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Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1684	Posted - 2014.01.25 12:11:00 - [1] - Quote See, I support a full infantry respec. I support it due to how much is being changed, not because of things being added. Unlike mainline infantry on here, I know it's important to have 100% of your SP be put towards your chosen role, in my case tanking. But infantry didn't support a full respec for us tankers. I don't think we'll ever know why. See, we had our role, and that was as a pilot, whether it was a skilled-up LAV, HAV, DS, or a combination of them. We put our SP into them, filled up the trees, and then finally finished them. But we had a problem that wasn't really a problem: what do we do with all this unused SP? Answer? Go infantry. It's more versatile, and a hell of a lot cheaper than tanking all the time. There's roles to fill, and suits to pick, and weapons to choose. Now CCP is basically doing to infantry what they've already done to tanks. They're changing most things. Some of those things being changed will probably be the rail and combat rifles. Those rifles at STD level shred my ADV Gal Logi, up close in the case of the combat rifle, and far away in the case of the rail rifle. I support a nerf to those. They're insanely powerful at STD level, and only get better as you advance in tiers. Bonuses are being changed for all races and types of suits, plus all the equipment, sans the injectors. More commando / sentinel and light / scout suits are being added. All of their bonuses are changing. The bonuses on the assault and logi suits are being changed. Equipment is getting a concurrent nerf, which is something I expected, and am surprised to see most of the infantry on here complaining about it. I'm a tanker and I support a full infantry respec. That's more than I can say for most of the forums when vehicles were on the chopping block. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Echoist Fenrir's Wolves 138	Posted - 2014.01.25 12:17:00 - [2] - Quote If they were going to do a respec I'd say only the dropsuit command skills should be refunded, no reason to respec the weapons. Noobasaures: "Rawr" Laser Rifle Specialist, Rail Rifles... Lol fail CCP Remnant, savior of the laser rifle!!!
Yoma Carrim Situation Normal all fraked up 313	Posted - 2014.01.25 12:18:00 - [3] - Quote I could support a dropsuit operation and weapon operation respect but leave my core skills alone damn it they're right where I want them to be. On a more serious note the only thing being added to dropsuit core operations is probably the cloaking device operating skill, so no need for a respect there. When you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck Logi, Tanker, Heavy
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 358	Posted - 2014.01.25 12:24:00 - [4] - Quote I think the general consensus is: Dropsuit Command: Going to happen, 95% sure. Full racial parity requires a respec. It isn't a new weapon or new vehicle but an entirely different way of playing the game. Suits effect every single aspect in the game. Dropsuit Upgrades: Not sure, maybe, possibly. Regardless of what Suit you run, you are going to want to put points into having more Armor and more Shields. Giving a refund here would be pointless as everyone is pretty much going to throw the point right back in the same place. Weaponry: Higher chance than Dropsuit Upgrades. By proxy of the Assault changes, Weaponry has changed drastically and in a way that makes something almost non-viable. I am fairly certain we will be seeing lower damage on all weapons later on while the Assault bonuses make up for the lose. This means that not using a Caldari weapon as a Caldari Assault or not using a Minmatar weapon as a Minmatar Assault is pretty much going to be pointless, even if the weapons are not nerfed to make up for the bonuses. Of course, if you are going to respec two of the three infantry trees, might as well do the other. It will be interesting to see.
Severance Pay Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 1016	Posted - 2014.01.25 12:25:00 - [5] - Quote Infantry didn't support a respec for tankers because infantry fought for equal rights to respecs. When they cry for respecs they cry for everyone. Also, we already got our respecs. At this point, they are so unnecessary because since everything is under continuous rebalance and updates what you want will change a week after a respec is approved. Also, it's not like the skill points are lost or you can simply skill into it later. People are just so impatient that they don't want to always have to work their way back up. Everyone wants to work their way up to endgame once and let that be the end of it so they can quit the game and move on from boredom. We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 2091	Posted - 2014.01.25 12:27:00 - [6] - Quote I just love how you pile all infantry into why category "infantry did not support vehicle respec's" I was mainly infantry and I wanted a respec because I had like 2mil sp in vehicles I did not need. Selling Rare Templar BPO's 250Mil ISK
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1684	Posted - 2014.01.25 12:34:00 - [7] - Quote Echoist wrote: If they were going to do a respec I'd say only the dropsuit command skills should be refunded, no reason to respec the weapons. How about the equipment? Playstyles and entire fittings need to change for 1.8. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1684	Posted - 2014.01.25 12:38:00 - [8] - Quote Severance Pay wrote: Infantry didn't support a respec for tankers because infantry fought for equal rights to respecs. When they cry for respecs they cry for everyone. Also, we already got our respecs. At this point, they are so unnecessary because since everything is under continuous rebalance and updates what you want will change a week after a respec is approved. Also, it's not like the skill points are lost or you can simply skill into it later. People are just so impatient that they don't want to always have to work their way back up. Everyone wants to work their way up to endgame once and let that be the end of it so they can quit the game and move on from boredom. But see, our entire way of playing was changing, and since to fully spec everything in vehicles, we need 60mil SP. Nobody is anywhere close to achieving that. Plus they added a ton of turret skills, and those take up a lot of SP. With fitting requirements reduced as much as possible, better fittings can be made. I want rail and blaster optimization to 5. That's the first thing I'd do with extra SP back in my unallocated pool. Then if we're getting new hulls and / or turrets, I'd hold on to it for those, so I can laugh like a maniac as I melt infantry with a giant laser. Infantry had no logical reason that us pilots shouldn't've had all our SP back in our unallocated pool, so we could maximize our chosen style of play. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1685	Posted - 2014.01.25 12:40:00 - [9] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I just love how you pile all infantry into why category "infantry did not support vehicle respec's" I was mainly infantry and I wanted a respec because I had like 2mil sp in vehicles I did not need. If CCP wasn't changing vehicles, there wouldn't be any reason to get that 2 mil back. I am piling you all into one category, because none of you supported one. Few supported a full respec for us, and a general consensus was reached with most of the forums that respecing vehicle SP was the right thing to do. There was even a small minority that said SP shouldn't be put back into the unallocated pool. Police your own, then I'll stop assuming and grouping everyone. Like I said, I'm a tanker and I support a full infantry respec because most everything about it is going to change. Odds are, it's going to happen. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 533	Posted - 2014.01.25 12:45:00 - [10] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Now CCP is basically doing to infantry what they've already done to tanks. They're changing most things. Some of those things being changed will probably be the rail and combat rifles. Those rifles at STD level shred my ADV Gal Logi, up close in the case of the combat rifle, and far away in the case of the rail rifle. I support a nerf to those. So your cool with nerfing weapons you dont use cause they hurt your adv suit, but you ***** and moan when people want a nerf against MLT HAV weapons that shred Proto suits? ah ok... Funny thing is, if we get a full respec am speccing into HAV, not only is it easy mode (been messing around with them the past few days since infrantry AV is all but dead) but is a good way to earn ridiculously easy isk. Id even go as far and say the only reason not everybody is driving HAV is because they are too set in their ways and would rather cry nerf!

RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 677	Posted - 2014.01.25 12:47:00 - [11] - Quote What exactly is the point of making the threads with the same points over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again?
Slen Kaleth BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 69	Posted - 2014.01.25 12:55:00 - [12] - Quote If they plan on adding bonus on suits that affect specific weapon types I think a weapon respec makes sense as well.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1687	Posted - 2014.01.25 13:02:00 - [13] - Quote Obodiah Garro wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Now CCP is basically doing to infantry what they've already done to tanks. They're changing most things. Some of those things being changed will probably be the rail and combat rifles. Those rifles at STD level shred my ADV Gal Logi, up close in the case of the combat rifle, and far away in the case of the rail rifle. I support a nerf to those. So your cool with nerfing weapons you dont use cause they hurt your adv suit, but you ***** and moan when people want a nerf against MLT HAV weapons that shred Proto suits? ah ok... Funny thing is, if we get a full respec am speccing into HAV, not only is it easy mode (been messing around with them the past few days since infrantry AV is all but dead) but is a good way to earn ridiculously easy isk. Id even go as far and say the only reason not everybody is driving HAV is because they are too set in their ways and would rather cry nerf! Infantry called the pilot suit OP before we knew if it had module slots, even though they weren't going to use it. How would you know if I do or do not have access to the combat and / or rail rifle? I complain because it's a tank. What good is a tank if it doesn't behave like one? I'm sure infantry would prefer them to be little more than troop transports with a small turret for limited defense, but when a MLT swarm comes out, watch out! That troop transport should be destroyed in 2 volleys, even if it has a few thousand HP. You will be destroyed even if you spec into tanks. People like me rolling around do not allow red vehicles to exist. I can hit moving targets while moving. I can do it with rail. So, confirm that you still want to spend more for tanks when there's people like me rolling around. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1687	Posted - 2014.01.25 13:03:00 - [14] - Quote RKKR wrote: What exactly is the point of making the threads with the same points over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again? What's your point? I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2291	Posted - 2014.01.25 13:04:00 - [15] - Quote Infantry respec is common sense They are adding the missing suits for commando/scout and heavy The skills/bonuses are being changed to match racial gear like drop uplinks for the Amarr or rail rifles for Caldari assault suits Its not as a big as of a change as what vehicles went through but with the dropsuit changes it means the choices you made now or even 6months ago are utterly worthless because everything has changed again Intelligence is OP
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 534	Posted - 2014.01.25 13:05:00 - [16] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: You will be destroyed even if you spec into tanks. People like me rolling around do not allow red vehicles to exist. I can hit moving targets while moving. I can do it with rail. lol
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1687	Posted - 2014.01.25 13:05:00 - [17] - Quote Slen Kaleth wrote: If they plan on adding bonus on suits that affect specific weapon types I think a weapon respec makes sense as well. I don't see a reason that SP shouldn't be given back. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1688	Posted - 2014.01.25 13:18:00 - [18] - Quote Obodiah Garro wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: You will be destroyed even if you spec into tanks. People like me rolling around do not allow red vehicles to exist. I can hit moving targets while moving. I can do it with rail. lol Lol you think a few days in a MLT hull is going to make me worry? I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4370	Posted - 2014.01.25 13:52:00 - [19] - Quote I run both infantry and vehicles. I supported the vehicle respec when it happened, and I'm supporting the idea of an infantry respec now. I hope CCP do offer this, even if the skill trees don't change significantly beyond the bonus changes and new content. There's argument in those limitations for why CCP may not do so, but I still want to see it happen.
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 679	Posted - 2014.01.25 14:06:00 - [20] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: RKKR wrote: What exactly is the point of making the threads with the same points over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again? What's your point? That the way how you or others viewed respecs for vehicles in the past doesn't even play a role wether a respec should happen or not and that there are a bunch of respec threads already that bring nothing new.

Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1740	Posted - 2014.01.25 15:57:00 - [21] - Quote Obodiah Garro wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Now CCP is basically doing to infantry what they've already done to tanks. They're changing most things. Some of those things being changed will probably be the rail and combat rifles. Those rifles at STD level shred my ADV Gal Logi, up close in the case of the combat rifle, and far away in the case of the rail rifle. I support a nerf to those. So your cool with nerfing weapons you dont use cause they hurt your adv suit, but you ***** and moan when people want a nerf against MLT HAV weapons that shred Proto suits? ah ok... Funny thing is, if we get a full respec am speccing into HAV, not only is it easy mode (been messing around with them the past few days since infrantry AV is all but dead) but is a good way to earn ridiculously easy isk. Id even go as far and say the only reason not everybody is driving HAV is because they are too set in their ways and would rather cry nerf! good. gunlogis and madrugars give me more isk when i blow them up. btw, you are not a tanker, you are a FOTM chaser and when tanks get nerfed, you wont survive like the real tankers will. i support full infantry respec, too Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1346	Posted - 2014.01.25 16:02:00 - [22] - Quote Obodiah Garro wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Now CCP is basically doing to infantry what they've already done to tanks. They're changing most things. Some of those things being changed will probably be the rail and combat rifles. Those rifles at STD level shred my ADV Gal Logi, up close in the case of the combat rifle, and far away in the case of the rail rifle. I support a nerf to those. So your cool with nerfing weapons you dont use cause they hurt your adv suit, but you ***** and moan when people want a nerf against MLT HAV weapons that shred Proto suits? ah ok... Funny thing is, if we get a full respec am speccing into HAV, not only is it easy mode (been messing around with them the past few days since infrantry AV is all but dead) but is a good way to earn ridiculously easy isk. Id even go as far and say the only reason not everybody is driving HAV is because they are too set in their ways and would rather cry nerf! F*ck off your the reason people complain about tanks your going to bring the nerf hammer and laugh as you swap to the next FOTM screwing over those who tanked through thick and thin. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1


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