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Asha Starwind
VEXALATION CORPORATION
Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
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Posted - 2014.01.25 02:43:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Tallen Ellecon wrote:It is the most powerful, it just also takes the most skill. It takes the most skill to use "Correctly". What they need to change is how insanely powerful the charge+spam is. That crap takes NO SKILL and will still destroy any suit you come across.
All CCP needs to do(but they won't) is make it so heat builds up while it's charging (it would fully charge at the 65% heat mark). That would end Charge + spam without affecting the weapon overall in the slightest. |
manboar thunder fist
SAM-MIK
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Posted - 2014.01.25 15:11:00 -
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stlcarlos989 wrote:Its supposed to be 80% effective against armor but with prof 5 and 2 damage mods it still does 87 damage a shot to armor, it needs a serious damage reduction. 1 charge shot to take out all of the shields of ANY SUIT (except cal heavy next build) then a couple of single shots to finish the armor of any non proto heavy.
Just came across an amarr AK.0 with 600 shields and 1100 armour... No... Im not going to try to kill him... It would take atleast 3 charge shots + single rapid shots and he would probably rip my face off with kaalakiota rail rifle... Honestly stop looking at flat damage... Fine it does 90 dmg per shot but it overheats and is alot harder to use than a rail rifle.. If you even try panic firing you will be clutching your hand in pain as he rips your face off
1.8 will shoot my amarr logi in the face with an ion pistol then bury it under a caldari heavy.
No, not alive thankfully
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
914
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Posted - 2014.01.25 15:24:00 -
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Most SCR users are doing 500 damage a charged shot without headshot.
that's enough to one shot 90% of new players.
Match the SCR with extremely strong AA and Bullet Magnetism... and a heat build up reduction and the gun is stronger then a CR and a RR significantly. Not as flexible as the RR but far better. |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
914
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Posted - 2014.01.25 15:34:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Seigfried Warheit wrote:Yoma Carrim wrote:Disturbingly Bored wrote:Congratulations. It already is!
(Get your kicks in before the Amarr Assault skill changes, thoughGǪ) That charge shot alpha hurts like nothing else  heaven forbid you get a headshot The best scram rifles users always aim for the head  I thought it was just good FPS practice to aim for the head.....
Aiming for a head accurately in DUST? pfft... If they are standing somewhat still? easy... Moving? luck.. or AA helping you out :p with the laggy hit boxes and server registers. Hitting a headshot on a moving target is like trying to aim at someone through 50 smoke grenades...
Ill go from a 68% headshot ratio in CS to DUST where the headshot sound usually is a surprise to hit... unless they are stationary... then who could miss the head..
Hit boxes, Aiming, AA, Accuracy ratings and hit detection is some of the most brutal aspect's DUST has in the game... And those Are some of the core fundamentals to building a FPS....
Everyone is content with a horrific FPS interface to DUST... Aslong as they get their racial suit and respec... Its sad... because these where core fundamental issues that warranted more attention from the community in Chromosome, instead of a new shinny content addition or a Nerf Buff Nerf cycle bullshit... We have traded the farm for the candy shop in the mall. |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.01.25 16:48:00 -
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Auris Lionesse wrote:I agree partially. I just think it needs a new scope like all the rifles. It's 20,000 years in the future and the best they can cone up with is a dot sight? Ccp please.
Well than give all assault variants a red dot as well, acurrently the SCR is the only rifle where both varinats get the same sight |
manboar thunder fist
SAM-MIK
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Posted - 2014.01.26 13:21:00 -
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scrambler rifle more op than combat/rail rifle?
why can i solo a heavy head on with the latter two but with the first i just have to man up and hope he is using a forge gun.
Honestly it takes less than 5 seconds to kill a 1300+ EHP heavy with a combat rifle or rail rifle.
1.8 will shoot my amarr logi in the face with an ion pistol then bury it under a caldari heavy.
No, not alive thankfully
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Beamer 325
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.26 16:10:00 -
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Athena Sentinel wrote:Personal I think the Scrambler rifle requires the most amount of in-game skill to use out of the rifle types. Used incorrectly or in unskilled hands it can easily become the reason you died. It should be the most powerful - but not the most versatile rifle type.
CCP has focused a lot on rifle types. It would be nice to see them start upgrading some of the other weapon types that are really starting to lag behind.
Lmao! Went 40/5 last night just from hip firing SCR. Now that takes real skill. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Learning Coalition College
3729
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Posted - 2014.01.26 16:12:00 -
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manboar thunder fist wrote:With the current TTK of combat and rail rifles the viziam is a death wish... Used correctly its ok but a sneaky rail rifle will reduce you to a new clone in about 2.3 seconds. Idk what it is but the carthum is just.... Shudder.... Underpowered.
A sneaky anything will reduce you to a new clone in about 2.3 seconds these days.
I am your scan error.
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
2106
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Posted - 2014.01.26 16:13:00 -
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The TAR was the most powerful rifle for a bit...that changed...hard.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1687
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Posted - 2014.01.26 16:21:00 -
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Laser Rifle - Should be the most powerful light weapon (rifle type)
Do you see what I did there?
Yours Truly,
Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
232
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Posted - 2014.01.28 11:16:00 -
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Marad''er wrote:manboar thunder fist wrote:Aim? By the time a scrambler rifle user can click multiple times the assault rail rifle user has poured 900 dmg in 2 seconds into him... Come on you have to admit. The dmg done in a few seconds with the rail rifle is more.. Burst dmg is high with scrambler but its increasingly too much of a duck and run weapon, i never use it when I can pull out a Sb-39 or boundless and just melt heavys...
Im not biased i have proto scrambler and both adv rail rifles and combat rifles.. I use the CR and RR 300x more than the scrambler Yeah.. The burst from the CR is like 90 dmg which is just as much as 1 shot from a SCR.. But can fire sooo much faster without overhear
Thats what you give up to get the charge shot ability, which is devastating, if you suck at using the charge shot, perhaps people shouldnt be using a charge weapon? As for the assault variants, its just hard to get through all that armor with a shield weapon. |
Lea Silencio
0uter.Heaven
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1128
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Posted - 2014.01.28 11:22:00 -
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manboar thunder fist wrote:With the current TTK of combat and rail rifles the viziam is a death wish... Used correctly its ok but a sneaky rail rifle will reduce you to a new clone in about 2.3 seconds. Idk what it is but the carthum is just.... Shudder.... Underpowered.
In the right hands, it is better than "ok". Trust that.
PurificationGäó
It's what I do.
Amarr Victor
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
4223
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Posted - 2014.01.28 11:23:00 -
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Seigfried Warheit wrote:Disturbingly Bored wrote:Congratulations. It already is!
(Get your kicks in before the Amarr Assault skill changes, thoughGǪ) Pft you don't need the amarr assault to rock the scram rifle 
^This is why I'm so confused as to why so many are complaining about it.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 4
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
6266
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Posted - 2014.01.28 11:31:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Seigfried Warheit wrote:Disturbingly Bored wrote:Congratulations. It already is!
(Get your kicks in before the Amarr Assault skill changes, thoughGǪ) Pft you don't need the amarr assault to rock the scram rifle ^This is why I'm so confused as to why so many are complaining about it.
Also don't know why the skill is changing. Its perhaps the only truly fitting bonus any suit in the game actually has.
"My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
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Gelan Corbaine
Gladiators Vanguard
310
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Posted - 2014.01.28 14:27:00 -
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manboar thunder fist wrote:scrambler rifle more op than combat/rail rifle?
why can i solo a heavy head on with the latter two but with the first i just have to man up and hope he is using a forge gun.
Honestly it takes less than 5 seconds to kill a 1300+ EHP heavy with a combat rifle or rail rifle.
Are you seriously asking why two rifles bonused against armor has an easier time against an Amarr armor heavy than a rifle designed to go against shield using Matari ?
No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
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Scout Registry
Nos Nothi
1091
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Posted - 2014.01.28 14:40:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Seigfried Warheit wrote:Disturbingly Bored wrote:Congratulations. It already is!
(Get your kicks in before the Amarr Assault skill changes, thoughGǪ) Pft you don't need the amarr assault to rock the scram rifle ^This is why I'm so confused as to why so many are complaining about it.
Perhaps folks are asking for an ScR buff as attempt to avoid an ScR nerf.
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1726
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Posted - 2014.01.28 19:03:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Most SCR users are doing 500 damage a charged shot without headshot.
that's enough to one shot 90% of new players.
Match the SCR with extremely strong AA and Bullet Magnetism... and a heat build up reduction and the gun is stronger then a CR and a RR significantly. Not as flexible as the RR but far better.
That's impossible. The maximum damage a charged shot that isn't a headshot can do is 350.150229 damage(using 3.25 as the charge shot multiplier, as we are not exactly sure how much the multiplier actually is, but I persoanally have rounded it down to about 3.25). That's on a Viziam ScR with Prof V and 5 Complex Light Damage Mods. You should not pull numbers out of your ass... that's basically asking for people to prove you wrong.
Proof:
[((79.2GÇó1.15)GÇó(1+0.0869+0.0571+0.0283+0.0106))GÇó3.25] = 350.150229
Yours Truly,
Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Tempo
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
2485
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Posted - 2014.01.28 19:42:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:Zerus Ni'Kator wrote:Tallen Ellecon wrote:It is the most powerful, it just also takes the most skill. Spamming R1 doesn't take any skill lol I've had people shoot at me and miss 9 out of 10 shots but because they've fired so many, some of them are bound to hit .. it's like your own personal laser show Lets face it none of the rifles take skill aside from the Laser Rifle .. it has such a small optimum range you really have to play well to kill someone Spamming R1 is not skillful use of the ScR This. Anyone can spam R1 and get a lucky kill with it, but you would be better off just using an AR of RR in that case. The ScR only truly shines in the hands of someone who knows their way around the weapon. Spamming R1 isn't a consistent way to operate it.
Hahahaha, lucky kill? Wtf.
The assault rail and scr are my got to weapons if I want ridiculous easy mode. Please tell me what 'skillful' use is required unless your adsing at point blank range lol.
Another ridiculous thread seriously but in all fairness, all the the rifles are easy as fk to use. Everyone uses them 'skillfully' but please don't use that word in relation to dust, the hardest part of dust is getting the teamwork and tactics nailed down, not using guns. Well maybe the PLC but again its really not that hard.
Even scouts are pretty easy, always knowing which way people are facing wielding an ohk weapon, yeah very hard. Dust is so l33t lol
Level 2 forum warrior.
Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam
I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
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