DUST Search - why make RR so good???

TheD1CK wrote:

Jenova Rhapsodos wrote:

TheD1CK wrote:

It's not at all cool that it takes so little investment to murder guys with over 20mil SP
whats the point in specialising in anything if a l4 weapon, no mods or prof.
can lay waste to a full proto fitting....

Do you realise what you're saying?
It's essentially: Why should new players be able to kill players that have more SP than them?

The Rail Rifle is very powerful but putting on a proto suit should not be godmode, and as Rei says skill is just as equal a factor as the level of equipment you are using.
I think it's reasonable enough to say you could kill a general proto assault/logi fit with any of the starter rifles, though the Assault Rifle is outclassed right now.

What you are over looking is, if this is the damage I can do with a 530,000 SP clone
So how the hell are we supposed to take on Pro RR.... full prof. and mods
The RR is too strong with no real downsides as anyone who has used it knows that
it excels at range and can decimate in CQC.....

And yes of course I am saying that a new player should not have that much of a crutch
when facing players that have earned their equipment......
but regardless of what a new player can do with it,
In a PRO suit with max stats in RR, that is Godmode and it shouldn't be left this way

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TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 440	Posted - 2014.01.26 18:33:00 - [1] - Quote More range... I have no problem with that but to give it more range, damage and ammo capacity is a joke I tried the RR on an alt a few days back It was the closest I have came to quitting this game l4 and I was going toe-toe with proto suits..... and killing them It's not at all cool that it takes so little investment to murder guys with over 20mil SP whats the point in specialising in anything if a l4 weapon, no mods or prof. can lay waste to a full proto fitting.... Minmatar Demolitions Specialist Plasma Cannon Pro
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1502	Posted - 2014.01.26 18:43:00 - [2] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: More range... I have no problem with that but to give it more range, damage and ammo capacity is a joke I tried the RR on an alt a few days back It was the closet I have came to quitting this game l4 and I was going toe-toe with proto suits..... and killing them It's not at all cool that it takes so little investment to murder guys with over 20mil SP whats the point in specialising in anything if a l4 weapon, no mods or prof. can lay waste to a full proto fitting.... Ive been murdering people on my alt aswell, but i was using a standard CR on it with no skills other then the ones needed to equip it on a starter Gallente fit and they had a team, still managed to do 38 kills on it...and atleast 6 were all proto's Just because they had proto gear does not make them pro-players, i had a guy ask me why i slaughtered him 5 times in a row while he had the same suit and weapon like me, he just dropped before he could fire. Proto gear on a bad player just makes them live a little longer, but it won't make them gods. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 442	Posted - 2014.01.26 18:48:00 - [3] - Quote yes but regardless of player skill, the RR kills any suit way too fast the slower RoF seems to make it easier to track targets.... and you can kill 3/4 guys before reloading... The CR is a fast killer yes, but people underestimate the fact that faster RoF Has pro's/con's .... once you open fire with CR you better be hitting targets because it needs a reload every few seconds Minmatar Demolitions Specialist Plasma Cannon Pro
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1503	Posted - 2014.01.26 18:57:00 - [4] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: yes but regardless of player skill, the RR kills any suit way too fast the slower RoF seems to make it easier to track targets.... and you can kill 3/4 guys before reloading... The CR is a fast killer yes, but people underestimate the fact that faster RoF Has pro's/con's .... once you open fire with CR you better be hitting targets because it needs a reload every few seconds I dunno, my CR has enough rounds in the clip to kill an ample supply of people without reloading aswell, i have both guns at 5/4/4 skills and if i play RR it doesnt play much diffrent then the CR or the way around. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10400	Posted - 2014.01.26 19:00:00 - [5] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: TheD1CK wrote: yes but regardless of player skill, the RR kills any suit way too fast the slower RoF seems to make it easier to track targets.... and you can kill 3/4 guys before reloading... The CR is a fast killer yes, but people underestimate the fact that faster RoF Has pro's/con's .... once you open fire with CR you better be hitting targets because it needs a reload every few seconds I dunno, my CR has enough rounds in the clip to kill an ample supply of people without reloading aswell, i have both guns at 5/4/4 skills and if i play RR it doesnt play much diffrent then the CR or the way around. People, people! They're both OP as ****, no need to argue Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1504	Posted - 2014.01.26 19:05:00 - [6] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: TheD1CK wrote: yes but regardless of player skill, the RR kills any suit way too fast the slower RoF seems to make it easier to track targets.... and you can kill 3/4 guys before reloading... The CR is a fast killer yes, but people underestimate the fact that faster RoF Has pro's/con's .... once you open fire with CR you better be hitting targets because it needs a reload every few seconds I dunno, my CR has enough rounds in the clip to kill an ample supply of people without reloading aswell, i have both guns at 5/4/4 skills and if i play RR it doesnt play much diffrent then the CR or the way around. People, people! They're both OP as ****, no need to argue Lemme get comfy with 1.8 scout suits, a cloak and a Breach Shotgun then talk about what gun is still OP :p Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 931	Posted - 2014.01.26 19:12:00 - [7] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: [quote=TheD1CK]yes but regardless of player skill, the RR kills any suit way too fast the slower RoF seems to make it easier to track targets.... and you can kill 3/4 guys before reloading... The CR is a fast killer yes, but people underestimate the fact that faster RoF Has pro's/con's .... once you open fire with CR you better be hitting targets because it needs a reload every few seconds I dunno, my CR has enough rounds in the clip to kill an ample supply of people without reloading aswell, i have both guns at 5/4/4 skills and if i play RR it doesnt play much diffrent then the CR or the way around. People, people! They're both OP as **, no need to argue Lemme get comfy with 1.8 scout suits, a cloak and a Breach Shotgun then talk about what gun is still OP :p[/quote O_o My Amarr brothers convert one by one The Sinwarden**
Artificer Ghost Learning Coalition College 1121	Posted - 2014.01.26 19:13:00 - [8] - Quote There's a couple things that would fix the RR, actually (if anyone wants to steal my ideas and make a thread, feel free, because I'm too lazy and all of my Feedbakc threads die. :/). Less Ammunition Capacity - DUST Railguns AND EVE Railguns both have a much smaller clip then a Blaster or Projectile (The laser is an exception. It only needs one charge, but the charge can fire off 10k shots before going away). It's also a breach weapon (Look at the Breach AR), so I think the Clip Size should MAYBE be reduced to ~40 (I think the Breach AR is something like 36...). More damage. I know, I know, bad idea. but note that it might be tough to kill someone if you only have 40 shots. This will make the weapon more ammo-conservative AFTER Ammo Cap is decreased AND the next change is applied. It's a breach weapon. It said so in the Dev Blog, it's the Caldari's Breach Assault Rifle. Make it one. RoF is too fast, as it is. I suggest making it charge up after every shot. This will lower the effectiveness in CQC (nothing can be good at everything), and balance the weapon's DPS. If this is implemented, we might want to decrease charge-up time by a fraction of a second, but either way, it's not a breach weapon as it is. Assault Variant will need less range, so it can't work too well at long range, and then ONLY for the Assault variant, remove the charge-time-after-every-shot, so it works like it does currently. This will turn it into what it's supposed to be. A Faster RoF, shorter range weapon. TL;DR - Less Ammunition Capacity Needs to charge up after every shot More damage Less range + less damage + no need to charge after every shot for Assault variant ~Art, CEO and DoE at Learning Coalition College, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition Maken Tosch = 1000th Like!
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1504	Posted - 2014.01.26 19:22:00 - [9] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: [quote=TheD1CK]yes but regardless of player skill, the RR kills any suit way too fast the slower RoF seems to make it easier to track targets.... and you can kill 3/4 guys before reloading... The CR is a fast killer yes, but people underestimate the fact that faster RoF Has pro's/con's .... once you open fire with CR you better be hitting targets because it needs a reload every few seconds I dunno, my CR has enough rounds in the clip to kill an ample supply of people without reloading aswell, i have both guns at 5/4/4 skills and if i play RR it doesnt play much diffrent then the CR or the way around. People, people! They're both OP as ****, no need to argue Lemme get comfy with 1.8 scout suits, a cloak and a Breach Shotgun then talk about what gun is still OP :p[/quote O_o My Amarr brothers convert one by one I think my 32m SP will allow me to spec into a couple of things, no worries :) Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Supra Advyn Nos Nothi 39	Posted - 2014.01.26 19:23:00 - [10] - Quote " why make RR so good??? " to make the game more interesting, dynamic, versatility. sure be boring if there where only five weapons to choose from with different stats, or, 100 weapons to choose from that all do about the same thing. But, wait, there's more... More weapon choices are coming in 1.8... Maybe one of them will be the next OP.... Oh no! It is just a viscous cycle is it not? aka Kahn

Nestil Seraphim Auxiliaries 110	Posted - 2014.01.26 19:43:00 - [11] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: More range... I have no problem with that but to give it more range, damage and ammo capacity is a joke I tried the RR on an alt a few days back It was the closest I have came to quitting this game l4 and I was going toe-toe with proto suits..... and killing them It's not at all cool that it takes so little investment to murder guys with over 20mil SP whats the point in specialising in anything if a l4 weapon, no mods or prof. can lay waste to a full proto fitting.... well actually i enjoy that i can now murder protos & heavies at range with my lvl 1 RR on open maps.... and that just with a wimpy scout suit. you have to fight fire with fire and that only with minimal SP investment of idk 18k SP? i love the CR also but somehow i lost my mojo on the non assault version... somehow i get shittier with some weapons after i use them for a certain amount of time O.o like the plasma cannon i could hit moving ppl at 40+ meters at ease with it but now i cant even hit guy standing still infront of me :/
RedZer0 MK1 The Generals General Tso's Alliance 166	Posted - 2014.01.26 19:43:00 - [12] - Quote Honestly they are both a bit much.
Darken-Soul Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 158	Posted - 2014.01.26 19:48:00 - [13] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: More range... I have no problem with that but to give it more range, damage and ammo capacity is a joke I tried the RR on an alt a few days back It was the closest I have came to quitting this game l4 and I was going toe-toe with proto suits..... and killing them It's not at all cool that it takes so little investment to murder guys with over 20mil SP whats the point in specialising in anything if a l4 weapon, no mods or prof. can lay waste to a full proto fitting.... CCP understands that the elite will buy boosters to stay competitive. They make damn sure there is a new FoTM that you need to skill into as quick as possible. I am the real Darken
Jenova Rhapsodos Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 137	Posted - 2014.01.26 19:54:00 - [14] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: It's not at all cool that it takes so little investment to murder guys with over 20mil SP whats the point in specialising in anything if a l4 weapon, no mods or prof. can lay waste to a full proto fitting.... Do you realise what you're saying? It's essentially: Why should new players be able to kill players that have more SP than them? The Rail Rifle is very powerful but putting on a proto suit should not be godmode, and as Rei says skill is just as equal a factor as the level of equipment you are using. I think it's reasonable enough to say you could kill a general proto assault/logi fit with any of the starter rifles, though the Assault Rifle is outclassed right now.
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Mocking Bird Inc. 661	Posted - 2014.01.26 20:26:00 - [15] - Quote In my opinion both are good and that isn't a problem. Pro means nothing in 1.7 Will use Bolt Pistol even if it's OP or bad.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 449	Posted - 2014.01.26 22:50:00 - [16] - Quote Jenova Rhapsodos wrote: TheD1CK wrote: It's not at all cool that it takes so little investment to murder guys with over 20mil SP whats the point in specialising in anything if a l4 weapon, no mods or prof. can lay waste to a full proto fitting.... Do you realise what you're saying? It's essentially: Why should new players be able to kill players that have more SP than them? The Rail Rifle is very powerful but putting on a proto suit should not be godmode, and as Rei says skill is just as equal a factor as the level of equipment you are using. I think it's reasonable enough to say you could kill a general proto assault/logi fit with any of the starter rifles, though the Assault Rifle is outclassed right now. What you are over looking is, if this is the damage I can do with a 530,000 SP clone So how the hell are we supposed to take on Pro RR.... full prof. and mods The RR is too strong with no real downsides as anyone who has used it knows that it excels at range and can decimate in CQC..... And yes of course I am saying that a new player should not have that much of a crutch when facing players that have earned their equipment...... but regardless of what a new player can do with it, In a PRO suit with max stats in RR, that is Godmode and it shouldn't be left this way Minmatar Demolitions Specialist Plasma Cannon Pro
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 14	Posted - 2014.01.26 22:57:00 - [17] - Quote charge up time is to short. maybe .50 or .75 would help
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 50	Posted - 2014.01.26 23:10:00 - [18] - Quote I left Dust for a month on vacation, I came back and all of a sudden people are only using two guns: rail and combat rifles. I'm sorry, but when you make a gun that makes the gun people have already spent millions of SP on look like ****, everyone is going to hate it.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1139	Posted - 2014.01.26 23:17:00 - [19] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Jenova Rhapsodos wrote: TheD1CK wrote: It's not at all cool that it takes so little investment to murder guys with over 20mil SP whats the point in specialising in anything if a l4 weapon, no mods or prof. can lay waste to a full proto fitting.... Do you realise what you're saying? It's essentially: Why should new players be able to kill players that have more SP than them? The Rail Rifle is very powerful but putting on a proto suit should not be godmode, and as Rei says skill is just as equal a factor as the level of equipment you are using. I think it's reasonable enough to say you could kill a general proto assault/logi fit with any of the starter rifles, though the Assault Rifle is outclassed right now. What you are over looking is, if this is the damage I can do with a 530,000 SP clone So how the hell are we supposed to take on Pro RR.... full prof. and mods The RR is too strong with no real downsides as anyone who has used it knows that it excels at range and can decimate in CQC..... And yes of course I am saying that a new player should not have that much of a crutch when facing players that have earned their equipment...... but regardless of what a new player can do with it, In a PRO suit with max stats in RR, that is Godmode and it shouldn't be left this way My scrub self with a fresh alt went 20 and 1, 19 and 2, 24 and 2, .......bah!!! RR?.......bah!!! CCP decided to dumb down the gameplay even further by making the new CR and RR good in CQC.....WTF???....yep!! I have played two hours and 45 minutes of build 1.7 on my main and even Uprising did not **** me off as much as 1.7 Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Scalesdini BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 287	Posted - 2014.01.26 23:18:00 - [20] - Quote Ever noticed how when CCP introduces new weapons, they're ridiculously OP? (see: LR, MD, Flaylock, CR, RR - hell, look at the stats on 1.8's sidearms and tell me with a straight face they're not going to be obscene) Ever notice that when these guns are first put in they tend to be top selling aurum items? I'll bet it even leads to more people buying boosters so they can spec into FOTM crap faster. Do you think this is coincidence? It's either incredibly bad development work, or done on purpose. You pick. Either way, if history holds up, CR and RR will be nerfed into oblivion sometime soon.



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