DUST Search - Strongest argument for why we probably won't get an SP refund.

DUST Fiend wrote:

Tallen Ellecon wrote:

DUST Fiend wrote:

Tallen Ellecon wrote:

Lonewolf Heavy wrote:

3 new heavies and 2 new scouts finally completing the basic set of everyone. They will respect minimum Dropsuit command because now people will have all their basic options available.

Plus i know My minmitar commando and sentinel arent getting nerfed :P

Just like when they released the new rifles..... oh wait.

Ever think they didn't respec rifles because they knew racial symmetry was coming soon, and they could just bundle the respec together, giving everyone a fair shot at the new foundation of DUST?

I hope so.

I'm just playing devils advocate, if we don't get a respec I will just continue to ignore 10+ million SP in heavies because I simply do not like them. Has nothing to do with effectiveness, and honestly, I'll probably just quietly walk away and go play some of these RPGs I've been ignoring in favor of DUST. I don't care enough anymore to cause a stink, I'll just take a much needed break and hope that at some point in the future, the heavy playstyle appeals to me again enough to bother playing it.

As is, it's a complete waste of SP because I simply do not enjoy it.

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Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1297	Posted - 2014.01.23 05:44:00 - [1] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: CCP giving a heads up almost 2 months in advance (check) CCP giving us A SP event This month, and who knows what next month (check) CCP is likely making a killing off skill bosters this month (check) Drop suits stats where over due for a revamp and new suits where over due too and everyone knew it (check) Respec helps vets far more than it dose new players (check) New guns and no AR respc? (check) HTFU + Adapt or die (check) Yeah I don't think we need or deserve a respec, Saw the writing on the wall and after this even i'll have 3mil unalicated SP Past the terrible spelling is wisdom. Unless they change the skill tree, they won't be giving a respec, the last 3 respecs all had skill tree changes. Can't people just be happy we're finally getting new suits and that they have ample time to save up SP before they are released? Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 1258	Posted - 2014.01.23 05:49:00 - [2] - Quote no. they're changing the bonuses for suits AND adding in suits people have literally been waiting months to skill into. why the hell would someone skill amarr assault if not for the the heat up bonus? if they take that, they are taking the MAIN reason anyone skilled into the suit. when you think about it, it is a major change to the skill tree. EVERYTHING is being changed, so a respec is kind of in order. Anime > EVERYTHING
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5886	Posted - 2014.01.23 05:53:00 - [3] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: CCP giving a heads up almost 2 months in advance (check) CCP giving us A SP event This month, and who knows what next month (check) CCP is likely making a killing off skill bosters this month (check) Drop suits stats where over due for a revamp and new suits where over due too and everyone knew it (check) Respec helps vets far more than it dose new players (check) New guns and no AR respc? (check) HTFU + Adapt or die (check) Yeah I don't think we need or deserve a respec, Saw the writing on the wall and after this even i'll have 3mil unalicated SP We were told well in advance about Uprising launch, check CCP gave us an SP event the week before Uprising launched, check We still got a respec, check Vets already have multiple near-full otimized fits, respecs help players in the 5-10 million SP range get competitive fits, check If they were planning to do an infantry respec with 1.8 it wouldn't make sense to do a respec in 1.7 for just new guns, check Accept that a respec is happening, check ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1298	Posted - 2014.01.23 05:53:00 - [4] - Quote We still don't know what changes are being made to the mediums suits in both bonuses and fittings. Like I said, we have been waiting for these suits, they've given us not only notice but also an SP event, there will be plenty of SP for a new suit. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 594	Posted - 2014.01.23 05:54:00 - [5] - Quote If CCP was not completely altering the bonuses (which we specced into our suits for, more or less), people would be more content (but not completely). How is somebody supposed to be happy, when the bonus they spent millions of SP on gets moved to a completely different frame that they can't use? Or gets replaced with something they don't want? It is one thing to just add content. It is another thing to fundamentally alter all existing content in addition to adding more things.
Jackof All-Trades The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 362	Posted - 2014.01.23 05:54:00 - [6] - Quote They're not changing the skill tree...? Oh... Bugger... "Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace \ Omni-Specialist / Focus: Gallente
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 386	Posted - 2014.01.23 05:56:00 - [7] - Quote walks in, sees my name, walks out
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1298	Posted - 2014.01.23 05:57:00 - [8] - Quote My point is simply there isn't enough enough information to guarantee a respec no matter how much people want them. They will always be adding new content and altering stats. They only give repecs when they change skill costs and the skill tree. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6536	Posted - 2014.01.23 05:58:00 - [9] - Quote Reasons why SP refund for Dropsuit Command is likely: 1. Dropsuit bonuses being rearranged [BIG TIME] - (Check) 2. Racial Symmetry [you call it "parity"] across all dropsuit classes and Sidearms - (check) Enough said. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1298	Posted - 2014.01.23 06:00:00 - [10] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Reasons why SP refund for Dropsuit Command is likely: 1. Dropsuit bonuses being rearranged [BIG TIME] - (Check) 2. Racial Symmetry [you call it "parity"] across all dropsuit classes and Sidearms - (check) Enough said. Neither of those things was a reason for the last 3 respecs. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10273	Posted - 2014.01.23 06:14:00 - [11] - Quote This is going to be my favorite respec honestly. I am going to change my sig and drop I-told-you-so's all over the forums. I may even make a music video. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1298	Posted - 2014.01.23 06:18:00 - [12] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: This is going to be my favorite respec honestly. I am going to change my sig and drop I-told-you-so's all over the forums. I may even make a music video. Don't get me wrong, I'd love a respec, I've got 2mil in junk I'd love to move. If idiots jump on the next FOTM I don't care, I'll just I-told-you-so them when the nerf hammer comes. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10274	Posted - 2014.01.23 06:19:00 - [13] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: This is going to be my favorite respec honestly. I am going to change my sig and drop I-told-you-so's all over the forums. I may even make a music video. Don't get me wrong, I'd love a respec, I've got 2mil in junk I'd love to move. If idiots jump on the next FOTM I don't care, I'll just I-told-you-so them when the nerf hammer comes. I want out of my overly buffed heavy and into those sexy new scouts. Gallente scout for life. Sooooooooooooooo much more fun, and way better for my solo tendencies. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1299	Posted - 2014.01.23 06:22:00 - [14] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: This is going to be my favorite respec honestly. I am going to change my sig and drop I-told-you-so's all over the forums. I may even make a music video. Don't get me wrong, I'd love a respec, I've got 2mil in junk I'd love to move. If idiots jump on the next FOTM I don't care, I'll just I-told-you-so them when the nerf hammer comes. I want out of my overly buffed heavy and into those sexy new scouts. Gallente scout for life. Sooooooooooooooo much more fun, and way better for my solo tendencies. I can never be disappointed speccing into Gallente gear. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10274	Posted - 2014.01.23 06:22:00 - [15] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: This is going to be my favorite respec honestly. I am going to change my sig and drop I-told-you-so's all over the forums. I may even make a music video. Don't get me wrong, I'd love a respec, I've got 2mil in junk I'd love to move. If idiots jump on the next FOTM I don't care, I'll just I-told-you-so them when the nerf hammer comes. I want out of my overly buffed heavy and into those sexy new scouts. Gallente scout for life. Sooooooooooooooo much more fun, and way better for my solo tendencies. I can never be disappointed speccing into Gallente gear. One Ring to rule them all? I think they meant one Race Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
calvin b Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 1411	Posted - 2014.01.23 06:23:00 - [16] - Quote No its BS. I was not given the choice of suit or weapon when I joined. It was all cookie cutter and to me that is a slap in the face. Give the players the choice and show they are a better game company. I am just saying there is at least 3 new FTP games coming to PC and PS4 and they are going to dwarf all that CCP has done. I advise them make us happy and a happy customer is a loyal customer. TANK514 another sign of cancer in the game
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6538	Posted - 2014.01.23 06:23:00 - [17] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Reasons why SP refund for Dropsuit Command is likely: 1. Dropsuit bonuses being rearranged [BIG TIME] - (Check) 2. Racial Symmetry [you call it "parity"] across all dropsuit classes and Sidearms - (check) Enough said. Neither of those things was a reason for the last 3 respecs. In that case, we'll just have to wait and see. It's still CCP's call on whether or not they will do a partial SP refund. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Lonewolf Heavy ROGUE SPADES 60	Posted - 2014.01.23 06:23:00 - [18] - Quote 3 new heavies and 2 new scouts finally completing the basic set of everyone. They will respect minimum Dropsuit command because now people will have all their basic options available. Plus i know My minmitar commando and sentinel arent getting nerfed :P Blueberries are delicious and an essential part of my diet ;) Commando/Heavy Willing to PC for anyone for a low price
THE GREY CARDINAL PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 448	Posted - 2014.01.23 06:26:00 - [19] - Quote From another thread. I'll just leave it here for your perusal. THE GREY CARDINAL wrote: Atli Mar aka CCP Praetorian @ EVE Vegas 2013 in response to a question about racial parity in dropsuits: "Every time we do this the cost on rebalance is pretty substantial and of course many in the community have asked us to include--with those kind of substantial changes to the tech tree--respecs and stuff like that. Obviously it's disruptive for the community and us so we want to pile them all together." http://youtu.be/40zjfBk5vEE?t=39m47s Make of that what you will. The fact that it was mentioned is a pretty heavy indicator. Sorry anti respec guys. Electronic Warfare GOD in the making Proud Minmatar
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1299	Posted - 2014.01.23 06:27:00 - [20] - Quote Lonewolf Heavy wrote: 3 new heavies and 2 new scouts finally completing the basic set of everyone. They will respect minimum Dropsuit command because now people will have all their basic options available. Plus i know My minmitar commando and sentinel arent getting nerfed :P Just like when they released the new rifles..... oh wait. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10274	Posted - 2014.01.23 06:28:00 - [21] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Lonewolf Heavy wrote: 3 new heavies and 2 new scouts finally completing the basic set of everyone. They will respect minimum Dropsuit command because now people will have all their basic options available. Plus i know My minmitar commando and sentinel arent getting nerfed :P Just like when they released the new rifles..... oh wait. Ever think they didn't respec rifles because they knew racial symmetry was coming soon, and they could just bundle the respec together, giving everyone a fair shot at the new foundation of DUST? Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1299	Posted - 2014.01.23 06:29:00 - [22] - Quote THE GREY CARDINAL wrote: From another thread. I'll just leave it here for your perusal. THE GREY CARDINAL wrote: Atli Mar aka CCP Praetorian @ EVE Vegas 2013 in response to a question about racial parity in dropsuits: "Every time we do this the cost on rebalance is pretty substantial and of course many in the community have asked us to include--with those kind of substantial changes to the tech tree--respecs and stuff like that. Obviously it's disruptive for the community and us so we want to pile them all together." http://youtu.be/40zjfBk5vEE?t=39m47s Make of that what you will. The fact that it was mentioned is a pretty heavy indicator. Sorry anti respec guys. Okay finally someone has evidence that we'll be getting a respec other than just pure speculation. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1299	Posted - 2014.01.23 06:30:00 - [23] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Lonewolf Heavy wrote: 3 new heavies and 2 new scouts finally completing the basic set of everyone. They will respect minimum Dropsuit command because now people will have all their basic options available. Plus i know My minmitar commando and sentinel arent getting nerfed :P Just like when they released the new rifles..... oh wait. Ever think they didn't respec rifles because they knew racial symmetry was coming soon, and they could just bundle the respec together, giving everyone a fair shot at the new foundation of DUST? I hope so. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10274	Posted - 2014.01.23 06:34:00 - [24] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Lonewolf Heavy wrote: 3 new heavies and 2 new scouts finally completing the basic set of everyone. They will respect minimum Dropsuit command because now people will have all their basic options available. Plus i know My minmitar commando and sentinel arent getting nerfed :P Just like when they released the new rifles..... oh wait. Ever think they didn't respec rifles because they knew racial symmetry was coming soon, and they could just bundle the respec together, giving everyone a fair shot at the new foundation of DUST? I hope so. I'm just playing devils advocate, if we don't get a respec I will just continue to ignore 10+ million SP in heavies because I simply do not like them. Has nothing to do with effectiveness, and honestly, I'll probably just quietly walk away and go play some of these RPGs I've been ignoring in favor of DUST. I don't care enough anymore to cause a stink, I'll just take a much needed break and hope that at some point in the future, the heavy playstyle appeals to me again enough to bother playing it. As is, it's a complete waste of SP because I simply do not enjoy it. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1299	Posted - 2014.01.23 06:36:00 - [25] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Lonewolf Heavy wrote: 3 new heavies and 2 new scouts finally completing the basic set of everyone. They will respect minimum Dropsuit command because now people will have all their basic options available. Plus i know My minmitar commando and sentinel arent getting nerfed :P Just like when they released the new rifles..... oh wait. Ever think they didn't respec rifles because they knew racial symmetry was coming soon, and they could just bundle the respec together, giving everyone a fair shot at the new foundation of DUST? I hope so. I'm just playing devils advocate, if we don't get a respec I will just continue to ignore 10+ million SP in heavies because I simply do not like them. Has nothing to do with effectiveness, and honestly, I'll probably just quietly walk away and go play some of these RPGs I've been ignoring in favor of DUST. I don't care enough anymore to cause a stink, I'll just take a much needed break and hope that at some point in the future, the heavy playstyle appeals to me again enough to bother playing it. As is, it's a complete waste of SP because I simply do not enjoy it. I have 2 screens so when matches get bad I just play Skyrim on my PC. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10274	Posted - 2014.01.23 06:38:00 - [26] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: I have 2 screens so when matches get bad I just play Skyrim on my PC. I do too, but I won't even spawn as my heavy anymore. I'm either flying, running around in my ADV scout, or not playing. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6540	Posted - 2014.01.23 07:14:00 - [27] - Quote I'm a dedicated scout and I know I have at least over 1 million unallocated SP saved in my main with an alt still baking in the oven with the passive SP gain. My alt has about at least 4 million SP invested into it with an approximate 2.5 million unallocated SP being passively added to it by my passive SP. Even if I get a respec, my skills are still going to the scout suits as always. I just want to make sure all other players have a fair chance of respeccing into the racial suit of their choice that wasn't made available earlier. I know a lot of heavies out there who don't like the Amarr but are forced to train into an Amarrian suit and are probably still want to be Gallente or Minmatar or Caldari heavies. The same can be said for scouts as not everyone likes the Gallente or Minmatar scouts just because of their nationality (the Amarr still think we Gallente are nothing but a bunch of sinful heathens and view Minmatar as slaves). OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Cooper Eudaemon DUST University Ivy League 131	Posted - 2014.01.23 07:22:00 - [28] - Quote If they don't give us a respec in 1.8, I'll simply stop playing until they do give us one. Problem solved. I need a break from Dust! I'll just go hop on the forums... I need a break from the forums! I'll just go hop on Dust...


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