DUST Search - You know the LASER sucks when...........

Pvt Numnutz wrote:

Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:

Fizzer94 wrote:

Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:

Fizzer94 wrote:

Jeez Tech! How were you using it? That's... pretty bad.
I've been doing fine with it lately, it took me a couple of hours to get back into the Laser Rifle mindset, but I've been pulling good numbers.
You shouldn't use the PRO or ADV Lasers. They are fixing it (so CCP Remnant says), but until they do, stick to the Standard one.

Basic laser in Advanced ammar logi and proto mimatar assault, complex damage mods, laser and proficiency at max.

Had better results running a starter fit with a militia smg.

Were you getting in a good perch? It doesn't work well at the run 'n gun that the other rifles can do, its a VERY Amarrian weapon and wants you to hunker down somewhere to defend a position... Maybe if you get back on sometime when I'm playing I'll help you get back into the Laser Groove.

Hint: today I went up versus five users that were only about lasers since closed beta.
And what weapons were they using?
RR and CR.

I was using the laser at "long range" along with a scanner.
Just wanted to see how bad the laser performed versus railrifles, scrambler rifles and combat rifles.

The laser no longer has a usable niche.
It is possible to kill starterfits with the laser.
And thats it.

There is no laser groove to get into versus semicapable users of scamblers, CR or RR.
These weapons have better range, optimals and damage than the laser.

I am undecided whats top of the useless heap since its either the massdriver or the laser for that spot.

Speaking of useless weapons I noticed that I was the only HMG heavy.
Then I changed out the HM-82 for a combat rifle and viola!!! easy kills!!

There must be some magic instaskillup in the rail rifles and the combat rifles ??

Tomorrow I will try out the same fits only using combat rifles and rail rifles instead.

I suspect my KDR will improve.

I'm sure the laser has its niche, its probably still really good at killing shield suits when there is no cover. Though I don't use one so I wouldn't know.
The mass driver is still good, it requires damage mods and prof 3 but my buddy takes out all mannar of proto armor suits with his exo5. Flux grenades and teamwork.

Out of curiosity, did you spec into laser rifles back in chrom when they cut down anything that moved? I agree the laser should be effective, tho it shouldn't return to those days. Those days were horrible.


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Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1116	Posted - 2014.01.24 06:08:00 - [1] - Quote I resurected my laser fit for 45 minutes then deleted it. It sucks when you have laser proficiency five/three complex damage mods and go 1 and 10. When you can get more kills with a militia weapon instead of a maxxed out laser. When you press R1 and the entire battlefield just pauses and looks about like lol!! easy kills. When someone using basic nova knifes gets more kills than you managed with a "proto" laser. Using a laser forcibly reminds you why you quit playing Dust 1.7 and why even a 45 minute sample in 3X SP week was a bad idea. When an "Academy" graduate starter fit kills you with a basic rail rifle then sends you a text asking why you are using such a bad weapon(laser).... Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1116	Posted - 2014.01.24 06:21:00 - [2] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Jeez Tech! How were you using it? That's... pretty bad. I've been doing fine with it lately, it took me a couple of hours to get back into the Laser Rifle mindset, but I've been pulling good numbers. You shouldn't use the PRO or ADV Lasers. They are fixing it (so CCP Remnant says), but until they do, stick to the Standard one. Basic laser in Advanced ammar logi and proto mimatar assault, complex damage mods, laser and proficiency at max. Had better results running a starter fit with a militia smg. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1116	Posted - 2014.01.24 07:11:00 - [3] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Jeez Tech! How were you using it? That's... pretty bad. I've been doing fine with it lately, it took me a couple of hours to get back into the Laser Rifle mindset, but I've been pulling good numbers. You shouldn't use the PRO or ADV Lasers. They are fixing it (so CCP Remnant says), but until they do, stick to the Standard one. Basic laser in Advanced ammar logi and proto mimatar assault, complex damage mods, laser and proficiency at max. Had better results running a starter fit with a militia smg. Were you getting in a good perch? It doesn't work well at the run 'n gun that the other rifles can do, its a VERY Amarrian weapon and wants you to hunker down somewhere to defend a position... Maybe if you get back on sometime when I'm playing I'll help you get back into the Laser Groove. Hint: today I went up versus five users that were only about lasers since closed beta. And what weapons were they using? RR and CR. I was using the laser at "long range" along with a scanner. Just wanted to see how bad the laser performed versus railrifles, scrambler rifles and combat rifles. The laser no longer has a usable niche. It is possible to kill starterfits with the laser. And thats it. There is no laser groove to get into versus semicapable users of scamblers, CR or RR. These weapons have better range, optimals and damage than the laser. I am undecided whats top of the useless heap since its either the massdriver or the laser for that spot. Speaking of useless weapons I noticed that I was the only HMG heavy. Then I changed out the HM-82 for a combat rifle and viola!!! easy kills!! There must be some magic instaskillup in the rail rifles and the combat rifles ?? Tomorrow I will try out the same fits only using combat rifles and rail rifles instead. I suspect my KDR will improve. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1116	Posted - 2014.01.24 08:07:00 - [4] - Quote Marad''er wrote: 1st game with my basic laser on my 3dmg mod amarr assault vs nyain squad ambush match I went 20/1 It's all bout positioning. Every game after ward I got less than 10 kills but rarely died. It is a hard weapon to go slayer with but I think it's dmg output at its optimal is pretty good. Except when you meet a kallikiota RR.. In all the games today I was the only laser user but I did manage to see three core flaylock users...lol!! Thats the problem with being a longtime laser user. I use my laser and manage 1 kill.....one kill!! then enemy folks go oh!! theres Tech!! so out come the kalakiota railrifles. Not that it matters since massdrivers are also just meh!! for results and trying to use shotguns is kind of fail with all the scanners so it looks like its either give in and run RR or CR or just continue to skip playing dust until either 1.8 fixes things or I get a solid launch date on PS2. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1117	Posted - 2014.01.24 08:10:00 - [5] - Quote Nestil wrote: You know the LASER sucks when.......... you spent 5 minutes to flank a group of reds. for a perfect shot at optimal range, only to get mowed down by a RR in under a second at 94 meters .. That was my gameplay all of today.....sigh. Dead Tech.....95m.....RR....died again 97m RR......died again RR 94m.......... Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1118	Posted - 2014.01.24 08:32:00 - [6] - Quote Echoist wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: I resurected my laser fit for 45 minutes then deleted it. It sucks when you have laser proficiency five/three complex damage mods and go 1 and 10. When you can get more kills with a militia weapon instead of a maxxed out laser. When you press R1 and the entire battlefield just pauses and looks about like lol!! easy kills. When someone using basic nova knifes gets more kills than you managed with a "proto" laser. Using a laser forcibly reminds you why you quit playing Dust 1.7 and why even a 45 minute sample in 3X SP week was a bad idea. When an "Academy" graduate starter fit kills you with a basic rail rifle then sends you a text asking why you are using such a bad weapon(laser).... Jesus you really need to keep your distance from your targets. Stay away from areas with lots of cover and NEVER go inside the city or compound unless you know what you're doing with the laser or you have a very good sidearm with you. Or just face the fact that maybe the laser rifle just doesn't suit your playstyle. My playstyle is 80m to 100m but the problem is that the laser optimal dies after 85m(1% damage at higher ranges) and the RR has no such limitation in the 85m to 100m. This is kind of the same conversation as when telling Duvolle AR users that they needed to get in closer to the then OP TAC AR users. The laser is OUTRANGED. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1122	Posted - 2014.01.24 19:46:00 - [7] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Jeez Tech! How were you using it? That's... pretty bad. I've been doing fine with it lately, it took me a couple of hours to get back into the Laser Rifle mindset, but I've been pulling good numbers. You shouldn't use the PRO or ADV Lasers. They are fixing it (so CCP Remnant says), but until they do, stick to the Standard one. Basic laser in Advanced ammar logi and proto mimatar assault, complex damage mods, laser and proficiency at max. Had better results running a starter fit with a militia smg. Were you getting in a good perch? It doesn't work well at the run 'n gun that the other rifles can do, its a VERY Amarrian weapon and wants you to hunker down somewhere to defend a position... Maybe if you get back on sometime when I'm playing I'll help you get back into the Laser Groove. Hint: today I went up versus five users that were only about lasers since closed beta. And what weapons were they using? RR and CR. I was using the laser at "long range" along with a scanner. Just wanted to see how bad the laser performed versus railrifles, scrambler rifles and combat rifles. The laser no longer has a usable niche. It is possible to kill starterfits with the laser. And thats it. There is no laser groove to get into versus semicapable users of scamblers, CR or RR. These weapons have better range, optimals and damage than the laser. I am undecided whats top of the useless heap since its either the massdriver or the laser for that spot. Speaking of useless weapons I noticed that I was the only HMG heavy. Then I changed out the HM-82 for a combat rifle and viola!!! easy kills!! There must be some magic instaskillup in the rail rifles and the combat rifles ?? Tomorrow I will try out the same fits only using combat rifles and rail rifles instead. I suspect my KDR will improve. I'm sure the laser has its niche, its probably still really good at killing shield suits when there is no cover. Though I don't use one so I wouldn't know. The mass driver is still good, it requires damage mods and prof 3 but my buddy takes out all mannar of proto armor suits with his exo5. Flux grenades and teamwork. Out of curiosity, did you spec into laser rifles back in chrom when they cut down anything that moved? I agree the laser should be effective, tho it shouldn't return to those days. Those days were horrible. I have this thing about not running broken or OP weapons. Thus I refused to run: Swarms when they were OHK on infantry, RE when they were tossed out like Atomic Frizzbees doing 3000 hp on infantry in a 20m blast, Sagaris, Surya back when there was no way to kill them, same for when dropships were doing 100 and 0, TAC AR, core flaylocks, fused contact grenades, massdrivers when they were close to instakills and the Viziam laser when it was broken. I do not mind running an underpowered weapon. What bothers me is running a weapon that clearly has no real use outside of a few kills on unaware newbs. You know the laser sucks when your fresh alt in RR does better than a 22M SP laser main. I rolled a new alt and spent my 514k sp in RR and did better than a 22M SP with a laser. So yeah somethings wrong with that. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1122	Posted - 2014.01.24 19:59:00 - [8] - Quote Echoist wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: How to beat a laser if caught in the beam - A short guide. 1) Strafe 2) Back up or move forward a few meters Now you know how to effectively survive an LR attack! That only work for those just plain put suck at using the laser rifle or those who try to do CQC with the laser lol. Those with experience under their belt with the laser can easily track your movements. That works so well at 94M!! right???....sarcasm. Heres the real deal at 94M : Laser user Tech Ohm hears : you dead!!....***!! from RR CR SCR users. Wait!! move foreward until under 84m right??, right?? RR starts shooting at 100m and by the time Tech Ohm gets into 83m to begin shooting the laser?? RR user says : you DEAD!!...***!!! to laser user Tech Ohm. Here let me put this in another perspective: DUVOLLE AR (laser) gets told MOVE CLOSER!! to TAC AR (RR). Anyone remember how those combats went?? Tac AR.....IWINZ!!! TAC AR....IWINZ!! TAC AR....IWINZ!! TAC AR....IWINZ!! Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1123	Posted - 2014.01.25 01:35:00 - [9] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: I resurected my laser fit for 45 minutes then deleted it. It sucks when you have laser proficiency five/three complex damage mods and go 1 and 10. When you can get more kills with a militia weapon instead of a maxxed out laser. When you press R1 and the entire battlefield just pauses and looks about like lol!! easy kills. When someone using basic nova knifes gets more kills than you managed with a "proto" laser. Using a laser forcibly reminds you why you quit playing Dust 1.7 and why even a 45 minute sample in 3X SP week was a bad idea. When an "Academy" graduate starter fit kills you with a basic rail rifle then sends you a text asking why you are using such a bad weapon(laser).... Were you trying to melee people with it? Since when is a playstyle of 80m to 100m considered melee range?? Why the laser sucks: Going to get some kills with the laser huh , Tech?? Yep!! 65m to 84m right, Tech? Yep!! K!! Now ASSUMING...LOL! no other LONGER range rifle users killed you yet then wait for targets to reach 82m. Yep!! Wait until the target is perfectly still. Yep!! Wait until the laser beam is heated. Yep!! Hope that no one sees the laser beam as you are heating it....lol!! Then hope that your target is still waiting patiently like a dumbass..lol!! Now try to line up the heated laser beam with the targets head to score a headshot and......Tech??, TECH????....TECHHH???? Oh!!!! you DIED several minutes ago to a RR...lol!! K!! Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1124	Posted - 2014.01.25 22:25:00 - [10] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: You should go back to bawling about tanks tech, the laser rifle issue is dead, CCP has said they are going to fix it. You used to be a good forgegunner why aren't you ripping tanks to pieces instead of finding anything you can to bawl about on the forums? I did forgegun tanks the first day of 1.7 and my forgegun fits cost 150k to 200+k . I was down several million isk by the end of the playtime window. It was as pointless as trying to get rid of a roachnest by killing tanks.......er I meant roaches one by one instead of a tacnuke.....er I meant using an exterminator. Waiting for 1.8 and 1.9 to sample but really waiting for the server bandwith being used by MAG to be transfered to PS2 in May/June. Its ok playing Dust but 16 V 16 is just getting old and I am just cruising forums since most of my time is gearing up for Player Studio on PS2. I.e CCP does not permit this since no Player Studio but PS2 says yes: A small skull or a small stripe on the dropsuit for every thousand kills, a large skull or a large stripe on the suit for every ten thousand kills. Or if running(jeeps, tanks , jets, etc) vehicles then YOU get to ask what you want painted on it be it clan tags or a shark, etc. Or say you like running folks over then perhaps a custom horn sound?? i.e. auuugaaa! or the bip, bip,bip roadrunner sound?? I have no idea when this is comeing on PS2: What I really want to do are Clan Clubhouses: You log in then select Clanhouse and its this building/meeting area for 100+ clan members to do pre-game strategy on deployable maps. In fact if CCP ever migrates to PS4 then the player trading in Dust needs to be a Market Area in a town with shops that dusties can stroll in and select what to buy at what shops as they pass by the several clanhouses whose meeting hall size represents held districts. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.

Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1127	Posted - 2014.01.25 22:31:00 - [11] - Quote demonkiller 12 wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: I resurected my laser fit for 45 minutes then deleted it. It sucks when you have laser proficiency five/three complex damage mods and go 1 and 10. When you can get more kills with a militia weapon instead of a maxxed out laser. When you press R1 and the entire battlefield just pauses and looks about like lol!! easy kills. When someone using basic nova knifes gets more kills than you managed with a "proto" laser. Using a laser forcibly reminds you why you quit playing Dust 1.7 and why even a 45 minute sample in 3X SP week was a bad idea. When an "Academy" graduate starter fit kills you with a basic rail rifle then sends you a text asking why you are using such a bad weapon(laser).... if you have proficiency 5 then that 3rd dmg mod is a waste When talking laser anything on that suit that costs isk is a waste since its just feeding RR users easy kills. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.