DUST Search - The heart of the disparity between the Minmitar Scout and Gallente Scout

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:

Just did a mathmatical comparison of the Gallente and Minmitar scout at maximum skill level, and here are the finidings

Just to do a clean and easy to read comparison-
Both races are using a k5 specialist shotgun, a STD SMG, and a stable active scanner, and it is assumed that all skills are maxed out.
Minmitar-
-3x SE's
-2x KC's
-1x PD
Gallente-
-3x KC's
-1x STD armor plate
-1x PRO DM
-1x PRO SE
Now to compare the stats:

Minmitar-

-Total HP-430.3, 14.2 higher than Gallente, or less than one bullet from an unmodded, STD HMG
-No armor repair HP
-No Damage Mod- Does less damage than Gallente
-Speed=7.91x1.05x1+(.24x1.05)=about 10.39 m/s
-hacking speed-26.25% faster hacking at maximum skills
-dB- equal to Gallente, able to dodge non focused proto scanner
-Less scan radius than Gallente by 25%
-Does 25% more damage with nova knives
-Cannot fit a cloak

Gallente-

-Total HP-416.1, 14.2 less than Minmitar
-Has 3 hp/second repair to armor
-Does more damage due to added PRO DM ( not sure on the DM's in 1.8; they are being readjusted)
-Speed=7.68x1.05x.98x1+(.12x3x1.05)=about 10.74 m/s or about a third of a meter per second faster than minmitar
-dB- equal to minmitar
-25% more scan radius than Minmitar
-Able to fit a basic cloak

While I dont mind the Gallente scout having what it has, I do mind that the minmitar is unable to fit a cloak with max fittings, while sacrificing so much just to be comparable to the Gallente scout.

Please understand that Im normally not this whiny, I just noticed this disparity, and sought what the general opinion was of veterans who have been running scouts far longer than I.

I already checked to see if these fittings fit, and they do.

Proposed fix is to simply allow for 7 more pg in the minmitar fitting for a basic cloak to fit on the suit. This at least semi-equalizes the situation.


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KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3990	Posted - 2014.01.24 05:41:00 - [1] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Just did a mathmatical comparison of the Gallente and Minmitar scout at maximum skill level, and here are the finidings Just to do a clean and easy to read comparison- Both races are using a k5 specialist shotgun, a STD SMG, and a stable active scanner, and it is assumed that all skills are maxed out. Minmitar- -3x SE's -2x KC's -1x PD Gallente- -3x KC's -1x STD armor plate -1x PRO DM -1x PRO SE Now to compare the stats: Minmitar- -Total HP-430.3, 14.2 higher than Gallente, or less than one bullet from an unmodded, STD HMG -No armor repair HP -No Damage Mod- Does less damage than Gallente -Speed=7.91x1.05x1+(.24x1.05)=about 10.39 m/s -hacking speed-26.25% faster hacking at maximum skills -dB- equal to Gallente, able to dodge non focused proto scanner -Less scan radius than Gallente by 25% -Does 25% more damage with nova knives -Cannot fit a cloak Gallente- -Total HP-416.1, 14.2 less than Minmitar -Has 3 hp/second repair to armor -Does more damage due to added PRO DM ( not sure on the DM's in 1.8; they are being readjusted) -Speed=7.68x1.05x.98x1+(.12x3x1.05)=about 10.74 m/s or about a third of a meter per second faster than minmitar -dB- equal to minmitar -25% more scan radius than Minmitar -Able to fit a basic cloak While I dont mind the Gallente scout having what it has, I do mind that the minmitar is unable to fit a cloak with max fittings, while sacrificing so much just to be comparable to the Gallente scout. Please understand that Im normally not this whiny, I just noticed this disparity, and sought what the general opinion was of veterans who have been running scouts far longer than I. I already checked to see if these fittings fit, and they do. Proposed fix is to simply allow for 7 more pg in the minmitar fitting for a basic cloak to fit on the suit. This at least semi-equalizes the situation. The minmatar is not designed for that fitting. Its designed to be fast, hack fast , and use nova knifes. So if you COMPARE the BONUSES they both get (took the bonuses from HERE) : Gallente has 25% both SCan Radius and Profile dampening. So a Complex profile dampener (65CPU was it? i dont remember exactly) and a Basic Range Amplifier (15 CPU) So the Gallente has a total of 80 CPU and 2 Low slots worth in Bonus. Now lets see the minmatar: 25% Hacking Speed and 25% Damage to nova knives. so 25% is roughly 3 Complex damage modifier worth for the nova knife. So for nova knifers looking for the most optimal damage,in order to have those 25% they would have to use all 3 high slots on this. Now , how much is a Cx Damage mod? (68 CPU / 9PG EACH) The Hacking speed bonus goes on par to the Minmatar's speed to reach objectives and primary assets. Min gets 25% that equals a 45 CPU and 11 PG Complex Codebreaker. Overall: The Gallente has So the Gallente has a total of 80 CPU and 2 Low slots worth in Bonus. The Minmatar has a total of 249 CPU,38 PG,1 Low slot , and 3 High slots worth of Bonus. If you want to use Shotguns , you'd do better off using another suit. The Mk.0 is a SPECIALIZED scout suit,designed for quick hacking action and CQ/Melee encounters. Extra note, using an Active scanners are Med frame equipment, a true Scout has no need for this..... Extra note 2: The Amarr is by far the WORST scout so stop trying to make me feel sorry for your OP Nova Knifer Scout please.... Extra note 3: Im not OPPOSED to the 7PG Buff proposed....just dont think its necessary ...but buffing a scout brother never hurts........ Just wanted to clarify how the Minmatar scout is everything BUT underpowered if used for whats is designed for.... GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 4001	Posted - 2014.01.24 22:27:00 - [2] - Quote Orin the Freak wrote: "Just go Gallente" Thanks. I'll abandon all race loyalty I've built up since EVE, just so I can be competitive on the DUST battlefield. Perfect. Also, LOL @ everyone arguing the usefulness of knives. I'm sure all 50 people that use them will be utterly stoked to go minmatar. everyone else, just go Gallente. Exactly! Your ''race loyalty'' is not defiened by the equipment used in DUST514. I an Amarr needs speed, he wont be using amarr suits,he will be using Minmatar suits. If a Caldari likes to have high HP values, he wont use Caldari suits,he will use a Gallente armor tanker.. etc... So same for us scouts you will choose your Suit depending on what you are looking for: GÖª Gallente / Best profile dampener + Good radar range (EWAR oriented) GÖª Caldari/ Best Radar scan precision + Good radar range (EWAR Oriented) GÖª Matari/Nova knifer + Speed Hacker (Close combat and infiltration) GÖªAmarr/ Flanking Light Assault. (designed to be an assault with better db and stamina) Saying i will knova knife with my amarr scout is just being delusional and would be handicapping myself, when i can have an MK.0 with 6 complex damage mods worth in Nova knife damage.... GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.