DUST Search - rail rifle is defently in need of a nerf.

John Demonsbane wrote:

Here's how you fix them:

CR, ScR: Pretty much fine, imo, they are more or less midrange, oppose each other in terms of the damage they do, and have drawbacks that keep them in check (ScR: overheat, needs at least some skill to use properly; CR: burst mechanic limits non-modded ROF for regular, ammo limitations for ACR).
Only thing I can see is that changing the CR damage profile to be 5/5 makes some sense.

The RR and AR are the outliers. One should be a monster at range, the other at CQC.

1) The RR does both better. ThatGÇÖs the source of the imbalance. DonGÇÖt bother arguing that itGÇÖs not OP, btw, by definition anything that Nyain San uses 95% of the time is OP.

2) The AR (eventually the PR? SoonGäó) is seemingly still in its placeholder role of jack of all trades, which actually is a role filled better by the CR at present, which I guess stays more or less in lore with Minmatar weapons being flexible/adaptable.

So, what to do?

RR: Increase spool up time, probably needs a lower DPS but I'd say [b]try changing just one aspect at a time for once CCP, and see how that works[b]. If itGÇÖs still too good in CQC with a longer spool up alone, then work with the DPS. An alternate idea is to keep the spool up time for ADS the same but make it a lot longer with hipfire. (science-y justification can be that it needs to work that way to account for the instability that would occur if you donGÇÖt brace it).

AR(PR): Make it the close range brawler a Gallente weapon should be. Increase the ROF or DPS and slash the range, like a shorter range ACR thatGÇÖs more efficient with its ammo consumption.

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Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 133	Posted - 2014.01.24 23:42:00 - [31] - Quote So your saying once again the Caldari makes the best equipment as lore would suggest, so they must be nerfed into the ground. Future nerfs are coming to the Caldari Sentinel and Scout so watch what you skill into, because you might accidentally pick a "FOTM". In other news the main reason the RR seems OP is due the the low TTK all the way around. "Nice House you have here Gallente, you can just feel the Freedom." -Looks in Closet- "Dear God"
LEHON Xeon Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 137	Posted - 2014.01.25 00:04:00 - [32] - Quote There needs to be a damage nerf across the board to increase TTK. However, knowing CCP, they'll dismantle weapons again, one at a time. RR will probably be first on the chopping block followed by ACR. It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1998	Posted - 2014.01.25 02:30:00 - [33] - Quote The RR isn't that bad. I'm generally killed by them at longer ranges, but the RR is not useless at CQC. Which is awesome. It should not be useless close up. People should think twice about bum rushing any rifle so the RR being competent in close ranges is perfectly OK. If you are having that much trouble with RRs Get a ScR and higher shields. Shields are better for protecting yourself from rail damage and the ScR can fire off a high damage salvo before the RR can react so you can pick them off easily by popping in and out of cover. With that said, CCP does need to do some fine tuning of the balance of the game but the RR is fine compared to the other racial rifles ATM. I'm expecting CCP to do some rework on balance but targeting the RR specifically would be counter productive. Try to kill it all you want CCP, I still <3 my laser.
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 506	Posted - 2014.01.25 03:28:00 - [34] - Quote Have a spool up between each shot on the normal one. Have the assault variant shoot as fast as the normal one does now.
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 110	Posted - 2014.01.25 06:01:00 - [35] - Quote Ronan Elsword wrote: So your saying once again the Caldari makes the best equipment as lore would suggest, so they must be nerfed into the ground. Future nerfs are coming to the Caldari Sentinel and Scout so watch what you skill into, because you might accidentally pick a "FOTM". In other news the main reason the RR seems OP is due the the low TTK all the way around. Absolutely true, the TTK as it is now is so 'blink and die' that all Racial Rifles appear 'balanced' because they kill people in less time than a second. The reason that the Rail is getting to be the 'poster child of imbalance' is simply due to its optimal range we can feel that on a much greater scale. Before when most weapons were of noticeably shorter ranges, the TTK was less noticeable or offensive, since there was some chance of escape. Now with the rail rifle operating at these ranges without penally people are being gunned down even when they are employing squad tactics and team work. Hence, most shooters exchange DPS with range by giving most long range weapons a lower RoF. Also, being a Rail it does more damage to armor than shields, but blows through all but the most padded shield tanked suits with ease. Before boring even more damage through the plates (perhaps the last hope many had in resisting the TTK issue). I loved the new Rail Rifle (I've always rocked rails on my Megathron) and feel that they fill a much needed role on the battlefield. But I eventually realized they are unbalanced and unbalancing the game even more soGÇª The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field: One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 472	Posted - 2014.01.25 22:48:00 - [36] - Quote Why not make rails how they were supposed to be: a marksman rifle? Spool time is that same but the damage goes up by a lot, give it a clip size of 12 and be done with it. Essentially we should have a perfect hybrid of the Tactical Assault rifle and a sniper rifle, with a better scope than both.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 336	Posted - 2014.01.25 23:03:00 - [37] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Here's how you fix them: CR, ScR: Pretty much fine, imo, they are more or less midrange, oppose each other in terms of the damage they do, and have drawbacks that keep them in check (ScR: overheat, needs at least some skill to use properly; CR: burst mechanic limits non-modded ROF for regular, ammo limitations for ACR). Only thing I can see is that changing the CR damage profile to be 5/5 makes some sense. The RR and AR are the outliers. One should be a monster at range, the other at CQC. 1) The RR does both better. ThatGÇÖs the source of the imbalance. DonGÇÖt bother arguing that itGÇÖs not OP, btw, by definition anything that Nyain San uses 95% of the time is OP. 2) The AR (eventually the PR? SoonGäó) is seemingly still in its placeholder role of jack of all trades, which actually is a role filled better by the CR at present, which I guess stays more or less in lore with Minmatar weapons being flexible/adaptable. So, what to do? RR: Increase spool up time, probably needs a lower DPS but I'd say [b]try changing just one aspect at a time for once CCP, and see how that works[b]. If itGÇÖs still too good in CQC with a longer spool up alone, then work with the DPS. An alternate idea is to keep the spool up time for ADS the same but make it a lot longer with hipfire. (science-y justification can be that it needs to work that way to account for the instability that would occur if you donGÇÖt brace it). AR(PR): Make it the close range brawler a Gallente weapon should be. Increase the ROF or DPS and slash the range, like a shorter range ACR thatGÇÖs more efficient with its ammo consumption. First Nerf damage for all of them by 5 Percent. Then : RR : Add 0.5 spool time. => .75 of Spool time instead of 0.25 /Less optimal range but same effective range. ARR : Should be lower damage and lower RoF (but same range) than RR BUT with no spool time. Minmatarr weapons : Should be +5%/-5% instead of +10%/-5%. (Unbalanced.) CR : Increase time between bursts by 1 sec to avoid spam but make burst shoots 5 shots. Less Range. ACR : Reduce RoF/accuracy and Hip-fire accuracy. Less Range. SCR : Charge shots consume 5 ammo/Lower the mag to be 25/ less hip-fire accuracy. ASCR ; Lower RoF/ higher heat up per shot. AR : Higher RoF and better hip-fire but less optimal range for adv and Pro level. Others AR variants : Higher RoF but less range.
Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 134	Posted - 2014.01.25 23:16:00 - [38] - Quote Can we get rid of AA and see if this fixes the TTK/ "OP" weapons stuff. K thx "Nice House you have here Gallente, you can just feel the Freedom." -Looks in Closet- "Dear God"
Pamperin Witch WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 2	Posted - 2014.01.26 01:22:00 - [39] - Quote RINON114 wrote: Why not make rails how they were supposed to be: a marksman rifle? Spool time is that same but the damage goes up by a lot, give it a clip size of 12 and be done with it. Essentially we should have a perfect hybrid of the Tactical Assault rifle and a sniper rifle, with a better scope than both. Since there role is long to mid range, how about making them tactical rifles with 10 round clips ???
Squagga The State Protectorate 64	Posted - 2014.01.26 11:47:00 - [40] - Quote It's not the rifle that's the problem Reloading, the silent killer.

Pamperin Witch WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 2	Posted - 2014.01.26 21:35:00 - [41] - Quote Squagga wrote: It's not the rifle that's the problem No matter what you call it, this idea can be one possible answer to rail guns with large clips.
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 159	Posted - 2014.01.26 21:56:00 - [42] - Quote Lol squirt gun 514 incoming next release. No one will care about the rr once the laser rifle gets its range buff. Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2001	Posted - 2014.01.26 22:55:00 - [43] - Quote NextDark Knight wrote: Lol squirt gun 514 incoming next release. No one will care about the rr once the laser rifle gets its range buff. One can hope... Try to kill it all you want CCP, I still <3 my laser.
dullrust Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 41	Posted - 2014.01.27 00:14:00 - [44] - Quote yes it needs a slight nerf. Perhaps take 5 to 8 off damage. increase the spool up time to .45 or .50. and NO assault version. If you have to have an assault version match it's damage to the ar.


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