DUST Search - CCP Please provide some Blue to this issue.

Thor Odinson42 wrote:

Kira Lannister wrote:

Thor Odinson42 wrote:

Kira Lannister wrote:

To be honest LOI was busy finishing off RoFL.

When we finally went to war with LOI vs EoN.

Hellstorm and Imperfects fused into Ancient Exiles.

Once teamplayers lost the highground and their forge gun spam, they were destroyed.

I can't be more honest about it.

I was there. You guys all bounced from Hellstorm and left us holding the bag within three days of that war starting.

Eon went on unchecked for a few months. You couldn't hold a district while Eon was active. I remember Cubs swearing he wouldn't allow you guys to hold land.

If not for the FEC war on Eon you guys would be in a similar spot that Fatal Absolution is in now.

THAT'S the truth.

Our team tactics in Hellstorm was unprepared for roof top control, all our slayers got their pilot license and knocked them down.

Their talent couldn't match Hellstorms, Let us not even mention Ancient Exiles. Team Players relied on the roof top too much.

Hellstorm and EoN was in a silent cease fire with one another for months. Your forgetting how much land Hellstorm held. When we finally started the war they did strip us of our land, because we didn't know how to take the city because you had forge guns making an objective unhackable and core locus nades bombarding a hallway. Not to mention the ill coordinated alliance that was LoI.

AE was the tip of the Spear the destroyed TP!!! FEC just gave trouble to the smaller EoN corps. TP just started locking their districts like a bunch of cowards when it got too much for them to handle. Suffering consecutive losses and attacks. They got bullied out.

But you are missing the point. You guys would still be chipping away at those districts if they hadn't quit. With as few guys as you have it would be similar if another FEC type push happened. Could you guys imagine fighting 50+ PC battles a day?

But that won't happen because there aren't enough people interested in PC to participate in such a venture. WHY? Because PC lag and mechanics ran off most of the players willing to participate.

I'm not taking away from what you've been able to accomplish, just as I'll always give props to Eon for what they were able to accomplish.

It's just funny because you guys talk of being bored, no competition, etc. The mechanics of PC are preventing the participation necessary to raise the level of participation. This thread is about what happens in the meantime until those changes are made.

"The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire."

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ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 121	Posted - 2014.01.23 20:14:00 - [31] - Quote Its already spilling over to the pub matches. Squads of people able to lose 10+ proto suits in a match but still get 20,30,40,50+ kills. Granted this makes the guys running cheap stuff feel ok about their loss (Or even win occasionally) but I have sent messages to these proto teams and 9/10 times I get the same response "My corp pays for me to stay in proto" or "I dont have to worry about isk, we generate so much every day through PC" Now that is the game that EVE and DUST are. The only problem is right now we dont have even basic modes to differentiate between the always-proto crowd, the people who have to manage isk a little bit and the casuals / noobs that have no isk or proto. TLDR - everyone should have to at least worry about their isk going down if they want to perma-run proto.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 270	Posted - 2014.01.23 20:14:00 - [32] - Quote Regardless of the truth (or untruth) of how we got here, or who was responsible, the fact remains that PC is broken. Does anyone (other than JL311) deny that? Is it untrue that a very few people control most all of the huge earning power of MH? Is that just the way things are, or should we seek a better solution?
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1119	Posted - 2014.01.23 20:15:00 - [33] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: low genius wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: Renegade Alliance only holds that much land because people would rather QQ than fight. Don't blame RA, blame yourselves for not fighting to take the land. never a truer word spoken. the op want ccp to fight his battles for him. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ICfpjoevP8 Not at all man. The mechanics being changed would lead to more fun in the end for you guys as well. Hell Ariana has a thread going about it. It's just that I don't think CCP has any intention on changing it for quite some time. Shining some light on the realities of it might actually get the average player to understand what's really happening. you should watch the eve vegas dust presentation. they've been dead on target with their timeline. pc 2.0 will come sometime later this year.
JL3Eleven 1653	Posted - 2014.01.23 20:17:00 - [34] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Regardless of the truth (or untruth) of how we got here, or who was responsible, the fact remains that PC is broken. Does anyone (other than JL311) deny that? Is it untrue that a very few people -- who if required to defend their districts in a fair and equitable way would likely not hold nearly as many -- control most all of the huge earning power of MH? Could quote where I said that please. Supercorp: A corporation with the ability to shape and control events and project power on a New Eden-wide scale.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2584	Posted - 2014.01.23 20:19:00 - [35] - Quote low genius wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: low genius wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: Renegade Alliance only holds that much land because people would rather QQ than fight. Don't blame RA, blame yourselves for not fighting to take the land. never a truer word spoken. the op want ccp to fight his battles for him. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ICfpjoevP8 Not at all man. The mechanics being changed would lead to more fun in the end for you guys as well. Hell Ariana has a thread going about it. It's just that I don't think CCP has any intention on changing it for quite some time. Shining some light on the realities of it might actually get the average player to understand what's really happening. you should watch the eve vegas dust presentation. they've been dead on target with their timeline. pc 2.0 will come sometime later this year. The reality is that unless a Dust wide effort to overwhelm your timers for a week or two at the cost of 10s of billions of ISK then you'll go unchecked until new mechanics change the 24 and 48 hour timer crap. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 271	Posted - 2014.01.23 20:20:00 - [36] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Regardless of the truth (or untruth) of how we got here, or who was responsible, the fact remains that PC is broken. Does anyone (other than JL311) deny that? Is it untrue that a very few people -- who if required to defend their districts in a fair and equitable way would likely not hold nearly as many -- control most all of the huge earning power of MH? Could you quote where I said that please. It sure seemed like that what was what you were getting at with your responses thusfar. I apologize if I put words in your mouth, and would encourage to to kindly explain your beliefs on the topic so I don't make that mistake again.... Is PC broken? Thanks...Leadfoot
JL3Eleven 1653	Posted - 2014.01.23 20:23:00 - [37] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Regardless of the truth (or untruth) of how we got here, or who was responsible, the fact remains that PC is broken. Does anyone (other than JL311) deny that? Is it untrue that a very few people -- who if required to defend their districts in a fair and equitable way would likely not hold nearly as many -- control most all of the huge earning power of MH? Could you quote where I said that please. It sure seemed like that what was what you were getting at with your responses thusfar. I apologize if I put words in your mouth, and would encourage to to kindly explain your beliefs on the topic so I don't make that mistake again.... Is PC broken? Thanks...Leadfoot These are my beliefs you can quote me on. Renegade Alliance only holds that much land because people would rather QQ than fight. Don't blame RA, blame yourselves for not fighting to take the land. Supercorp: A corporation with the ability to shape and control events and project power on a New Eden-wide scale.
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 2287	Posted - 2014.01.23 20:30:00 - [38] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Kira Lannister wrote: To be honest LOI was busy finishing off RoFL. When we finally went to war with LOI vs EoN. Hellstorm and Imperfects fused into Ancient Exiles. Once teamplayers lost the highground and their forge gun spam, they were destroyed. I can't be more honest about it. I was there. You guys all bounced from Hellstorm and left us holding the bag within three days of that war starting. Eon went on unchecked for a few months. You couldn't hold a district while Eon was active. I remember Cubs swearing he wouldn't allow you guys to hold land. If not for the FEC war on Eon you guys would be in a similar spot that Fatal Absolution is in now. THAT'S the truth. Our team tactics in Hellstorm was unprepared for roof top control, all our slayers got their pilot license and knocked them down. Their talent couldn't match Hellstorms, Let us not even mention Ancient Exiles. Team Players relied on the roof top too much. Hellstorm and EoN was in a silent cease fire with one another for months. Your forgetting how much land Hellstorm held. When we finally started the war they did strip us of our land, because we didn't know how to take the city because you had forge guns making an objective unhackable and core locus nades bombarding a hallway. Not to mention the ill coordinated alliance that was LoI. AE was the tip of the Spear the destroyed TP!!! FEC just gave trouble to the smaller EoN corps. TP just started locking their districts like a bunch of cowards when it got too much for them to handle. Suffering consecutive losses and attacks. They got bullied out. "The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire." Book of Exiles 1:3
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 29	Posted - 2014.01.23 20:35:00 - [39] - Quote You know, people like me who don't really care have an advantage in this topic. Stop burdening yourselves by caring.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 838	Posted - 2014.01.23 20:54:00 - [40] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Regardless of the truth (or untruth) of how we got here, or who was responsible, the fact remains that PC is broken. Does anyone (other than JL311) deny that? Is it untrue that a very few people -- who if required to defend their districts in a fair and equitable way would likely not hold nearly as many -- control most all of the huge earning power of MH? Could you quote where I said that please. It sure seemed like that what was what you were getting at with your responses thusfar. I apologize if I put words in your mouth, and would encourage to to kindly explain your beliefs on the topic so I don't make that mistake again.... Is PC broken? Thanks...Leadfoot These are my beliefs you can quote me on. Renegade Alliance only holds that much land because people would rather QQ than fight. Don't blame RA, blame yourselves for not fighting to take the land. I think OP's point was that it takes a bunch of ppl who should quit their day job to actually organize the massive push needed and that's a game breaking problem - please, correct me if I am off here. Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!

Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 2290	Posted - 2014.01.23 21:05:00 - [41] - Quote No balance will ever defeat our ability to no life!!!!!!!!!!!! POWERS UP "The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire." Book of Exiles 1:3
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2587	Posted - 2014.01.23 21:07:00 - [42] - Quote Kira Lannister wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Kira Lannister wrote: To be honest LOI was busy finishing off RoFL. When we finally went to war with LOI vs EoN. Hellstorm and Imperfects fused into Ancient Exiles. Once teamplayers lost the highground and their forge gun spam, they were destroyed. I can't be more honest about it. I was there. You guys all bounced from Hellstorm and left us holding the bag within three days of that war starting. Eon went on unchecked for a few months. You couldn't hold a district while Eon was active. I remember Cubs swearing he wouldn't allow you guys to hold land. If not for the FEC war on Eon you guys would be in a similar spot that Fatal Absolution is in now. THAT'S the truth. Our team tactics in Hellstorm was unprepared for roof top control, all our slayers got their pilot license and knocked them down. Their talent couldn't match Hellstorms, Let us not even mention Ancient Exiles. Team Players relied on the roof top too much. Hellstorm and EoN was in a silent cease fire with one another for months. Your forgetting how much land Hellstorm held. When we finally started the war they did strip us of our land, because we didn't know how to take the city because you had forge guns making an objective unhackable and core locus nades bombarding a hallway. Not to mention the ill coordinated alliance that was LoI. AE was the tip of the Spear the destroyed TP!!! FEC just gave trouble to the smaller EoN corps. TP just started locking their districts like a bunch of cowards when it got too much for them to handle. Suffering consecutive losses and attacks. They got bullied out. But you are missing the point. You guys would still be chipping away at those districts if they hadn't quit. With as few guys as you have it would be similar if another FEC type push happened. Could you guys imagine fighting 50+ PC battles a day? But that won't happen because there aren't enough people interested in PC to participate in such a venture. WHY? Because PC lag and mechanics ran off most of the players willing to participate. I'm not taking away from what you've been able to accomplish, just as I'll always give props to Eon for what they were able to accomplish. It's just funny because you guys talk of being bored, no competition, etc. The mechanics of PC are preventing the participation necessary to raise the level of participation. This thread is about what happens in the meantime until those changes are made. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 2290	Posted - 2014.01.23 21:08:00 - [43] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Kira Lannister wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Kira Lannister wrote: To be honest LOI was busy finishing off RoFL. When we finally went to war with LOI vs EoN. Hellstorm and Imperfects fused into Ancient Exiles. Once teamplayers lost the highground and their forge gun spam, they were destroyed. I can't be more honest about it. I was there. You guys all bounced from Hellstorm and left us holding the bag within three days of that war starting. Eon went on unchecked for a few months. You couldn't hold a district while Eon was active. I remember Cubs swearing he wouldn't allow you guys to hold land. If not for the FEC war on Eon you guys would be in a similar spot that Fatal Absolution is in now. THAT'S the truth. Our team tactics in Hellstorm was unprepared for roof top control, all our slayers got their pilot license and knocked them down. Their talent couldn't match Hellstorms, Let us not even mention Ancient Exiles. Team Players relied on the roof top too much. Hellstorm and EoN was in a silent cease fire with one another for months. Your forgetting how much land Hellstorm held. When we finally started the war they did strip us of our land, because we didn't know how to take the city because you had forge guns making an objective unhackable and core locus nades bombarding a hallway. Not to mention the ill coordinated alliance that was LoI. AE was the tip of the Spear the destroyed TP!!! FEC just gave trouble to the smaller EoN corps. TP just started locking their districts like a bunch of cowards when it got too much for them to handle. Suffering consecutive losses and attacks. They got bullied out. But you are missing the point. You guys would still be chipping away at those districts if they hadn't quit. With as few guys as you have it would be similar if another FEC type push happened. Could you guys imagine fighting 50+ PC battles a day? But that won't happen because there aren't enough people interested in PC to participate in such a venture. WHY? Because PC lag and mechanics ran off most of the players willing to participate. I'm not taking away from what you've been able to accomplish, just as I'll always give props to Eon for what they were able to accomplish. It's just funny because you guys talk of being bored, no competition, etc. The mechanics of PC are preventing the participation necessary to raise the level of participation. This thread is about what happens in the meantime until those changes are made. We are the chosen. #Patriotism#YOLO#INDENIAL "The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire." Book of Exiles 1:3
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 2294	Posted - 2014.01.23 21:11:00 - [44] - Quote Old McKujo had a farm... "The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire." Book of Exiles 1:3
DAMIOS82 ACME SPECIAL FORCES Legacy Rising 81	Posted - 2014.01.23 21:59:00 - [45] - Quote The way i see it, AE deserves the spoils of war. For no matter how one puts it, no matter how much one cry's about it. AE conquered most of molden heat. Eon was perhaps indeed a rulling corp in the olden days, but like so many others they no longer exist, no matter what the reason and yes you can say ...blablabla what if, but what ifs aren't getting you anywhere. And if one still does not like it...wel just create an awesome team and take some land back. Other then that all this QQ is pointless. As for the isk, untill ccp changes the system, who ever holds the most land will have the most isk.
tastzlike chicken ROGUE SPADES 114	Posted - 2014.01.23 22:03:00 - [46] - Quote (not directed at the OP) PC is broken. PC has been broken for a long time. Renegade Alliance had to work with the same broken system EoN did. Some have argued that their timing to make a run at Molden Heath favoured their success. -- with the massive efflux of players from organized alliances that had the talent, numbers, and interest to participate in PC having diminished the possibility of a large sustained war effort against such a talented group. That's cynical at best. They fought for their districts and they took them. Period. Their timing was excellent, their efforts were coordinated, and they're good players. Someone else could have organized a similar juggernaut....but, someone else didn't -- Renegade did. Where is the concerted effort to knock off the top dog now? You want the ISK faucet they have? Take it. Bad timers you say? Did anybody in any of the early large alliances not have to set alarms to get up and fight for districts with inconvenient timers? Fix lag. Fix district locking. Fix exploits of the mechanics. These problems have always been there; so, suspend PC because one group is getting rich off of their own efforts and the same broken system we all have to deal with? -I can't get behind that. If PC wasn't jacked-up enough to suspend before (it was) then I'm not sure that the fact that one one group is getting uber-rich now off of their own work adds anything to the argument. I have no personal knowledge of who is or is not locking districts but as a side note: the concern about district locking was raised on the same day the PC devblog was released (March something 2013) it was supposed to be an unprofitable and therefore unsustainable tactic. What happened to that?
Marad''er Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 544	Posted - 2014.01.23 22:14:00 - [47] - Quote RA only holds about 50%... Regardless I will agree that PC generates so much isk that it will break the dust economy once open market comes out. GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 4 \| pâÅpéñpâápü»tºüpü«µëôµÆâpéÆF¦ápüúpüªpüäpéï \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
mollerz Minja Scouts 2094	Posted - 2014.01.23 22:25:00 - [48] - Quote I can't see a player market working with a few players that hold that much uncontested wealth. They can tweak and manipulate for days. CCP really needs to make some adjustments, and cut that **** down as well as trade something nice and shiny for the trouble of taking the economy breaking wealth back. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1120	Posted - 2014.01.24 01:33:00 - [49] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: low genius wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: Renegade Alliance only holds that much land because people would rather QQ than fight. Don't blame RA, blame yourselves for not fighting to take the land. never a truer word spoken. the op want ccp to fight his battles for him. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ICfpjoevP8 Not at all man. The mechanics being changed would lead to more fun in the end for you guys as well. Hell Ariana has a thread going about it. It's just that I don't think CCP has any intention on changing it for quite some time. Shining some light on the realities of it might actually get the average player to understand what's really happening. honestly, the thing you're missing is: when those other corporations held molden heath they made a LOT more money than we are per day. we'd have to hold our current percentage of the region for 8 months to even catch up with teamplayers, just as an example. they were pulling 8 mil per day after all. i'm not saying pc needs some help, it certainly does, but getting rid of pc the way it works now is backwards.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1120	Posted - 2014.01.24 01:34:00 - [50] - Quote mollerz wrote: I can't see a player market working with a few players that hold that much uncontested wealth. They can tweak and manipulate for days. CCP really needs to make some adjustments, and cut that **** down as well as trade something nice and shiny for the trouble of taking the economy breaking wealth back. the player market has very little to do with dust players. those items will be built on the eve side. in that regard the entirety of molden heath produces very little isk.

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2597	Posted - 2014.01.24 02:14:00 - [51] - Quote low genius wrote: mollerz wrote: I can't see a player market working with a few players that hold that much uncontested wealth. They can tweak and manipulate for days. CCP really needs to make some adjustments, and cut that **** down as well as trade something nice and shiny for the trouble of taking the economy breaking wealth back. the player market has very little to do with dust players. those items will be built on the eve side. in that regard the entirety of molden heath produces very little isk. It's going to be a while before that happens. I have two industrial characters in Eve that could easily produce enough proto suits, tanks, dropships, etc for my entire corp. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 419	Posted - 2014.01.24 06:22:00 - [52] - Quote Politics like this are what I love about Dust. But on a serious note, what exactly are the "broken mechanics" of PC you're talking about? I understand district locking is definitely not working as intended, but AE doesn't lock districts..... As for PC lag, I can honestly say it's not that bad. I have bad lag about as frequently as I lag in pub matches. Although I do hard-reset in the warbarge during PC's. Or are you saying it's just not right for so few to own so much? I understand this is easy for me to say, being in AE and all, but that's life. This game is meant to be a winner-take-all survival of the fittest venture. We're legitimately holding the districts we have, which are all open to attack. Sorry, but i'm confused. What exactly do you want to happen to PC's? Who cares what some sniper has to say
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2601	Posted - 2014.01.24 14:01:00 - [53] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: Politics like this are what I love about Dust. But on a serious note, what exactly are the "broken mechanics" of PC you're talking about? I understand district locking is definitely not working as intended, but AE doesn't lock districts..... As for PC lag, I can honestly say it's not that bad. I have bad lag about as frequently as I lag in pub matches. Although I do hard-reset in the warbarge during PC's. Or are you saying it's just not right for so few to own so much? I understand this is easy for me to say, being in AE and all, but that's life. This game is meant to be a winner-take-all survival of the fittest venture. We're legitimately holding the districts we have, which are all open to attack. Sorry, but i'm confused. What exactly do you want to happen to PC's? Here's one of my posts from a different thread, also Airiana has a post in the feedback section here that is great. The problem with PC is that the mechanics of it allow for small groups of players to dominate it with the 16vs16 and the 24 to 48 hour timers. I donGÇÖt think many people have a real grasp of what that means. When Eon controlled Molden Heath there were very few players doing the heavy lifting when considering the overall number of players involved. Ringing started a situation where you would spend 160-240 million ISK attacking a district. In the last battle to take a district it was guaranteed that the match would be filled with an all-star team. This quickly whittled away at the number of players that were willing to participate and put up with this. By the end of EonGÇÖs reign many corps had pulled completely out of PC. 100s of billions of ISK was being generated with little to no fighting. Corps willing to take that on risked the infighting and implosion that resulted in the death of many corps. There was a push by a random mix of players and corps in an effort called the F Eon Coalition. Massive numbers of attacks were dropped on their districts. Despite the bravado from Eon, they dried up and went inactive within weeks of this push. Districts were sold and traded and farming began. Fast forward a few months and Ancient Exiles and Nyan San control the majority of Molden Heath. You are talking about 200 players with the active numbers much, much lower. These corps are pulling in levels of ISK that is game breaking due to mechanics that are crap. They are great players, amazing even but how long does a game mode sit unfinished while a select few go largely unchecked and racking in more money per day than the vast majority of Dust pulls in COMBINED on a daily basis. IGÇÖve proposed in the War Room to remove passive ISK totally from PC. Districts would be attackable every day with a 30 minute to 1 hr timer beginning at the time of attack. Corps could set a downtime window of 8-12 hours that effectively lock the district. - successful defenses increase a payout multiplier - successful attacks have a 2x multiplier - successful, multi attack district flips increasing exponentially along the way. If IGÇÖve got 80 people only and we want to go do some PC we should be able to launch some attacks and go have some fun. Not launch some attacks and 24 to 48 hours later hope that weGÇÖve got the right people online. I also propose that ringers from outside of the alliance cost ISK, call it a clone transport fee. And it should be expensive. District locking is the only thing keeping Molden Heath from being 100% dominated by an active group of less than 200 players. I agree that itGÇÖs bullshit, but I put that on CCP for a failed game mode. Planetary Conquest should be removed and replaced with corporate battles until PC 2.0 is released. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
Titus Stryker Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 148	Posted - 2014.01.24 20:48:00 - [54] - Quote I could probably get behind a mechanic where instead of having to attack at least 24h in advance, you had to do it at least 3 hours in advance. I think that is reasonable. I want to assure people that AE does not lock districts, we have around 40 districts and as of late only 1 or 2 are attacked per night, though I am not sure by who. Sometimes we get legitimate attacks. We attack as much as we can but a lot of districts are locked. Lastly, in regards to being blue. I like our alliance and the corps within it, I like that we have EVE support (really like this), but I agree 100% that blue with everyone is boring (I was a huge supporter of the FEC). That being said, being blue is not a broken game mechanic like District Locking is, its just lame and boring. So...gather up your forces, rally the troops, call in the lefty and start a war, maybe if you do enough damage you will splinter the corps (remember how ANON fell in the Winter War). AE welcomes war (we don't lock our districts). *Faction Channels for FW Staging* PIE Ground Control \| Caldari Hierarchy \| Turalyon \| Chosen Matari
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 398	Posted - 2014.01.24 21:15:00 - [55] - Quote pc is one broken mechanic built upon another, locking districts and farming isk that you use to pay for the proto gear to stomp pubs. if pc payed a 1/10 of its current it would still be to much. it is a cancer that will cause problems till cured or cut away Proud Christian one of the most essential parts of eve is left out of dust: freedom, exploration, open-world gameplay.
NobIesse Oblige Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 80	Posted - 2014.01.25 15:47:00 - [56] - Quote Kira Lannister wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Kira Lannister wrote: To be honest LOI was busy finishing off RoFL. When we finally went to war with LOI vs EoN. Hellstorm and Imperfects fused into Ancient Exiles. Once teamplayers lost the highground and their forge gun spam, they were destroyed. I can't be more honest about it. I was there. You guys all bounced from Hellstorm and left us holding the bag within three days of that war starting. Eon went on unchecked for a few months. You couldn't hold a district while Eon was active. I remember Cubs swearing he wouldn't allow you guys to hold land. If not for the FEC war on Eon you guys would be in a similar spot that Fatal Absolution is in now. THAT'S the truth. Our team tactics in Hellstorm was unprepared for roof top control, all our slayers got their pilot license and knocked them down. Their talent couldn't match Hellstorms, Let us not even mention Ancient Exiles. Team Players relied on the roof top too much. Hellstorm and EoN was in a silent cease fire with one another for months. Your forgetting how much land Hellstorm held. When we finally started the war they did strip us of our land, because we didn't know how to take the city because you had forge guns making an objective unhackable and core locus nades bombarding a hallway. Not to mention the ill coordinated alliance that was LoI. AE was the tip of the Spear the destroyed TP!!! FEC just gave trouble to the smaller EoN corps. TP just started locking their districts like a bunch of cowards when it got too much for them to handle. Suffering consecutive losses and attacks. They got bullied out. That's about as revisionist a history as possible...as AE couldn't win matches on bridge maps when only 1 point was controllable with forges anyways. AE until Arirana started glitching? 14-4 vs TP after? a bit closer. After Xero, the shotty twins, imagio, deluxe, and many others quit? That's when AE finally started winning consistently. Then the tourney happened and it was close but our rust was bad and Reg and Legend couldn't carry everyone. The Fact NF owns AE in 95% of matches now proves high ground wasn't why...it was that OG TP > All the corps that make up AE.


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