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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.01.23 23:08:00 -
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The CPU to Pg usage in my opinion is imbalanced. CCP said that the cloak would be CPU intensive, however at the rate of 1 pg is worth about 4.7-5.2 cpu on a proto dropsuit, the Pg level is actually higher than cpu, and I can foresee this as causing massive problems for scouts trying to fit it, as most biotic modules for scouts, which is our life blood, are extremely pg intensive, not to mention shields and ferroscales. The Pg costs for the cloak need to be lowered for them to be able to be fitted on scouts who want to use shield modules or kincats, and perhaps raise the cpu cost if you beleive that it is too easy to fit on other suits. Currently, I probably wont even be able to fit the cloak on my minja, due to its low pg levels and high pg demands of the cloak. Please fellow scouts, recognize this problem and assist me in this.
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
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Posted - 2014.01.23 23:13:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:First lesson all the best omni-soldiers learn quickly.
No suit no matter how much you wish it so; cannot do everything at the same time.
This is true, however, I beleive that it is a reasonable request that if i run an adv specialist shotgun, and a basic SMG that I should be able to fit full proto modules and at least an adv cloak, with a stable active scanner, with my fittings skills maxed. This, however is not the case.
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Posted - 2014.01.23 23:15:00 -
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Pete B wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:The CPU to Pg usage in my opinion is imbalanced. CCP said that the cloak would be CPU intensive, however at the rate of 1 pg is worth about 4.7-5.2 cpu on a proto dropsuit, the Pg level is actually higher than cpu, and I can foresee this as causing massive problems for scouts trying to fit it, as most biotic modules for scouts, which is our life blood, are extremely pg intensive, not to mention shields and ferroscales. The Pg costs for the cloak need to be lowered for them to be able to be fitted on scouts who want to use shield modules or kincats, and perhaps raise the cpu cost if you beleive that it is too easy to fit on other suits. Currently, I probably wont even be able to fit the cloak on my minja, due to its low pg levels and high pg demands of the cloak. Please fellow scouts, recognize this problem and assist me in this. What is the new scout bonus?
I did take that into account, however it is not enough for the pg usage of the cloak. Cpu usage is fine, but the pg usage is far to high to be usable by scouts who want to be able to sprint fast.
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
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Posted - 2014.01.23 23:20:00 -
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This is my dream fitting with skills maxed out on my minmitar scout.
k5 specialist shotgun-8 pg (I beleive)
Submachine gun-3 pg
3x Complex Shield extenders-33 pg total
1x Complex profile dampener-0 pg (thankfully)
2xComplex kinetic catalyzers-30 pg total
Stable active scanner-6 pg
This comes out to a total of 80 pg already, which is the amount a minmitar scout has at maxed out fitting skills
Cloak- now unfittable 
EDIT: Is it a reasonable request to fit these said items, and a cloak?
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
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Posted - 2014.01.23 23:28:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:First lesson all the best omni-soldiers learn quickly.
No suit no matter how much you wish it so; cannot do everything at the same time.
Also, I dont think i'm trying to do everything by having 3 of the weakest type of hp module in the game so i dont get 2 shotted by a railrifle, a non-proto specialist weapon, a basic sidearm, and 2 prototype sprint enhancers. It is all built around one goal- staying fast, and mobile in combat, while being able to move quickly between encounters. No disrespect intended, I just think that this type of build that the minmitar scout was designed for should be encouraged and not impossible to attain.
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
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Posted - 2014.01.23 23:29:00 -
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Scott Knight wrote:I don't think you should be able to have your dream fitting. The cloak still needs to be balanced.
True, but on my scout, I won't even be able to run a basic cloak, with a maxed out scout skill.
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Posted - 2014.01.23 23:30:00 -
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Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Pete B wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:The CPU to Pg usage in my opinion is imbalanced. CCP said that the cloak would be CPU intensive, however at the rate of 1 pg is worth about 4.7-5.2 cpu on a proto dropsuit, the Pg level is actually higher than cpu, and I can foresee this as causing massive problems for scouts trying to fit it, as most biotic modules for scouts, which is our life blood, are extremely pg intensive, not to mention shields and ferroscales. The Pg costs for the cloak need to be lowered for them to be able to be fitted on scouts who want to use shield modules or kincats, and perhaps raise the cpu cost if you beleive that it is too easy to fit on other suits. Currently, I probably wont even be able to fit the cloak on my minja, due to its low pg levels and high pg demands of the cloak. Please fellow scouts, recognize this problem and assist me in this. What is the new scout bonus? I did take that into account, however it is not enough for the pg usage of the cloak. Cpu usage is fine, but the pg usage is far to high to be usable by scouts who want to be able to sprint fast. Really? I theory crafted a few of my current fits with the cloak and it was quite reasonable. and I tend to overestimate to account for my usual stupidity. I may have to add another level of engineering at some point but it certainly is passable. Also I think a lot of scouts will be running a dampener / range amplifiers, which currently has no PG usage. Then again, in terms of mobility I prefer Cardiac Regs over Kin Cats. Also depending on the 'shimmer' I think it may be best to move slower - our vision, despite our ability to see colour, is still quite movement orientated so a faster object is easier to track at range
Read my post about my ability to fit modules if i use basic/adv specialist weaponry, along with even a basic cloak.
EDIT: try to replace the scanner with a basic cloak:not enough pg. Basic cloak pg=8.75 at maxed out scout skill.
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
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Posted - 2014.01.23 23:33:00 -
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Please dont make me have to spec into gallente to have a viable scout...ill be very sad, as i just recently got m scout level 4 and shield extenders 5...
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Posted - 2014.01.23 23:37:00 -
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Scout Registry wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:This is my dream fitting with skills maxed out on my minmitar scout. k5 specialist shotgun-8 pg (I beleive) Submachine gun-3 pg 3x Complex Shield extenders-33 pg total 1x Complex profile dampener-0 pg (thankfully) 2xComplex kinetic catalyzers-30 pg total Stable active scanner-6 pg This comes out to a total of 80 pg already, which is the amount a minmitar scout has at maxed out fitting skills Cloak- now unfittable EDIT: Is it a reasonable request to fit these said items, and a cloak? I personally don't a Shotgun Scout should find it easy to Shield Tank, Speed Tank and Profile Tank (?) simultaneously. If you wish to be speedy and durable, don't run cloak. If you to invisible, trade some of your speed and/or durability. Asking for everything all the time is kinda like asking to be a GalLogi. I very much appreciate the approach CCP has taken in limiting Scout "OP Potential" through CPU and PG. This affords us much more flexibility in our design choices than would the formerly proposed reduction/limitation of slots.
The profile dampener is to put me under proto scanners, I know nothing other than speed tanking, its all im good at. Please at least let the minja have a buff in pg or something . Right now, Im going to just have to spec into gallente so i can shield, armor, speed, and profile tank with no sacrifices...
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
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Posted - 2014.01.23 23:47:00 -
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Gallente max pg=74x1.3=96.2
minmitar max pg=62x1.3=80.6
Gallente fitting
same weapons=11 pg
3x kincats=45 pg
1x shield=11
1x damage=9
1x ferroscale=IDK
stable scanner=6 pg
claok=8.75 pg
total=90.75+ferroscale pg
And now the gallente outruns the minmitar scout, has same profile dampening, a negligible amount of hp less, better scan, can fit a cloak, and the minmitar gets left in the dust..... i might as well delete my character now, as there is nothing to look forward to...
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
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Posted - 2014.01.23 23:49:00 -
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Teilka Darkmist wrote:First, PG and CPU aren't related to each other, there is no ratio of PG to CPU.
Second, Cloak should take loads of PG, it makes you invisible, that should be an enormous power drain.
Please dont comment if you dont know what you are talking about. At proto level, for every 1 pg a suit has, there is an average of about 4.7-5.2 cpu for that 1 pg. That is my ratio that i refer to, and use that to judge worth.
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Posted - 2014.01.24 01:44:00 -
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Teilka Darkmist wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Teilka Darkmist wrote:First, PG and CPU aren't related to each other, there is no ratio of PG to CPU.
Second, Cloak should take loads of PG, it makes you invisible, that should be an enormous power drain. Please dont comment if you dont know what you are talking about. At proto level, for every 1 pg a suit has, there is an average of about 4.7-5.2 cpu for that 1 pg. That is my ratio that i refer to, and use that to judge worth. Just because you can take a very limited set of data and see a pattern, doesn't mean that one is there. Power does not create CPU. Try changing the PSU in a PC to one that puts out more power and see if that makes any difference to the CPU at all. Also, dropsuit PG and CPU levels have no correlation to module PG and CPU levels. One is output, what is produced by the systems in the suit and the other is input, what is needed for that item to work.
I never said that they converted. This is a video game not real life. I simply said that for suits there is a ratio of importance, as in 1 pg != 1 cpu, 1pg >= 4.7 cpu && 1 pg<=5.2 cpu. That is ALL that I am saying. Please discontinue your irrational and off topic conversation.
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Posted - 2014.01.24 01:45:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Engineering and Electronics skills, do you even use them?
I based these calculations on the assumption of maxed out fittings skills.
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Posted - 2014.01.24 01:54:00 -
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Here is what I would really like people to take away from this thread (incoherent as my various points were)
Using the lowest fitting cost equipment available for each type in each weapon and equipment slot, (excluding the k5 specialist shotgun, as the basic shotgun has a slightly lower fitting cost), for the items i wish to fit, with maxed out skills, I must still use a Pg enhancer in one of my extremely valuable low slots in order to fit a cloak on my Minmitar scout. All I ask of the readers of this thread is to acknowelege the disparities that now exist between the lowest fitting scout (Minmitar), and the highest fitting scout (Gallente). Because of the extreme disparity in dropsuit fittings between the two races, with maxed out skills, weaponry and equipment of the lowest fitting values, and prototype modules neccessary for survival, the minmitar scout is unable to fit even a basic cloak.
Please (respectfully) comment on your opinion of this, instead of my OP, as this statement is much more coherent and understandable in regards to my main point.
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Posted - 2014.01.24 03:02:00 -
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Matticus Monk wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Scout Registry wrote:
I personally don't a Shotgun Scout should find it easy to Shield Tank, Speed Tank and Profile Tank (?) simultaneously.
If you wish to be speedy and durable, don't run cloak.
If you to invisible, trade some of your speed and/or durability.
Asking for everything all the time is kinda like asking to be a GalLogi.
I very much appreciate the approach CCP has taken in limiting Scout "OP Potential" through CPU and PG. This affords us much more flexibility in our design choices than would the formerly proposed reduction/limitation of slots.
The profile dampener is to put me under proto scanners, I know nothing other than speed tanking, its all im good at. Please at least let the minja have a buff in pg or something . Right now, Im going to just have to spec into gallente so i can shield, armor, speed, and profile tank with no sacrifices... If the Gallente scout can do all of this then it's OP. No scout, or any suit for that matter, should be able to cloak, brick tank, speed tank and have a low enough scan profile to dodge proto scanners without modues..... That is ridiculously OP.... as a Gallente scout for the past year, this is the last thing I want to see. And scouts, by my opinion, shouldn't survive more than a few rounds from a rail rifle.... that's why we need the sneakz.... I hope that CCP tweaks some of stats of the suit to prevent OP fittings from being realized. All suits need to make fitting sacrifices in some areas to have strengths in others.... I'm not saying that some fittings won't be synergistic and have two strong points at once, but honestly looking at the news stats of the 4 new scouts suits, Gallente seems superior and it makes me sad. And really, none of the others seem 'bad' to me.... I'm having a hard time deciding between Gal and Min....
The idea behind what i want for the minmitar suit is simple-the ability to shield tank as far as the suit can go to survive when knifing or shotgunning someone from behind, having them turn around spraying with their rifle/HMG, and having the ability to survive the first 2-3 bullets that will undoubtedly hit before I can get into a speed tanking mode, which is just luck and trying to hit with my SMG at the same time. I really like what Ghost Kaisar said, as it very accurately sums up the situation for a minmitar scout. As the lowest HP suit in the game, we NEED the shields to survive the inevitable bullets that will spray from random sources until we can get to cover. The kincats are neccessary as well. The Gallente scout on the other hand doesnt really need to sacrifice anything, as it can equip triple kincats, a cloak, a scanner, and a basic armor plate with ease (not ferroscale- they cost too much), as well as a shield and a damage mod. Now the Gallente scout is faster, Has about equal health (72.6 shield + 93.5 armor+ plus 30 more base health comes out to just 416.1 total HP for a gallente using this build, whereas minmitar with maxed out skills and triple complex shield is 430.3) and they have to dedicate a low slot to a complex profile dampener to have same dB as a gallente, and using their other two low slots for kincats, they still arent as fast as the previously mentioned Gallente. Then, on top of that, the Gallente gets 3 armor per second, a cloak, and a complex damage mod to top it off.
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
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Posted - 2014.01.24 03:19:00 -
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Just to do a clean and easy to read comparison-
Both races are using a k5 specialist shotgun, a STD SMG, and a stable active scanner, and it is assumed that fitting skills are maxed out.
Minmitar-
3x SE's
2x KC's
1x PD
Gallente-
3x KC's
1x STD armor plate
1x PRO DM
1x PRO SE
Now to compare the stats:
Minmitar-
Total HP-430.3, 14.2 higher than Gallente, or less than one bullet from an unmodded, STD HMG
No Damage Mod- Does less damage than Gallente
Speed=7.91x1.05x1+(.24x1.05)=about 10.39 m/s
hacking speed-26.25% faster hacking at maximum skills
dB- equal to Gallente, able to dodge non focused proto scanner
Less scan radius than Gallente (If someone is willing to do the math, please go for it)
Cannot fit a cloak
Gallente-
Total HP-416.1, 14.2 less than Minmitar
Does more damage due to added PRO DM ( not sure on the DM's in 1.8; they are being readjusted)
Speed=7.68x1.05x.98x1+(.12x3x1.05)=about 10.74 m/s or about a third of a meter per second faster than minmitar
dB- equal to minmitar
Able to fit a basic cloak
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
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Posted - 2014.01.24 03:56:00 -
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OZAROW wrote:Well I'm not gonna crunch the numbers an comparison s but could you not worry about the complex dampener an just use the 25%from the cloak?
23.62 will be your profile with the 10% passive profile reduction plus the cloak bonus, this should allow two kin cats and a pg, or run a pg and CPU an one kin, still runs 9.36 with better weapons, or run adv cloak an better gear .
No?
I normally agree with you but I already crunched the numbers. The way CCP applies bonuses are that they apply, generate a new value, then apply again. Example-scout base db=35, multiply by .75=26.25 which beats a proto active scanner, but now the problem is gallogis, which will override this, and due to the amount of FoTM' ing into GalLogi, this suit is bound to be seen on the battlefield, especially against organized squads. now we take 26.25 and multiply by .75 and we get 19.6875, which is below everything but a focused scanner. That is my math. Also, to play devil's advocate, why SHOULD Minmitar have to put a pg in a low slot, where a Gallente doesn't and can still outperform the minmitar?
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
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Posted - 2014.01.24 04:42:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:OZAROW wrote:Well I'm not gonna crunch the numbers an comparison s but could you not worry about the complex dampener an just use the 25%from the cloak?
23.62 will be your profile with the 10% passive profile reduction plus the cloak bonus, this should allow two kin cats and a pg, or run a pg and CPU an one kin, still runs 9.36 with better weapons, or run adv cloak an better gear .
No? I normally agree with you but I already crunched the numbers. The way CCP applies bonuses are that they apply, generate a new value, then apply again. Example-scout base db=35, multiply by .75=26.25 which beats a proto active scanner, but now the problem is gallogis, which will override this, and due to the amount of FoTM' ing into GalLogi, this suit is bound to be seen on the battlefield, especially against organized squads. now we take 26.25 and multiply by .75 and we get 19.6875, which is below everything but a focused scanner. That is my math. Also, to play devil's advocate, why SHOULD Minmitar have to put a pg in a low slot, where a Gallente doesn't and can still outperform the minmitar? The actual math: (35 GÇó .9) GÇó (1 - .25) = 23.62 Why do I have to use a CPU enhancer on my Gal fitting for the cloak?.
i forgot the skill reduction, thanks for that. And i dont beleive that you do, but ill double check it, really quickly if you would like.
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
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Posted - 2014.01.24 04:54:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:OZAROW wrote:Well I'm not gonna crunch the numbers an comparison s but could you not worry about the complex dampener an just use the 25%from the cloak?
23.62 will be your profile with the 10% passive profile reduction plus the cloak bonus, this should allow two kin cats and a pg, or run a pg and CPU an one kin, still runs 9.36 with better weapons, or run adv cloak an better gear .
No? I normally agree with you but I already crunched the numbers. The way CCP applies bonuses are that they apply, generate a new value, then apply again. Example-scout base db=35, multiply by .75=26.25 which beats a proto active scanner, but now the problem is gallogis, which will override this, and due to the amount of FoTM' ing into GalLogi, this suit is bound to be seen on the battlefield, especially against organized squads. now we take 26.25 and multiply by .75 and we get 19.6875, which is below everything but a focused scanner. That is my math. Also, to play devil's advocate, why SHOULD Minmitar have to put a pg in a low slot, where a Gallente doesn't and can still outperform the minmitar? The actual math: (35 GÇó .9) GÇó (1 - .25) = 23.62 Why do I have to use a CPU enhancer on my Gal fitting for the cloak?. i forgot the skill reduction, thanks for that. And i dont beleive that you do, but ill double check it, really quickly if you would like. First, you would have to know what I am running on my fitting in order to "check it". Second, I've already posted this argument before, on page 2, which you ignored. I have already run the math, and I do indeed need a CPU enhancer to run my fitting.
Oh sorry this is the wrong thread... Ill post the fit that I was basing my calculations on... one second please.
EDIT: here it is
Just did a mathmatical comparison of the Gallente and Minmitar scout at maximum skill level, and here are the finidings
Just to do a clean and easy to read comparison-
Both races are using a k5 specialist shotgun, a STD SMG, and a stable active scanner, and it is assumed that all skills are maxed out.
Minmitar-
-3x SE's
-2x KC's
-1x PD
Gallente-
-3x KC's
-1x STD armor plate
-1x PRO DM
-1x PRO SE
Now to compare the stats:
Minmitar-
-Total HP-430.3, 14.2 higher than Gallente, or less than one bullet from an unmodded, STD HMG
-No armor repair HP
-No Damage Mod- Does less damage than Gallente
-Speed=7.91x1.05x1+(.24x1.05)=about 10.39 m/s
-hacking speed-26.25% faster hacking at maximum skills
-dB- equal to Gallente, able to dodge non focused proto scanner
-Less scan radius than Gallente by 25%
-Does 25% more damage with nova knives
-Cannot fit a cloak
Gallente-
-Total HP-416.1, 14.2 less than Minmitar
-Has 3 hp/second repair to armor
-Does more damage due to added PRO DM ( not sure on the DM's in 1.8; they are being readjusted)
-Speed=7.68x1.05x.98x1+(.12x3x1.05)=about 10.74 m/s or about a third of a meter per second faster than minmitar
-dB- equal to minmitar
-25% more scan radius than Minmitar
-Able to fit a basic cloak
While I dont mind the Gallente scout having what it has, I do mind that the minmitar is unable to fit a cloak with max fittings, while sacrificing so much just to be comparable to the Gallente scout.
Please understand that Im normally not this whiny, I just noticed this disparity, and sought what the general opinion was of veterans who have been running scouts far longer than I.
I already checked to see if these fittings fit, and they do.
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
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Posted - 2014.01.24 04:58:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Pete B wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:The CPU to Pg usage in my opinion is imbalanced. CCP said that the cloak would be CPU intensive, however at the rate of 1 pg is worth about 4.7-5.2 cpu on a proto dropsuit, the Pg level is actually higher than cpu, and I can foresee this as causing massive problems for scouts trying to fit it, as most biotic modules for scouts, which is our life blood, are extremely pg intensive, not to mention shields and ferroscales. The Pg costs for the cloak need to be lowered for them to be able to be fitted on scouts who want to use shield modules or kincats, and perhaps raise the cpu cost if you beleive that it is too easy to fit on other suits. Currently, I probably wont even be able to fit the cloak on my minja, due to its low pg levels and high pg demands of the cloak. Please fellow scouts, recognize this problem and assist me in this. What is the new scout bonus? I did take that into account, however it is not enough for the pg usage of the cloak. Cpu usage is fine, but the pg usage is far to high to be usable by scouts who want to be able to sprint fast. On my Gallente scout, to fit the proto cloak and the rest of the suit the way I wanted it, I had to sub my complex kin cat for a CPU enhancer. I think that the CPU should be decreased and the PG should be increased (not really I'm fine with the CPU chip  ). Your post was terrible. So little detail. What cloak are you trying to fit. What is the CPU/PG overage/underage? Did you check the others scout's suit fitting cost, other than the Minja, before you decided that you would go ahead and speak for "all scouts"? Come on man. {edit>>> for clarical errors = damn you auto correct!
Apologies for not responding to your point, I made a more detailed thread about the fittings for minmitar and gallente scouts entitled "The heart of the disparity between the minmitar scout and the gallente scout", and in this thread i talk about the disparities between the two, from a mathematical standpoint.
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
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Posted - 2014.01.24 05:00:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Pete B wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:The CPU to Pg usage in my opinion is imbalanced. CCP said that the cloak would be CPU intensive, however at the rate of 1 pg is worth about 4.7-5.2 cpu on a proto dropsuit, the Pg level is actually higher than cpu, and I can foresee this as causing massive problems for scouts trying to fit it, as most biotic modules for scouts, which is our life blood, are extremely pg intensive, not to mention shields and ferroscales. The Pg costs for the cloak need to be lowered for them to be able to be fitted on scouts who want to use shield modules or kincats, and perhaps raise the cpu cost if you beleive that it is too easy to fit on other suits. Currently, I probably wont even be able to fit the cloak on my minja, due to its low pg levels and high pg demands of the cloak. Please fellow scouts, recognize this problem and assist me in this. What is the new scout bonus? I did take that into account, however it is not enough for the pg usage of the cloak. Cpu usage is fine, but the pg usage is far to high to be usable by scouts who want to be able to sprint fast. On my Gallente scout, to fit the proto cloak and the rest of the suit the way I wanted it, I had to sub my complex kin cat for a CPU enhancer. I think that the CPU should be decreased and the PG should be increased (not really I'm fine with the CPU chip ). Your post was terrible. So little detail. What cloak are you trying to fit. What is the CPU/PG overage/underage? Did you check the others scout's suit fitting cost, other than the Minja, before you decided that you would go ahead and speak for "all scouts"? Come on man. {edit>>> for clarical errors = damn you auto correct!
Apologies for not responding to your point, I made a more detailed thread about the fittings for minmitar and gallente scouts entitled "The heart of the disparity between the minmitar scout and the gallente scout", and in this thread i talk about the disparities between the two, from a mathematical standpoint. Also, I never said that I spoke for all scouts, as I dont.
Also, here is the link for easy reading: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=137946&find=unread
I would like to hear your opinions on this thread.
My proposed fix for this disparity is to add 7 pg to the minmitar suit at proto level, to have a total of 69 pg, and perhaps the gallente scout needs a slight buff to cpu, as well.
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
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Posted - 2014.01.24 05:12:00 -
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[quote=Son-Of A-Gun][quote=Gavr]1lo Pr1nc1p]Gallente-
-3x KC's
-1x STD armor plate
-1x PRO DM
-1x PRO SEQuote:
What in the hell are you smoking? *Shakes his head*
Comp damage mod
Comp shield extender
Kaalakiota RR
Visiam SP
Allotek nanohive
Proto cloak
Comp range amp
2x basic plate
CPU enhancer
Please, if you continue to disagree with me on these things, do so respectfully, that is all i ask. I decided to build my calculations off of a more scoutly build, showing how the gallente scout defeats the minmitar in every single way. My challenge for you now to verify your point is to use the above fitting and try to put something similar on a minmitar. 2x proto weapons, 2x proto equipment, 170 health (in shields or in armor, idc), a proto damage mod, and at least one proto shield extender, and you have to put on a PD to equalize the dB of the Gallente and Minmitar. If this fits, then I will agree with you that the two scouts have 0 disparity. Please show me your numbers as well. Thank you in advance.
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
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