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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.01.24 03:35:00 -
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Just did a mathmatical comparison of the Gallente and Minmitar scout at maximum skill level, and here are the finidings
Just to do a clean and easy to read comparison-
Both races are using a k5 specialist shotgun, a STD SMG, and a stable active scanner, and it is assumed that all skills are maxed out.
Minmitar-
-3x SE's
-2x KC's
-1x PD
Gallente-
-3x KC's
-1x STD armor plate
-1x PRO DM
-1x PRO SE
Now to compare the stats:
Minmitar-
-Total HP-430.3, 14.2 higher than Gallente, or less than one bullet from an unmodded, STD HMG
-No armor repair HP
-No Damage Mod- Does less damage than Gallente
-Speed=7.91x1.05x1+(.24x1.05)=about 10.39 m/s
-hacking speed-26.25% faster hacking at maximum skills
-dB- equal to Gallente, able to dodge non focused proto scanner
-Less scan radius than Gallente by 25%
-Cannot fit a cloak
Gallente-
-Total HP-416.1, 14.2 less than Minmitar
-Has 3 hp/second repair to armor
-Does more damage due to added PRO DM ( not sure on the DM's in 1.8; they are being readjusted)
-Speed=7.68x1.05x.98x1+(.12x3x1.05)=about 10.74 m/s or about a third of a meter per second faster than minmitar
-dB- equal to minmitar
-25% more scan radius than Minmitar
-Able to fit a basic cloak
While I dont mind the Gallente scout having what it has, I do mind that the minmitar is unable to fit a cloak with max fittings, while sacrificing so much just to be comparable to the Gallente scout.
Please understand that Im normally not this whiny, I just noticed this disparity, and sought what the general opinion was of veterans who have been running scouts far longer than I.
I already checked to see if these fittings fit, and they do.
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.01.24 03:51:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:pretty sure you forgot the nova knives
This is true, and you bring up a good point. Ill add that in there. HOWEVER the vast majority of scouts do not use nova knives, as they are the most situational weapon in the game. Tanks though, Ill add that 
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.01.24 04:00:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:pretty sure you forgot the nova knives This is true, and you bring up a good point. Ill add that in there. HOWEVER the vast majority of scouts do not use nova knives, as they are the most situational weapon in the game. Tanks though, Ill add that im pretty sure nearly every minmatar scout uses them, its the whole point of being minmatar :P you would also never fit the gallante and the minmatar scouts the same...
I did, until my KDR decided it had taken enough of a beating averaging 4-17 (no other weapon however), but now I use a shotgun and consistently get in the 2.00-3.00 kdr range, with bad games being at a 1.2.5-1.5 kdr using a shotgun. Also, when nova knife hit detection got fixed it fixed a glitch i was subconciously using, where my knives slashed for longer than they should have, making touching me almost insta death, but when it did get fixed, I found the sprint disruption was my worst enemy, and i had to resort to a shotgun 
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.01.24 05:01:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:pretty sure you forgot the nova knives This is true, and you bring up a good point. Ill add that in there. HOWEVER the vast majority of scouts do not use nova knives, as they are the most situational weapon in the game. Tanks though, Ill add that im pretty sure nearly every minmatar scout uses them, its the whole point of being minmatar :P you would also never fit the gallante and the minmatar scouts the same... I did, until my KDR decided it had taken enough of a beating averaging 4-17 (no other weapon however), but now I use a shotgun and consistently get in the 2.00-3.00 kdr range, with bad games being at a 1.2.5-1.5 kdr using a shotgun. Also, when nova knife hit detection got fixed it fixed a glitch i was subconciously using, where my knives slashed for longer than they should have, making touching me almost insta death, but when it did get fixed, I found the sprint disruption was my worst enemy, and i had to resort to a shotgun mine consisted of a combat rifle/knife combo harassment and bait :P the knife is a weapon of opportunity the combat rifle creates those opportunities :P i tend to favor my rifle most of the time, harassing reds from flanking positions trying to draw them away from whatever they are doing to come get me, then using terrain to get the jump on the ones who get pulled in with the knives. and when attacking a group from behind those knives are key to killing a few of them off without alerting the herd of my presence, those rifle shots make too much noise.
Good tactics  I currently am trying to max out my fitting skills, so i dont have any sp to spare for CR's, but I heard that the fit your talking about is deadly
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.01.24 05:16:00 -
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ANON Cerberus wrote:My main is a minmatar scout but that was back when scouts did serious work in chromosome. If and when we get a respec (Or even if we dont) I am thinking quite seriously of specialising into the Gallente scout because it just looks like it has better stats all around. Possibly one of the other scouts but we shall see.
I too feel the minmatar scout is a little lacking. As for the proto light variants (No scout) well all of the normal suits - they are seriously lacking and I regret taking the level past level 3. They offer nothing and cost more. I originally though CCP would give them their own little niche but its not happened so yea, I made some sucky choices.
I just want enough pg to fit a cloak as well as triple SE's double KC's and lowest cost weapons/equipment. Thats all I ask for
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.01.24 05:17:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:Scout is a secondary role for me but I fit differently than yours. Combat Rifle, Nova Knives and Remote Explosives with a focus on profile dampening and enhanced passive range. Only after I have everything else fitted do I worry about shield extenders. It's not like your defenses are going to make that much of a difference. I don't have any biotic modules installed but I did get the passive skill trained up. Maybe that'll change once the new scout suits show up.
I'm currently finishing off Dropsuit Electronics and Dropsuit Engineering to maximize my ability to fit the cloak. I can see the many situations were I would have been able to get into the proper position for an attack or escaped to try again if I had a cloak.
Once you learn how to speed tank, you will never go back lol, until aim assist starts curving bullets to hit you
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.01.24 12:27:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:The minmatar is not designed for that fitting.
Its designed to be fast, hack fast , and use nova knifes.So if you COMPARE the BONUSES they both get (took the bonuses from HERE) : Gallente has 25% both SCan Radius and Profile dampening.So a Complex profile dampener (65CPU was it? i dont remember exactly)and a Basic Range Amplifier (15 CPU)So the Gallente has a total of 80 CPU and 2 Low slots worth in Bonus. Now lets see the minmatar:25% Hacking Speed and 25% Damage to nova knives.so 25% is roughly 3 Complex damage modifier worth for the nova knife. So for nova knifers looking for the most optimal damage,in order to have those 25% they would have to use all 3 high slots on this. Now , how much is a Cx Damage mod? (68 CPU / 9PG EACH) The Hacking speed bonus goes on par to the Minmatar's speed to reach objectives and primary assets. Min gets 25% that equals a 45 CPU and 11 PG Complex Codebreaker. Overall: The Gallente has So the Gallente has a total of 80 CPU and 2 Low slots worth in Bonus.
The Minmatar has a total of 249 CPU,38 PG,1 Low slot , and 3 High slots worth of Bonus.If you want to use Shotguns , you'd do better off using another suit. The Mk.0 is a SPECIALIZED scout suit,designed for quick hacking action and CQ/Melee encounters.
Extra note, using an Active scanners are Med frame equipment, a true Scout has no need for this.....
Extra note 2: The Amarr is by far the WORST scout so stop trying to make me feel sorry for your OP Nova Knifer Scout please....
Extra note 3: Im not OPPOSED to the 7PG Buff proposed....just dont think its necessary ...but buffing a scout brother never hurts........
Just wanted to clarify how the Minmatar scout is everything BUT underpowered if used for whats is designed for....
Well my reasoning for a 7 pg buff is as follows, so tell me if Im wrong. Currently (1.7) the minmitar scout is able to fit 3x shield extenders, 2x kin cats, the SG, and SMG and active scanner with no problems. However, in 1.8, the minmitar gains a slot for a cloak, but only gains 2 Pg, while the required pg for a basic cloak is 8.75 isn, 9 if you round up. The low slot, I believe was designed for a profile dampener, which takes up no Pg, but the cloak slot was not accommodated for in 1.8, fitting wise. That is all i ask for, is enough Pg to be able to run my current fit in 1.8 with a cloak, as my role bonus is dedicated to cloaking, making it a waste if I can't cloak next patch.
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.01.24 12:28:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:No Gallente runs more then 2 kincats. 10.01 is fast enough and the PG is intensive.
TranquilBiscuitofValor is the one who does, for example
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.01.24 21:47:00 -
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Sorry guys, I kinda had a freak out when I posted thisGǪ.all of your guys points are valid and I withdraw the claim that the Minmitar scout is UP. I was just frustrated. Also, with max skills, I may still be able to fit a cloak as there is the fitting optimization skill, so I will still look forward to that :). Also, I think the specialist shotgun only takes up 6 pg, so thats a nice bonus as well. I do think that minmitar should get just 3 pg more, and well call its fittings balanced :). Sorry if i pissed anyone off
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.01.25 04:47:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:No Gallente runs more then 2 kincats. 10.01 is fast enough and the PG is intensive. Haha, yeah. It takes a huge toll running those things.
And only minmitar can't fit them, which is kind of ironic
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.01.25 04:48:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Orin the Freak wrote:
"Just go Gallente" Thanks. I'll abandon all race loyalty I've built up since EVE, just so I can be competitive on the DUST battlefield.
Perfect.
Also, LOL @ everyone arguing the usefulness of knives. I'm sure all 50 people that use them will be utterly stoked to go minmatar. everyone else, just go Gallente.
Exactly! Your ''race loyalty'' is not defiened by the equipment used in DUST514. I an Amarr needs speed, he wont be using amarr suits,he will be using Minmatar suits. If a Caldari likes to have high HP values, he wont use Caldari suits,he will use a Gallente armor tanker.. etc... So same for us scouts you will choose your Suit depending on what you are looking for: GÖª Gallente / Best profile dampener + Good radar range (EWAR oriented) GÖª Caldari/ Best Radar scan precision + Good radar range (EWAR Oriented) GÖª Matari/Nova knifer + Speed Hacker (Close combat and infiltration) GÖªAmarr/ Flanking Light Assault. (designed to be an assault with better db and stamina) Saying i will knova knife with my amarr scout is just being delusional and would be handicapping myself, when i can have an MK.0 with 6 complex damage mods worth in Nova knife damage....
Onlt problem is the pg cost of ishnoksGǪ i think its 11 which is more than a sg+SMG
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.01.25 16:31:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Joel II X wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:No Gallente runs more then 2 kincats. 10.01 is fast enough and the PG is intensive. Haha, yeah. It takes a huge toll running those things. And only minmitar can't fit them, which is kind of ironic Flat out crazy if you ask me. Minmatar is the race least able to use biotics. IMO speed/stamina should be the Minmatar basic frame bonus.
I think if any of these things happen, the minmitar will be a competitive scout, as they will be able to fit a cloak. First of all, when the new cloak came out, the gallente scout had its fittings adjusted to be able to accommodate at least a basic cloak if a cloak was added to its load out. The minmitar however only got 2 pg, and the basic cloak, at max fitting level, costs 8.75 pg, therefore, if you divide 8.75 by 1.3 (max fitting skills) you get the amount of pg that the minmitar should have received, or around 6.7, or 7 pg.
Or, alternatively, shield extenders could have their ludicrous pg price dropped to 9, especially considering how little shields do compared to armor plates. Or, they could simply reduce the pg cost of the cloak to make it hittable on the minmitar suit.
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
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