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Fizzer94
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Posted - 2014.01.24 02:44:00 -
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REs require skill investment and there is no militia or BPO variant of them. They always cost something. I personally applaud the use of Jihad Jeeps, they are effective, inventive, and risky.
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Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
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Fizzer94
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Posted - 2014.01.24 03:29:00 -
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Glitch116 wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:REs require skill investment and there is no militia or BPO variant of them. They always cost something. I personally applaud the use of Jihad Jeeps, they are effective, inventive, and risky. first off RE are not the problem if someone can get me with their REs that is fine i am ok with that and i do it my self it is when you stick said REs to a LAV that there becomes a problem also you can buy aurum and lp REs that require 0 sp and you dont even have to leave the red line with them as you can just swich to a FREE suit after using them they also have 0 risk because as i said you can swich to a free suit to drive in as well as use a free lav so this cost the user NOTHING
They had to buy the free LAV. It costs $50.
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Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
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Fizzer94
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Posted - 2014.01.24 03:38:00 -
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Glitch116 wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:Glitch116 wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:REs require skill investment and there is no militia or BPO variant of them. They always cost something. I personally applaud the use of Jihad Jeeps, they are effective, inventive, and risky. first off RE are not the problem if someone can get me with their REs that is fine i am ok with that and i do it my self it is when you stick said REs to a LAV that there becomes a problem also you can buy aurum and lp REs that require 0 sp and you dont even have to leave the red line with them as you can just swich to a FREE suit after using them they also have 0 risk because as i said you can swich to a free suit to drive in as well as use a free lav so this cost the user NOTHING They had to buy the free LAV. It costs $50. so i pay money to win?
No, you pay money to save ISK. They could do the same thing with a MLT LAV that you have to purchase.
Pay to Win refers to when you pay RL money to have an item that has better stats. BPO LAVs are statistically identical to MLT LAVs.
Yours Truly,
Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
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Fizzer94
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Posted - 2014.01.24 05:39:00 -
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Glitch116 wrote:
that is true of the LAVS themselves but as i stated earlier you can also get the REs for no isk or sp and never have to lose them
you have an unlimited supply of these which can insta pop any tank on the field no matter what
sounds like pay to win to me
There is no way to get unlimited REs. They don't have a BPO. There are also no Militia REs.
At the very least, a Jihad Jeep costs:
[Starter] fit suit: free
BPO LAV: $50
or
Militia LAV: 25000 ISK? About that much at least.
and
Remote Explosives: About 1000 ISK.
or
Aurum REs: 20 AUR.
At the very least a Jihad Jeep will run you 1000 ISK or 20 AUR per death. For most people it runs them about 26000 ISK. Considering the low cost of HAVs nowadays, this is reasonable.
There is no risk free Jihad Jeep.
Yours Truly,
Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
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Fizzer94
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Posted - 2014.01.24 06:26:00 -
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Glitch116 wrote:Denn Maell wrote:This sounds like a problem the real world military found themselves in. Do hardeners and shields not prevent this?
(real question, since the vehicle redesign was supposed to be along the lines of 'Waves of opportunity") no hardeners are not enough to save you even 2 hardeners can be beaten
You are exaggerating. 2 hardeners on an Armor Tank will put its armor alone at over 10K. 2 hardeners on a Shield Tank will put its shield HP at over 10K. Unless they are using 7 REs (which you need Demolitions V to do) and ramming you at full speed, you'll survive.
Yours Truly,
Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
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Fizzer94
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Posted - 2014.01.24 06:54:00 -
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Glitch116 wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:Glitch116 wrote:Denn Maell wrote:This sounds like a problem the real world military found themselves in. Do hardeners and shields not prevent this?
(real question, since the vehicle redesign was supposed to be along the lines of 'Waves of opportunity") no hardeners are not enough to save you even 2 hardeners can be beaten You are exaggerating. 2 hardeners on an Armor Tank will put its armor alone at over 10K. 2 hardeners on a Shield Tank will put its shield HP at over 10K. Unless they are using 7 REs (which you need Demolitions V to do) and ramming you at full speed, you'll survive. REs deal 1500 damage with the aurum, lvl1, and lp Res that 9 REs total for a grand total of 13500 damage thats a **** ton to take in one shoot plus Res are explosives so bonus damge to armor plus the damage you take form the LAV hitting you i have taken close to 20k damage from a murder taxi
You can't place 9 REs unless you have Demolitions V. That's a significant SP requirement. Your original argument is out the window at this point.
Yours Truly,
Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
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Fizzer94
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Posted - 2014.01.24 06:58:00 -
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Glitch116 wrote:Azri Sarum wrote:Against infantry I find them to be in a perfectly balanced state, outside of the occasions where they fail to show on the minimap at all. A couple RE's and they will be a burning husk in no time.
As for vs tanks, i think its more a symptom of being able to spam 6+ by a single suit, and all of the other AV options sucking vs the current tanks.
I for one would prefer we balance things, and not disregard the clever things players can come up with. true however this cant go on like these because it screws with any attempt to balance it needs to be removed from the equation so that we can test and find out what really works. broken mechanics are not a reason to farther break the game the main problem with it is really the fact that 1. LAV explode if they so much as little tap a tank 2. equipment spam in general 3. REs exploding on destruction the best thing to fix this i think is number 3 because there really is no need for that to happen dont know what everyone else thinks though again the problem is not the LAVs or the REs themselves just the combo of them
People are using Jihad Jeeps out of nessecity. There are only 3 effective AV options right now, Rail Tanks, Jihad Jeeps, and Assault Dropships. Jihad Jeeps are the cheapest option that works. If there were real vailbe AV options, you would see their numbers go down.
Yours Truly,
Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
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