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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.24 00:24:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Pete B wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:The CPU to Pg usage in my opinion is imbalanced. CCP said that the cloak would be CPU intensive, however at the rate of 1 pg is worth about 4.7-5.2 cpu on a proto dropsuit, the Pg level is actually higher than cpu, and I can foresee this as causing massive problems for scouts trying to fit it, as most biotic modules for scouts, which is our life blood, are extremely pg intensive, not to mention shields and ferroscales. The Pg costs for the cloak need to be lowered for them to be able to be fitted on scouts who want to use shield modules or kincats, and perhaps raise the cpu cost if you beleive that it is too easy to fit on other suits. Currently, I probably wont even be able to fit the cloak on my minja, due to its low pg levels and high pg demands of the cloak. Please fellow scouts, recognize this problem and assist me in this. What is the new scout bonus? I did take that into account, however it is not enough for the pg usage of the cloak. Cpu usage is fine, but the pg usage is far to high to be usable by scouts who want to be able to sprint fast.
On my Gallente scout, to fit the proto cloak and the rest of the suit the way I wanted it, I had to sub my complex kin cat for a CPU enhanced. I think that the CPU should be decreased and the PG should be increased (not really I'm fine with the CPU chip  ).
Your post was terrible. So little detail. What close are you trying to fit. What is the CPU/PG overage/underage? Did you check the others scout suit fitting cost, other than the Minja, be for you decided that you would go ahead and speak for "all scouts"?
Come on man.
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
1023
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Posted - 2014.01.24 01:10:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:This is my dream fitting with skills maxed out on my minmitar scout. k5 specialist shotgun-8 pg (I beleive) Submachine gun-3 pg 3x Complex Shield extenders-33 pg total 1x Complex profile dampener-0 pg (thankfully) 2xComplex kinetic catalyzers-30 pg total Stable active scanner-6 pg This comes out to a total of 80 pg already, which is the amount a minmitar scout has at maxed out fitting skills Cloak- now unfittable  EDIT: Is it a reasonable request to fit these said items, and a cloak?
80 PG total
Complex PG upgrade = 14 PG
Cost of proto cloak 17 PG. (there you go, remove one of your kin cats and problem solved)
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
1023
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Posted - 2014.01.24 04:22:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:OZAROW wrote:Well I'm not gonna crunch the numbers an comparison s but could you not worry about the complex dampener an just use the 25%from the cloak?
23.62 will be your profile with the 10% passive profile reduction plus the cloak bonus, this should allow two kin cats and a pg, or run a pg and CPU an one kin, still runs 9.36 with better weapons, or run adv cloak an better gear .
No? I normally agree with you but I already crunched the numbers. The way CCP applies bonuses are that they apply, generate a new value, then apply again. Example-scout base db=35, multiply by .75=26.25 which beats a proto active scanner, but now the problem is gallogis, which will override this, and due to the amount of FoTM' ing into GalLogi, this suit is bound to be seen on the battlefield, especially against organized squads. now we take 26.25 and multiply by .75 and we get 19.6875, which is below everything but a focused scanner. That is my math. Also, to play devil's advocate, why SHOULD Minmitar have to put a pg in a low slot, where a Gallente doesn't and can still outperform the minmitar?
The actual math:
(35 GÇó .9) GÇó (1 - .25) = 23.62
Why do I have to use a CPU enhancer on my Gal fitting for the cloak?.
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
1023
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Posted - 2014.01.24 04:49:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:OZAROW wrote:Well I'm not gonna crunch the numbers an comparison s but could you not worry about the complex dampener an just use the 25%from the cloak?
23.62 will be your profile with the 10% passive profile reduction plus the cloak bonus, this should allow two kin cats and a pg, or run a pg and CPU an one kin, still runs 9.36 with better weapons, or run adv cloak an better gear .
No? I normally agree with you but I already crunched the numbers. The way CCP applies bonuses are that they apply, generate a new value, then apply again. Example-scout base db=35, multiply by .75=26.25 which beats a proto active scanner, but now the problem is gallogis, which will override this, and due to the amount of FoTM' ing into GalLogi, this suit is bound to be seen on the battlefield, especially against organized squads. now we take 26.25 and multiply by .75 and we get 19.6875, which is below everything but a focused scanner. That is my math. Also, to play devil's advocate, why SHOULD Minmitar have to put a pg in a low slot, where a Gallente doesn't and can still outperform the minmitar? The actual math: (35 GÇó .9) GÇó (1 - .25) = 23.62 Why do I have to use a CPU enhancer on my Gal fitting for the cloak?. i forgot the skill reduction, thanks for that. And i dont beleive that you do, but ill double check it, really quickly if you would like.
First, you would have to know what I am running on my fitting in order to "check it". Second, I've already posted this argument before, on page 2, which you ignored. I have already run the math, and I do indeed need a CPU enhancer to run my fitting.
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
1023
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Posted - 2014.01.24 05:05:00 -
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Gavr wrote:1lo Pr1nc1p]Gallente-
-3x KC's
-1x STD armor plate
-1x PRO DM
-1x PRO SE
What in the hell are you smoking? *Shakes his head*
Comp damage mod
Comp shield extender
Kaalakiota RR
Visiam SP
Allotek nanohive
Proto cloak
Comp range amp
2x basic plate
CPU enhancer
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
1023
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Posted - 2014.01.24 05:26:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:[quote=Son-Of A-Gun][quote=Gavr]1lo Pr1nc1p]Gallente- -3x KC's -1x STD armor plate -1x PRO DM -1x PRO SE Quote:
What in the hell are you smoking? *Shakes his head*
Comp damage mod
Comp shield extender
Kaalakiota RR
Visiam SP
Allotek nanohive
Proto cloak
Comp range amp
2x basic plate
CPU enhancer
Please, if you continue to disagree with me on these things, do so respectfully, that is all i ask. I decided to build my calculations off of a more scoutly build, showing how the gallente scout defeats the minmitar in every single way. My challenge for you now to verify your point is to use the above fitting and try to put something similar on a minmitar. 2x proto weapons, 2x proto equipment, 170 health (in shields or in armor, idc), a proto damage mod, and at least one proto shield extender, and you have to put on a PD to equalize the dB of the Gallente and Minmitar. If this fits, then I will agree with you that the two scouts have 0 disparity. Please show me your numbers as well. Thank you in advance.
What p***es me off is that you are out here calling for an increase to CPU and a reduction to PG like your play style is the only one that actually maters, and that you should be able to fit what you want to "because it is the way I want to play".
I'll build your fit for you. It'll take a few minuets though, to run the math.
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
1023
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Posted - 2014.01.24 06:12:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:[quote=Son-Of A-Gun][quote=Gavr]1lo Pr1nc1p]Gallente- -3x KC's -1x STD armor plate -1x PRO DM -1x PRO SE Quote:
What in the hell are you smoking? *Shakes his head*
Comp damage mod
Comp shield extender
Kaalakiota RR
Visiam SP
Allotek nanohive
Proto cloak
Comp range amp
2x basic plate
CPU enhancer
Please, if you continue to disagree with me on these things, do so respectfully, that is all i ask. I decided to build my calculations off of a more scoutly build, showing how the gallente scout defeats the minmitar in every single way. My challenge for you now to verify your point is to use the above fitting and try to put something similar on a minmitar. 2x proto weapons, 2x proto equipment, 170 health (in shields or in armor, idc), a proto damage mod, and at least one proto shield extender, and you have to put on a PD to equalize the dB of the Gallente and Minmitar. If this fits, then I will agree with you that the two scouts have 0 disparity. Please show me your numbers as well. Thank you in advance. What p***es me off is that you are out here calling for an increase to CPU and a reduction to PG like your play style is the only one that actually maters, and that you should be able to fit what you want to "because it is the way I want to play". I'll build your fit for you. It'll take a few minuets though, to run the math.
Comp damage mod
2x comp extender
Six kin assault combat rifle (my preferred CB especially on scouts)
Ishukone nova knives
Allotek nanohive
Proto cloak field
Comp dampener
2x basic armor plate
(raw CPU/PG data, respectively)
57.8/7.65
54/11
54/11
40.8/6
66.3/6
88/16
40/17.5
33/0
10/1
10/1
(Sum total CPU/PG, respectively)
443.9/76.15
(Suit CPU/PG capacity)
457.5/77.5
(Remaining CPU/PG)
3.6/.35
(Total shield/armor mod HP)
302
I rest my case.
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