DUST Search - [Suggestion] Reactive/Ferroscale armor plates CPU/PG is TOO DAMN HIGH

Mordecai Sanguine wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

Reactive armor plates and Ferroscale armor plates have enough downsides without prohibitve CPU/PG requirements.

Ferroscale plates at the complex level give the same HP as a basic plate.
Reactive plates at the complex level give 2hp/s and half of that of a basic plate.

There is no reason for either of those to cost so much CPU/PG.
Infact you could argue they should require less CPU/PG than normal plates because:

Ferroscale:

With the speed penalties being reduced in the armor buff, ferroscale plates have less appeal.
Having them be a low CPU/PG option would be more appealing.

Reactive plates:

If you stack all four of a Gallente Assault low slots, it would still be worse than just a couple of plates and a couple of repairers.
Having lower CPU/PG would be more appealing.
However for reactive plates you could argue that it's an "all in one" package, so the CPU/PG should match normal plates.

tl;dr:
Ferroscale plates should require less CPU/PG than normal plates
Reactive plates should cost as much CPU/PG as normal plates

Totally agree exept for the Ferroscales.
Reactive are fine exept they should cost same PG/CPU and Speed penality than Regular Plates. (As you said.)
AND give 1/2/3hp/s instead of 1/1/2.

But ferroscale are fine too exept they should ALSO cost same PG/CPU than the 2 others plates.
AND Regular plates should have higher speed penality.

5% for Basic/ADV/PRO.
Like that Complex Plate will be more useful.
And stacking plates will have a REAL cost. (10% for 4 plates is not really a penality......)

Then Highly reduce the Cost of Armor Repair.
Should be : 1 PG for STD 4PG for ADV and 8 PG for PRO.

Armor Plates would be for Tanker More Hp but highly reduce movement.=> Amarr.
Reactives Would be for Self-Regen Mid-Life but repair Hp. => Gallente
Ferroscales would be for Low ehp but no speed penality (Strafing.) Low ehp but high speed => Calda/Minmatarr.

Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.

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Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5974	Posted - 2014.01.25 22:12:00 - [1] - Quote Reactive armor plates and Ferroscale armor plates have enough downsides without prohibitve CPU/PG requirements. Ferroscale plates at the complex level give the same HP as a basic plate. Reactive plates at the complex level give 2hp/s and half of that of a basic plate. There is no reason for either of those to cost so much CPU/PG. Infact you could argue they should require less CPU/PG than normal plates because: Ferroscale: With the speed penalties being reduced in the armor buff, ferroscale plates have less appeal. Having them be a low CPU/PG option would be more appealing. Reactive plates: If you stack all four of a Gallente Assault low slots, it would still be worse than just a couple of plates and a couple of repairers. Having lower CPU/PG would be more appealing. However for reactive plates you could argue that it's an "all in one" package, so the CPU/PG should match normal plates. tl;dr: Ferroscale plates should require less CPU/PG than normal plates Reactive plates should cost as much CPU/PG as normal plates Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8436	Posted - 2014.01.25 22:19:00 - [2] - Quote +1 Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 336	Posted - 2014.01.25 22:22:00 - [3] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Reactive armor plates and Ferroscale armor plates have enough downsides without prohibitve CPU/PG requirements. Ferroscale plates at the complex level give the same HP as a basic plate. Reactive plates at the complex level give 2hp/s and half of that of a basic plate. There is no reason for either of those to cost so much CPU/PG. Infact you could argue they should require less CPU/PG than normal plates because: Ferroscale: With the speed penalties being reduced in the armor buff, ferroscale plates have less appeal. Having them be a low CPU/PG option would be more appealing. Reactive plates: If you stack all four of a Gallente Assault low slots, it would still be worse than just a couple of plates and a couple of repairers. Having lower CPU/PG would be more appealing. However for reactive plates you could argue that it's an "all in one" package, so the CPU/PG should match normal plates. tl;dr: Ferroscale plates should require less CPU/PG than normal plates Reactive plates should cost as much CPU/PG as normal plates Totally agree exept for the Ferroscales. Reactive are fine exept they should cost same PG/CPU and Speed penality than Regular Plates. (As you said.) AND give 1/2/3hp/s instead of 1/1/2. But ferroscale are fine too exept they should ALSO cost same PG/CPU than the 2 others plates. AND Regular plates should have higher speed penality. 5% for Basic/ADV/PRO. Like that Complex Plate will be more useful. And stacking plates will have a REAL cost. (10% for 4 plates is not really a penality......) Then Highly reduce the Cost of Armor Repair. Should be : 1 PG for STD 4PG for ADV and 8 PG for PRO.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5977	Posted - 2014.01.25 22:29:00 - [4] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Reactive armor plates and Ferroscale armor plates have enough downsides without prohibitve CPU/PG requirements. Ferroscale plates at the complex level give the same HP as a basic plate. Reactive plates at the complex level give 2hp/s and half of that of a basic plate. There is no reason for either of those to cost so much CPU/PG. Infact you could argue they should require less CPU/PG than normal plates because: Ferroscale: With the speed penalties being reduced in the armor buff, ferroscale plates have less appeal. Having them be a low CPU/PG option would be more appealing. Reactive plates: If you stack all four of a Gallente Assault low slots, it would still be worse than just a couple of plates and a couple of repairers. Having lower CPU/PG would be more appealing. However for reactive plates you could argue that it's an "all in one" package, so the CPU/PG should match normal plates. tl;dr: Ferroscale plates should require less CPU/PG than normal plates Reactive plates should cost as much CPU/PG as normal plates Totally agree exept for the Ferroscales. Reactive are fine exept they should cost same PG/CPU and Speed penality than Regular Plates. (As you said.) AND give 1/2/3hp/s instead of 1/1/2. But ferroscale are fine too exept they should ALSO cost same PG/CPU than the 2 others plates. AND Regular plates should have higher speed penality. 5% for Basic/ADV/PRO. Like that Complex Plate will be more useful. And stacking plates will have a REAL cost. (10% for 4 plates is not really a penality......) Then Highly reduce the Cost of Armor Repair. Should be : 1 PG for STD 4PG for ADV and 8 PG for PRO. Armor Plates would be for Tanker More Hp but highly reduce movement.=> Amarr. Reactives Would be for Self-Regen Mid-Life but repair Hp. => Gallente Ferroscales would be for Low ehp but no speed penality (Strafing.) Low ehp but high speed => Calda/Minmatarr. Sounds ok. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5987	Posted - 2014.01.26 04:51:00 - [5] - Quote meow Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Jackof All-Trades The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 381	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:49:00 - [6] - Quote Yup. 4 complex ferroscale plates cost more pg/cpu, have no innate repairing, have less health, and even are SLOWER than 2 complex plates, one complex kinetic catalyser, and a complex rep. I run this fit on my Gallente scout, it's ridiculous - there's no point in ferroscales. As for reactives, I used to put a plate, reactive, and rep, before I just started putting two plates and a single complex rep. Again, better in every sense of the phrase, even in ISK cost. "Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace \ Omni-Specialist / Focus: Gallente
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 222	Posted - 2014.01.26 06:24:00 - [7] - Quote Dammit, I was prepping a Ferroscale/Reactive plate not being right thread. Might as well post it here. Not thread jacking just inputting my 2 cents. Reactive Plates 2x Reactive plates should provide similar performance to an equivalent Plate/Repairer set at a slightly increased cpu/pg cost. e.g. 80% of the benefit at the same cost: Complex Reactive Plate -- 66hp, -3% m/s, 3hp/s 45CPU, 14PG Enhanced Reactive Plate -- 55hp -2% m/s, 2hp/s 33CPU, 7PG Basic Reactive Plate -- 40hp -1% m/s, 1hp/s 18CPU, 1PG -OR- should provide slightly worse performance to an equivalent Plate/Repairer set at the same approximate cpu/pg cost. e.g. same benefit at 120% the cost this route looks like what was originally planned but underwent last minute tweaks for the worse: Complex Reactive Plate -- 55hp, -2% m/s, 2hp/s 36CPU, 12PG Enhanced Reactive Plate -- 44hp -1% m/s, 1hp/s 28CPU, 7PG Basic Reactive Plate -- 33hp -0% m/s, 1hp/s 15CPU, 1PG Require BOTH Armor Plating and Armor Repair Systems to fit. Have all applicable bonuses apply (armor repair sys, plating, role bonus) not just Armor Plating apply to them example fits wrote: 1x Complex Rep + 1x Complex Plate -- 135hp, -5%m/s, 5hp/s, 75CPU, 23PG 2x Complex Reactives(Currently) ---- 120hp, -4m/s, 4hp/s, 72CPU, 32PG (worse performance, worse fitting cost) 2x Complex Reactives(Example A) -- 132hp, -6%m/s, 6hp/s, 90CPU, 28PG (similar performance, worse fitting cost) 2x Complex Reactives(Example B) -- 110hp, -4%m/s, 4hp/s, 72CPU, 24PG (worse performance, similar fitting cost) 1x Enhanced Rep + 1x Enhanced Plate -- 110hp, -3%m/s, 3hp/s, 55CPU, 11PG 2x Enhanced Reactives(Currently) ---- 80hp, -2m/s, 2hp/s, 48CPU, 18PG (worse performance, worse fitting cost) 2x Enhanced Reactives(Example A) -- 110hp, -4%m/s, 4hp/s, 72CPU, 24PG (similar performance, worse fitting cost) 2x Enhanced Reactives(Example B) -- 88hp, -2%m/s, 2hp/s, 56CPU, 14PG (worse performance, similar fitting cost) 1x Basic Rep + 1x Basic Plate -- 85hp, -2%m/s, 2hp/s, 30CPU, 2PG 2x Basic Reactives(Currently) ---- 50hp, +/-0m/s, 2hp/s, 20CPU, 8PG (worse performance, worse fitting cost) 2x Basic Reactives(Example A) -- 80hp, -2%m/s, 2hp/s, 36CPU, 2PG (similar performance, worse fitting cost) 2x Basic Reactives(Example B) -- 66hp, +/-0%m/s, 2hp/s, 30CPU, 2PG (worse performance, similar fitting cost) The reactive plates we have now are worse performing with worse fitting costs. They shouldn't outperform an individual Armor Rep and Plate set but should provide viable alternate fitting options. Through comparisons PG usage of Std/Adv reactive plates should be reduced by 3kW/2kW and CPU usage reduced by 5gF/4gF; Hp should be increased for Std/Adv reactive plates by 8hp/4hp Ferroscale plates As they are, they just defy logic. lighter material(less armor) costs more cpu/pg than regular plates? So why not instead... Complex Ferroscale Plate -- 70hp, -2% m/s, 23CPU, 10PG Enhanced Ferroscale Plate -- 55hp -1% m/s, 15CPU, 6PG Basic Ferroscale Plate -- 40hp +/-0% m/s, 7CPU, 1PG for reference: wrote: Complex Reactive Plate -- 60hp, -1% m/s, 2hp/s 36CPU, 16PG Enhanced Reactive Plate -- 40hp, -1% m/s, 1hp/s 24CPU, 9PG Basic Reactive Plate -- 25hp, +/-0% m/s, 1hp/s 10CPU, 4PG Complex Armor Plate -- 135hp, -5% m/s, 30CPU, 12PG Enhanced Armor Plate -- 110hp -3% m/s, 20CPU, 6PG Basic Armor Plate -- 85hp -2% m/s, 10CPU, 1PG Complex Armor Repairer -- 5 hp/s, 45CPU, 11PG Enhanced Armor Repairer -- 3 hp/s, 35CPU, 5PG Basic Armor Repairer-- 2 hp/s, 20CPU, 1PG Complex Ferroscale Plate -- 75hp, +/-0% m/s, 39CPU, 14PG Enhanced Ferroscale Plate -- 50hp +/-0% m/s, 27CPU, 7PG Basic Ferroscale Plate -- 35hp +/-0% m/s, 15CPU, 2PG
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 6006	Posted - 2014.01.26 17:09:00 - [8] - Quote meow Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Absoliav Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 128	Posted - 2014.01.26 17:27:00 - [9] - Quote I would prefer that they have higher stats make them more useful/appealing, but if their stats stood the same I can agree with them having lower fitting requirements, but if their fitting stats remain the same they "need" a performance buff, especially Reactives.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 1210	Posted - 2014.01.26 21:14:00 - [10] - Quote Good points cat Fun > Realism

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 267	Posted - 2014.01.26 21:16:00 - [11] - Quote lower the cpu/pg costs of shield extenders as well an i will agree 100% with you. (i already do, i just want to see something about it on this thread ) Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives. https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 6021	Posted - 2014.01.26 21:39:00 - [12] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: lower the cpu/pg costs of shield extenders as well an i will agree 100% with you. (i already do, i just want to see something about it on this thread ) Well considering that even shield extenders > Ferroscale/reactive plates :P You have to remember that half of the slots are dedicated to repairs, you don't just stack armor plates, that only works if you want to defend a specific area for the entire match. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1728	Posted - 2014.01.26 21:47:00 - [13] - Quote Even with this reactives won't be at the sweet spot. Since a complex plate would be the hybrid of a repairer and a basic plate yet they are at complex price using a basic plate and a repairer would be better. Also shield repair skill doesn't affect reactives. They should be buffed slightly in HP and repair but cost slightly more than what your proposing, same with ferroscales except they should cost what your proposing. Armor and Shields are not the same!
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 10367	Posted - 2014.04.09 21:40:00 - [14] - Quote Fix it! Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+


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