DUST Search - Remove payouts for loosing

Piraten Hovnoret wrote:

The Infected One wrote:

So squads can just proto stomp the newer low SP/ISK players into the ground in every match until they all run out of money and have to run nothing but starter fits and have even less chance of ever winning and actually making money?
GTFO.

How to kill DUST in a month: Remove ISK payouts for the losing team.

There's already a large enough gap between "Vets" and newer players since matchmaking is broken as ****, and you actually want further segregation so that you can pub stomp with impunity and have a circle jerk with your buddies and tell each other how awesome you are for going 30+/1 in proto gear against a bunch of starter fits?

******* hell man, are you THAT unskilled of a player that you need yet ANOTHER advantage over the new players?

Do us all a favor before you post again and try to think from the perspective of a new player to this game. Would you stick around if you never got paid because your team never won due to a bunch of proto using players? **** no you wouldn't, and I wouldn't blame you.

Its a big enough challenge as it is for new players to get into this game and learn the mechanics/skill system, what weapon suits them when everything costs ISK per death, and on average 50000-200000 ISK for the skill books to even try out a weapon, module, or equipment without spending real money on AUR.

Do you think a new player will even think of spending real money on a game that they have no chance of advancing in because the older players with all the money and SP can just pull out top tier equipment and mop the floors with them, causing them to lose more ISK, and gain nothing for their effort in an inevitable losing battle?

I agree that there has to be some incentive to actually try and win each fight, but removing the ISK payout for the losing team is not the answer.

One could go the rout of removing proto suits and weapons from pub matches (Let people run proto modules and equipment if they want, they will have to sacrifice something due to the lower PG and CPU of the basic and adv suits), because its the ability of the proto suits to stack everything proto and adv that makes such a huge gap between player skill vs player gear.

Take that as a nay

Man this is not a personal insult to you or who ever.
However if I am unskilled or what my current walet is was not the topic that was intended.

If I in any way have insulted you on a personal level I apologise for that but you sir will not in your high horse manner get me to be quite just because you don't agree with this or anything else.

I liked your arguments in that post however leave the personal insults the high attitude and calm down.

Regards


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The Infected One Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 602	Posted - 2014.01.28 09:43:00 - [1] - Quote So squads can just proto stomp the newer low SP/ISK players into the ground in every match until they all run out of money and have to run nothing but starter fits and have even less chance of ever winning and actually making money? GTFO. How to kill DUST in a month: Remove ISK payouts for the losing team. There's already a large enough gap between "Vets" and newer players since matchmaking is broken as **, and you actually want further segregation so that you can pub stomp with impunity and have a circle jerk with your buddies and tell each other how awesome you are for going 30+/1 in proto gear against a bunch of starter fits? *** hell man, are you THAT unskilled of a player that you need yet ANOTHER advantage over the new players? Do us all a favor before you post again and try to think from the perspective of a new player to this game. Would you stick around if you never got paid because your team never won due to a bunch of proto using players? ** no you wouldn't, and I wouldn't blame you. Its a big enough challenge as it is for new players to get into this game and learn the mechanics/skill system, what weapon suits them when everything costs ISK per death, and on average 50000-200000 ISK for the skill books to even try out a weapon, module, or equipment without spending real money on AUR. Do you think a new player will even think of spending real money on a game that they have no chance of advancing in because the older players with all the money and SP can just pull out top tier equipment and mop the floors with them, causing them to lose more ISK, and gain nothing for their effort in an inevitable losing battle? I agree that there has to be some incentive to actually try and win each fight, but removing the ISK payout for the losing team is not the answer. One could go the rout of removing proto suits and weapons from pub matches (Let people run proto modules and equipment if they want, they will have to sacrifice something due to the lower PG and CPU of the basic and adv suits), because its the ability of the proto suits to stack everything proto and adv that makes such a huge gap between player skill vs player gear. "NEW MISSION! I want you to blow up... THE OCEAN!" BURN ALL THE BABIES!!!!
The Infected One Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 612	Posted - 2014.01.28 17:34:00 - [2] - Quote Piraten Hovnoret wrote: The Infected One wrote: So squads can just proto stomp the newer low SP/ISK players into the ground in every match until they all run out of money and have to run nothing but starter fits and have even less chance of ever winning and actually making money? GTFO. How to kill DUST in a month: Remove ISK payouts for the losing team. There's already a large enough gap between "Vets" and newer players since matchmaking is broken as **, and you actually want further segregation so that you can pub stomp with impunity and have a circle jerk with your buddies and tell each other how awesome you are for going 30+/1 in proto gear against a bunch of starter fits? *** hell man, are you THAT unskilled of a player that you need yet ANOTHER advantage over the new players? Do us all a favor before you post again and try to think from the perspective of a new player to this game. Would you stick around if you never got paid because your team never won due to a bunch of proto using players? ** no you wouldn't, and I wouldn't blame you. Its a big enough challenge as it is for new players to get into this game and learn the mechanics/skill system, what weapon suits them when everything costs ISK per death, and on average 50000-200000 ISK for the skill books to even try out a weapon, module, or equipment without spending real money on AUR. Do you think a new player will even think of spending real money on a game that they have no chance of advancing in because the older players with all the money and SP can just pull out top tier equipment and mop the floors with them, causing them to lose more ISK, and gain nothing for their effort in an inevitable losing battle? I agree that there has to be some incentive to actually try and win each fight, but removing the ISK payout for the losing team is not the answer. One could go the rout of removing proto suits and weapons from pub matches (Let people run proto modules and equipment if they want, they will have to sacrifice something due to the lower PG and CPU of the basic and adv suits), because its the ability of the proto suits to stack everything proto and adv that makes such a huge gap between player skill vs player gear. Take that as a nay Man this is not a personal insult to you or who ever. However if I am unskilled or what my current walet is was not the topic that was intended. If I in any way have insulted you on a personal level I apologise for that but you sir will not in your high horse manner get me to be quite just because you don't agree with this or anything else. I liked your arguments in that post however leave the personal insults the high attitude and calm down. Regards I apologize for the personal attack, it was out of line since you clearly weren't bragging about proto stomping the new guys. That point though (without the personal stuff) still stands, as this is what will result from removing the isk payout for lowing battles. Frustrated browsing of these forums late at night can cause me to be arrogant and rude when there is no need for it. "NEW MISSION! I want you to blow up... THE OCEAN!" BURN ALL THE BABIES!!!!