DUST Search - Shield Extenders

Logi Bro wrote:

Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:

Whilst we're at it, I would like to see the lower tier shield extenders be somewhat decent.

While I'm here, I figure I might as well make a corresponding thread. Take a look at my armor plates thread here.

So our shield extenders have always been slightly iffy. People find a lot of use for the complex extenders, but very little use for the basic, or even enhanced ones. Take a look at the line-up.

STD: 22 HP, 3% depleted shield recharge delay penalty, 10/3 CPU/PG
ADV: 33 HP, 4% depleted shield recharge delay penalty, 36/6 CPU/PG
PRO: 66 HP, 7% depleted shield recharge delay penalty, 54/11 CPU/PG

Practically everything that I see here is wrong. Huge PG costs, overreaching penalties, and wildly fluctuating values. This is basically the opposite problem that armor plates have, the complex is the only useful module, while the others are more or less useless.

To my knowledge (and I admit my EvE knowledge is low) shield based modules tend to have high CPU costs, and low PG costs, and armor modules vice versa. So why do the basic and enhanced shield extenders take more CPU AND PG than the basic and enhanced armor modules? Even the complex shield extender only uses one less PG than the complex armor plate, with ~75% more CPU costs. That should be fixed above all else. My personal thoughts would be:

STD: 20/1 CPU/PG
ADV: 40/3 CPU/PG
PRO: 60/6 CPU/PG

More CPU usage, less PG usage.

The penalties given to the modules are rather high, considering shield modules spent the longest time without the penalty and were fine, so a bit of a reduction might be in order. Just line them up with armor module penalties.

STD: 2% depleted shield recharge delay penalty
ADV: 3% depleted shield recharge delay penalty
PRO: 5% depleted shield recharge delay penalty

Wildly fluctuating values. You get a tiny buffer to begin with, then you get 50% more, and then 100% more after that. You end up with 300% of the values you began with. Let's change that a bit.

STD: 30 HP --> 33 w/maxed skills
ADV: 50 HP --> 55 w/maxed skills
PRO: 70 HP --> 77 w/maxed skills

And before anyone says, "OMG you're buffing complex shield extenders!" You should realize there is only a 5 HP difference between my proposed values and the current ones.

So compiling that:

STD: 30 HP, 2% depleted shield recharge delay penalty, 20/1 CPU/PG
ADV: 50 HP, 3% depleted shield recharge delay penalty, 40/3 CPU/PG
PRO: 70 HP, 5% depleted shield recharge delay penalty, 60/6 CPU/PG

So the CPU has been increased slightly, PG has been cut 50%, HP values have risen slightly(most notable at ADV tier), and the penalties are less damaging. Mostly a buff, with some nerf mixed in.

TLDR; I don't really have a tldr here, just read my compilation of stats right above this line, and you should be good.


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BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1706	Posted - 2014.01.25 21:27:00 - [1] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Whilst we're at it, I would like to see the lower tier shield extenders be somewhat decent. While I'm here, I figure I might as well make a corresponding thread. Take a look at my armor plates thread here. So our shield extenders have always been slightly iffy. People find a lot of use for the complex extenders, but very little use for the basic, or even enhanced ones. Take a look at the line-up. STD: 22 HP, 3% depleted shield recharge delay penalty, 10/3 CPU/PG ADV: 33 HP, 4% depleted shield recharge delay penalty, 36/6 CPU/PG PRO: 66 HP, 7% depleted shield recharge delay penalty, 54/11 CPU/PG Practically everything that I see here is wrong. Huge PG costs, overreaching penalties, and wildly fluctuating values. This is basically the opposite problem that armor plates have, the complex is the only useful module, while the others are more or less useless. To my knowledge (and I admit my EvE knowledge is low) shield based modules tend to have high CPU costs, and low PG costs, and armor modules vice versa. So why do the basic and enhanced shield extenders take more CPU AND PG than the basic and enhanced armor modules? Even the complex shield extender only uses one less PG than the complex armor plate, with ~75% more CPU costs. That should be fixed above all else. My personal thoughts would be: STD: 20/1 CPU/PG ADV: 40/3 CPU/PG PRO: 60/6 CPU/PG More CPU usage, less PG usage. The penalties given to the modules are rather high, considering shield modules spent the longest time without the penalty and were fine, so a bit of a reduction might be in order. Just line them up with armor module penalties. STD: 2% depleted shield recharge delay penalty ADV: 3% depleted shield recharge delay penalty PRO: 5% depleted shield recharge delay penalty Wildly fluctuating values. You get a tiny buffer to begin with, then you get 50% more, and then 100% more after that. You end up with 300% of the values you began with. Let's change that a bit. STD: 30 HP --> 33 w/maxed skills ADV: 50 HP --> 55 w/maxed skills PRO: 70 HP --> 77 w/maxed skills And before anyone says, "OMG you're buffing complex shield extenders!" You should realize there is only a 5 HP difference between my proposed values and the current ones. So compiling that: STD: 30 HP, 2% depleted shield recharge delay penalty, 20/1 CPU/PG ADV: 50 HP, 3% depleted shield recharge delay penalty, 40/3 CPU/PG PRO: 70 HP, 5% depleted shield recharge delay penalty, 60/6 CPU/PG So the CPU has been increased slightly, PG has been cut 50%, HP values have risen slightly(most notable at ADV tier), and the penalties are less damaging. Mostly a buff, with some nerf mixed in. TLDR; I don't really have a tldr here, just read my compilation of stats right above this line, and you should be good. I think the penalty to shields should be to both delays, it should be something felt constantly not sometimes. When I armor tank I don't get slow sometimes I am slow all the time. Armor and Shields are not the same!