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Christiphoros von Poe
CONCORD Ground Ops.
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Posted - 2014.01.25 20:07:00 -
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It has become one of my favorite guns to use. I have only seen people complain about the standard Rail Rifle. What are your thoughts on the assault Rail Rifle (directed to the people who think the regular Rail Rifle is OP)
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Smooth Assassin
Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME
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Posted - 2014.01.25 20:08:00 -
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I guess so, i mean when people say rail rifle they mean every rail rifle and the assault rail rifle is a rail rifle...
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
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Posted - 2014.01.25 20:10:00 -
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Probably. It still has higher range than AR, so DPS should be slightly lower. But it shouldn't be hit as hard with the nerfhammer, since assault variants are supposed to be effective in CQC.
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Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2014.01.25 20:12:00 -
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no dont think anythings wrong with anything other than the tactical variant but then i dont specc into fotm so who knows rr users? well?
i do think the omni ranged tac rr needs its cqc nerfed into the ground though its a no skill weapon
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.25 20:18:00 -
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Yes. Currently, it seems CCP does not want variants to be as affective as the original they mimic. As such the TAR was nerfed when 1.7 passed, as it was thought to competitive compared to the scrambler. Rather unfortunate.
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Logistic Shot
Rough Riders.. Primus Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.25 20:18:00 -
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People complains about everything all must be nerfed then all must be buffed is a loop. But don't worry CCP doesn't give a s,hit about people whining ;), so keep shooting that rifle soldier. |
Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.01.25 20:21:00 -
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Of all of the RR variants, I prefer the assault one.
I'm just an iron sights kind of guy in real life and in video games -- it simply suits my eye.
IMO, much of the QQ you read about the RR is simply FoTM armor tankers who don't like weapons that call into question their spot as king of the hill. |
Faunher
Ivory Vanguard
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Posted - 2014.01.25 20:24:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Of all of the RR variants, I prefer the assault one.
I'm just an iron sights kind of guy in real life and in video games -- it simply suits my eye.
IMO, much of the QQ you read about the RR is simply FoTM armor tankers who don't like weapons that call into question their spot as king of the hill. No, most of the QQ is from people sick and tired of 330 DPS rifles that can effectively kill around 70 meters away. |
HYENAKILLER X
AGGRESSIVE TYPE
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Posted - 2014.01.25 20:27:00 -
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I seriously think the rifle balance right now is amazing. Ar got range nerf but there literally is no reason to complain about the rifles.
Lol, if everyone wasnt to busy hiding from tanks people would see that.
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Faunher
Ivory Vanguard
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Posted - 2014.01.25 20:28:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:I seriously think the rifle balance right now is amazing. Ar got range nerf but there literally is no reason to complain about the rifles.
Lol, if everyone wasnt to busy hiding from tanks people would see that. I'm just kinda mad at how fast people die, I was to used to the high ttk from previous builds. |
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Teilka Darkmist
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Posted - 2014.01.25 20:34:00 -
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You can probably find people who want to nerf anything.
When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
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Logistic Shot
Rough Riders.. Primus Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.25 20:39:00 -
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Teilka Darkmist wrote:You can probably find people who want to nerf anything.
Of course they do but is like they wanted to nerf the gmae itself if you checks older topics.
as i say before is not like players should worry about that CCP decides what will be change or not.
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Espartoi
Zero-Day Attack Zero-Day
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Posted - 2014.01.25 20:40:00 -
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Logistic Shot wrote:Teilka Darkmist wrote:You can probably find people who want to nerf anything. Of course they do but is like they wanted to nerf the gmae itself if you checks older topics. as i say before is not like players should worry about that CCP decides what will be change or not.
And i agreed with myself and Teilka Darkmist. Have another cookie.
You think that everything must be like you want and all is unfair? the answer is simple as Deal with it or GTFO.
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Michael Arck
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu
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Posted - 2014.01.25 20:47:00 -
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Logistic Shot wrote:People complains about everything all must be nerfed then all must be buffed is a loop. But don't worry CCP doesn't give a s,hit about people whining ;), so keep shooting that rifle soldier.
I really hope not. It's one of things I respect about CCP. Instead of other devs who crumble to the cries and woes of players who demand nerfs only to screw up the game and change the dynamics of it, at times it seems CCP doesn't just jump and run to do the bidding of the community's finger snapping.
Cause if it was up to this community, I would have seriously stopped playing this game long time ago cause folks will ruin it just for their own personal gain.
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Teilka Darkmist
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Posted - 2014.01.25 20:53:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Logistic Shot wrote:People complains about everything all must be nerfed then all must be buffed is a loop. But don't worry CCP doesn't give a s,hit about people whining ;), so keep shooting that rifle soldier. I really hope not. It's one of things I respect about CCP. Instead of other devs who crumble to the cries and woes of players who demand nerfs only to screw up the game and change the dynamics of it, at times it seems CCP doesn't just jump and run to do the bidding of the community's finger snapping. They asses the situation and see if its "working as intended" or people are just butthurt because they refuse to adapt to the brutality of New Eden Cause if it was up to this community, Dust 514 would be very different and more than likely it would be an absolute mess, forcing me to ditch a game that I enjoy immensely. I love the challenges of New Eden and how it morphs. You gotta swim or sink to the bottom. I like that.
I always got the impression that devs on other games were exactly the opposite, barely listening to the players at all. CCP have a track record of listening to players and considering their input. What other games have anything like the CSM (or what the CPM will be like when it's actually elected by the players)?
When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
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Espartoi
Zero-Day Attack Zero-Day
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Posted - 2014.01.25 20:59:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Logistic Shot wrote:People complains about everything all must be nerfed then all must be buffed is a loop. But don't worry CCP doesn't give a s,hit about people whining ;), so keep shooting that rifle soldier. I really hope not. It's one of things I respect about CCP. Instead of other devs who crumble to the cries and woes of players who demand nerfs only to screw up the game and change the dynamics of it, at times it seems CCP doesn't just jump and run to do the bidding of the community's finger snapping. They asses the situation and see if its "working as intended" or people are just butthurt because they refuse to adapt to the brutality of New Eden Cause if it was up to this community, Dust 514 would be very different and more than likely it would be an absolute mess, forcing me to ditch a game that I enjoy immensely. I love the challenges of New Eden and how it morphs. You gotta swim or sink to the bottom. I like that.
When devs focus on their products is how things work thats why Dark Souls is a great game because From Software is not changing things over and over only for the people who are whining. When you work as a developer you must choce between of what you want to sell and what the others want.
I would like to see more stuff like mm feel that you can interac more with the eve players becuase you se that pretty OBs but is like only that, more things like in the video where the mercs was talking to an eden guy that looks like commander sheppard things like that. Or a siege mode for the PC i remember in unreal 3 in siege mode you have special capture point why not put something of that. This is unreal engine i want unreal stuff.
You think that everything must be like you want and all is unfair? the answer is simple as Deal with it or GTFO.
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Michael Arck
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu
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Posted - 2014.01.25 21:02:00 -
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Teilka Darkmist wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Logistic Shot wrote:People complains about everything all must be nerfed then all must be buffed is a loop. But don't worry CCP doesn't give a s,hit about people whining ;), so keep shooting that rifle soldier. I really hope not. It's one of things I respect about CCP. Instead of other devs who crumble to the cries and woes of players who demand nerfs only to screw up the game and change the dynamics of it, at times it seems CCP doesn't just jump and run to do the bidding of the community's finger snapping. They asses the situation and see if its "working as intended" or people are just butthurt because they refuse to adapt to the brutality of New Eden Cause if it was up to this community, Dust 514 would be very different and more than likely it would be an absolute mess, forcing me to ditch a game that I enjoy immensely. I love the challenges of New Eden and how it morphs. You gotta swim or sink to the bottom. I like that. I always got the impression that devs on other games were exactly the opposite, barely listening to the players at all. CCP have a track record of listening to players and considering their input. What other games have anything like the CSM (or what the CPM will be like when it's actually elected by the players)?
Well we have two different experiences and perspectives.
Since EVE released, before Dust 514, I would keep up with the news on EVE. The lore for one, fascinated me. Also the game itself because I never heard of a recent game that was brutal to new and old players. If you did something stupid in the game and went to CCP about it for a refund of something, they investigated and then basically would say, "hey that's dumb, you should be fully capable of investigating the situation and coming to a informed conclusion". Of course I'm paraphrasing.
But when I read that, I was highly impressed. I have read many articles where gamers complained about any and everything. The devs responded by changing it, mostly every time. They didn't look at the problem. They didn't do test runs. They just saw their cash cows complaining and they gave them more grass to chew on to keep them happy. One game I can think of off the top of my head is Mass Effect. I think they should have never changed the ending and they almost didn't. But they crumbled under the weight of crying babies who wanted things their way.
CCP is unorthodox in their approach. While they do listen to feedback, play some pub matches and read the forums, they also just don't jump the gun on any nerf request. They actually take some time and asses the situation. I can trust that more than most developing companies who just change the game just because a petition went out on their forums and change.org
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Espartoi
Zero-Day Attack Zero-Day
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Posted - 2014.01.25 21:22:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Teilka Darkmist wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Logistic Shot wrote:People complains about everything all must be nerfed then all must be buffed is a loop. But don't worry CCP doesn't give a s,hit about people whining ;), so keep shooting that rifle soldier. I really hope not. It's one of things I respect about CCP. Instead of other devs who crumble to the cries and woes of players who demand nerfs only to screw up the game and change the dynamics of it, at times it seems CCP doesn't just jump and run to do the bidding of the community's finger snapping. They asses the situation and see if its "working as intended" or people are just butthurt because they refuse to adapt to the brutality of New Eden Cause if it was up to this community, Dust 514 would be very different and more than likely it would be an absolute mess, forcing me to ditch a game that I enjoy immensely. I love the challenges of New Eden and how it morphs. You gotta swim or sink to the bottom. I like that. I always got the impression that devs on other games were exactly the opposite, barely listening to the players at all. CCP have a track record of listening to players and considering their input. What other games have anything like the CSM (or what the CPM will be like when it's actually elected by the players)? Well we have two different experiences and perspectives. Since EVE released, before Dust 514, I would keep up with the news on EVE. The lore for one, fascinated me. Also the game itself because I never heard of a recent game that was brutal to new and old players. If you did something stupid in the game and went to CCP about it for a refund of something, they investigated and then basically would say, "hey that's dumb, you should be fully capable of investigating the situation and coming to a informed conclusion". Of course I'm paraphrasing. But when I read that, I was highly impressed. I have read many articles where gamers complained about any and everything. The devs responded by changing it, mostly every time. They didn't look at the problem. They didn't do test runs. They just saw their cash cows complaining and they gave them more grass to chew on to keep them happy. One game I can think of off the top of my head is Mass Effect. I think they should have never changed the ending and they almost didn't. But they crumbled under the weight of crying babies who wanted things their way. CCP is unorthodox in their approach. While they do listen to feedback, play some pub matches and read the forums, they also just don't jump the gun on any nerf request. They actually take some time and asses the situation. I can trust that more than most developing companies who just change the game just because a petition went out on their forums and change.org
I like the mass effect ending it doesn't need a long videos explaining of what is about. Besides If sheppard dies at the end is th way of the hero story.
I remember that when i star to play you start with 0 isk and sp now you get a bonus and a 3 step things that give players equipment i remember that when i ended the academy i was throw into a mass murder battlefield that was amazing you get melted by laser guys smashed by thanks etc it is like it should be a real battlefield "adapt or die" and the concept that allows to customize the merc is the issue that some players claim thats make matches unbalanced when i face some several's giantdads i don't say that is from software fault is the players decision.
If i remember well in the vegas video the devs talk about to make more tactic the capture points is an idea to be worked but is there.
Am working as a dev for a flight simulation comany and they cry about they wants things pretty and stuff and i say GTFO you are not doing the app.
Edited: ps: I was forgotten players are still claiming about a broken matchmaking system that doesn't exist is not part of the concept of the game.
You think that everything must be like you want and all is unfair? the answer is simple as Deal with it or GTFO.
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kneegrow face
SAM-MIK
22
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Posted - 2014.01.25 21:46:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Of all of the RR variants, I prefer the assault one.
I'm just an iron sights kind of guy in real life and in video games -- it simply suits my eye.
IMO, much of the QQ you read about the RR is simply FoTM armor tankers who don't like weapons that call into question their spot as king of the hill.
yep just bunch of armor stacking scrubs QQing because the rail eats armor and thats a good thing i can't tell you how many armor/complex damage stacking scrubs i killed because they think they can sit on a bunch of hives or have three logi's on them. it's funny bring in a few weapons that it impossible to sit on hives or be back packed by a logi and QQing starts, well i'm a caldari and i think the scrambler rifle is way too OP and it needs to be nerfed!!!!!
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
1706
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Posted - 2014.01.25 21:50:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Probably. It still has higher range than AR, so DPS should be slightly lower. But it shouldn't be hit as hard with the nerfhammer, since assault variants are supposed to be effective in CQC.
It's range should be reduced if that's the case.
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Lazy Scumbag
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
115
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Posted - 2014.01.26 08:24:00 -
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Logistic Shot wrote:People complains about everything all must be nerfed then all must be buffed is a loop. But don't worry CCP doesn't give a s,hit about people whining ;), so keep shooting that rifle soldier.
CCP doesn't hit softly with the nerf bat either. If the rail rifle gets 'adjusted' it will be useless. But I would not disapprove. It is too effective, hits like an smg at max draw distance. One weapon should not have had this big an effect on the game. Now half of the players are using them judging by the killboard. |
Lynn Beck
Granite Mercenary Division Top Men.
590
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Posted - 2014.01.26 08:31:00 -
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Faunher wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:Of all of the RR variants, I prefer the assault one.
I'm just an iron sights kind of guy in real life and in video games -- it simply suits my eye.
IMO, much of the QQ you read about the RR is simply FoTM armor tankers who don't like weapons that call into question their spot as king of the hill. No, most of the QQ is from people sick and tired of 330 DPS rifles that can effectively kill around 70 meters away. Doyou have any idea how few of us would be complaining if RR had 330DPS? It makes me grin just thinkin about it. Currently RR dps is 428. (RoF is 467 right? Damage is 55) If you made Rof 400 it woukd be PERFECT. At 330 dps, which is still better than a mass edriver.
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Faunher
Ivory Vanguard
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Posted - 2014.01.27 03:35:00 -
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Lynn Beck wrote:Faunher wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:Of all of the RR variants, I prefer the assault one.
I'm just an iron sights kind of guy in real life and in video games -- it simply suits my eye.
IMO, much of the QQ you read about the RR is simply FoTM armor tankers who don't like weapons that call into question their spot as king of the hill. No, most of the QQ is from people sick and tired of 330 DPS rifles that can effectively kill around 70 meters away. Doyou have any idea how few of us would be complaining if RR had 330DPS? It makes me grin just thinkin about it. Currently RR dps is 428. (RoF is 467 right? Damage is 55) If you made Rof 400 it woukd be PERFECT. At 330 dps, which is still better than a mass edriver. With the standard RR, factoring in the shots that are missed, I came up with 330 DPS. Now that I think of it though that was a bit too generous. 330 still seems a bit too high for me.
Another problem I have with the RR is that it is too damn effective at cqc. It seems that hip firing makes the shots more accurate. |
devonus durga
P.L.A.N. B
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Posted - 2014.01.27 04:10:00 -
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Can't really factor for misses, however for a numerical break down of the effectiveness of standard Ar vs RR see here
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=138055
I have not done the assault variant, and I should, I know it has a higher DPS at the advance level then the gek. Main problem is that the Ar outputs as much damage as an AR or more so (the assault variant), when an AR only has half the range. Ar should out DPS all other rifles just BC they have to be so close. Similar reasoning as to why the shotgun hits so hard.
Now how would everyone feel about a shotgun with a ange of 80 meters eh? Closer=more damage, just BC there is additional risk. The rail rifle should have a slightly lower DPS, not much, and its cqc ability needs to be dropped a little.
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