DUST Search - Cloaking vs Everything else

KING CHECKMATE wrote:

So , as it is it seems many players are going to blindly get Cloaks and scouts because it seems it will be the new FOTM.
It will be the new FOTM, for a little while that is.........
The thing is, due to high CPU and PG requirements , a scout suit might be needed.
A Scout suit is NOT a med frame, its not a Heavy frame. People are USED to having high HP values, usually 500 or MORE.
Are you REALLY going to CHANGE you playstyle for a piece of equipment?
This is not sarcastic, its an ACTUAL question.

After 1.8 we will have the suits with their bonuses:
Heavies Sentinels : High HP / Bonus Defensive
Heavies Commandos: Double Light weapon / Bonus Offensive + Reload speed
Assaults: Battlefield versatility / Bonus to Modules + Offensive
Logis: Equipment Versatility / Bonus to equipment and equipment fitting cost
Scouts: E-war + Speed / Bonus to cloaks and different Scout Strengths enhanced

People Forget the 1 sec reloads the commandos will have plus damage mod Bonuses. Dont forget the 1300+ RoF of Assault Combat rifles and those 25% Armor/Shield module efficiency the GAl/Cal will get, or the 15% resistance that heavy has to your light weapon...

Overall , this post is to tllthe story of Royal Distaster, an Alt i had which i gave a friend of mine so he could play dust with a higher SP level character.
-He wanted to be a fast assault. He wanted to be able to avoid radars , at least basic ones.
-I told him to get Profile dampening to level 5 and then equip a Cx Profile dampener on his med suit to avoid ADV scanners , which are more common.In the case the enmy had proto scanners, he could tank said med frame and have a better chance.
-He said he didnt want to equip a profile dampener so he would just tank a scout.
-He got Gk.0 scout
-He tanked it (around 700+ HP)
-He Destroyed in Pub matches (ARound 50-3 in some matches and he only had 8 mill SP, 5 K-D ratio consistency)

Until one fateful day....
He played vs an Organized squad.
-He Got scanned for the first time (Proto scanner) and he asked me why he got that message, i told him.Bro those are proto scanners, need to drop a Armor plate and equip a Dampener. He refused,.And got owned since every single enemy red knew where he was. He scout wasnt tanked enough to fight straight on with Med frames and not dampened enough to avoid them. NOR had enough into scanning to make the Passive radar work.MEd game he told me ,ok i'll drop an armor plate for the dampener. He the so delicisous ''SCan attempt prevented'' message , but with 120+ HP lost he just wouldnt win more battles! he now had around 550 HP and it wasnt enough for him to win. HE then got, ''You have been scanned'' message again.He looked at me with horror in his eyes.I told him,bro,you can have your Light assault with some radar performance and some dampening, but you'll never be as Profile dampened and E-War effective as TRUE SCOUTS , and wont be as Hard as an Assault nor have their Aggressive advantages (like having enough HP and speed to run from one objective to another).....
After i told him CCP would probably NEVER give out more respecs (He wanted an Assault), he left the game , forever....

Why do i tell you this short story?

SPECIALLY if we get a Dropsuit Command respec, DO NOT SPEC into what you think the NEXT FOTM will be.

This is NOT a weapon you can level up and just strap on your suit and keep going. This is a Whole new playstyle.
The ''Light assaults'' everybody will want to use will work pretty well on pub matches, but wont be that good in PC where people specialize in stuff. Like say, a Gallente Logi with a Proto scanner? (and its 25% precision bonus?)...yeah...
then while running butt naked with 400 HP (or less) while being followed by 900+ HP Amarr Gallentes you will regret not having skilled into something else.

Cloaks will NOT be a Push to win button. They will be pretty common and they wont help while on cooldown and you have several MEd/Heavy frames behind you.

My whole point is. Test stuff.
Dont spend YOUR SP in a hurry like i always do and then get stuck with stuff that doesnt work how you thought it would....

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Beld Errmon The Southern Legion 1256	Posted - 2014.01.23 12:01:00 - [31] - Quote The next flavor of the month will be heavies, and I'm surprised you still talk in bold despite it being obvious that it makes you look like a douche.
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1490	Posted - 2014.01.23 12:13:00 - [32] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: So , as it is it seems many players are going to blindly get Cloaks and scouts because it seems it will be the new FOTM. It will be the new FOTM, for a little while that is......... The thing is, due to high CPU and PG requirements , a scout suit might be needed. A Scout suit is NOT a med frame, its not a Heavy frame. People are USED to having high HP values, usually 500 or MORE. Are you REALLY going to CHANGE you playstyle for a piece of equipment? This is not sarcastic, its an ACTUAL question. After 1.8 we will have the suits with their bonuses: Heavies Sentinels : High HP / Bonus Defensive Heavies Commandos: Double Light weapon / Bonus Offensive + Reload speed Assaults: Battlefield versatility / Bonus to Modules + Offensive Logis: Equipment Versatility / Bonus to equipment and equipment fitting cost Scouts: E-war + Speed / Bonus to cloaks and different Scout Strengths enhanced People Forget the 1 sec reloads the commandos will have plus damage mod Bonuses. Dont forget the 1300+ RoF of Assault Combat rifles and those 25% Armor/Shield module efficiency the GAl/Cal will get, or the 15% resistance that heavy has to your light weapon... Overall , this post is to tllthe story of Royal Distaster, an Alt i had which i gave a friend of mine so he could play dust with a higher SP level character. -He wanted to be a fast assault. He wanted to be able to avoid radars , at least basic ones. -I told him to get Profile dampening to level 5 and then equip a Cx Profile dampener on his med suit to avoid ADV scanners , which are more common.In the case the enmy had proto scanners, he could tank said med frame and have a better chance. -He said he didnt want to equip a profile dampener so he would just tank a scout. -He got Gk.0 scout -He tanked it (around 700+ HP) -He Destroyed in Pub matches (ARound 50-3 in some matches and he only had 8 mill SP, 5 K-D ratio consistency) Until one fateful day.... He played vs an Organized squad. -He Got scanned for the first time (Proto scanner) and he asked me why he got that message, i told him.Bro those are proto scanners, need to drop a Armor plate and equip a Dampener. He refused,.And got owned since every single enemy red knew where he was. He scout wasnt tanked enough to fight straight on with Med frames and not dampened enough to avoid them. NOR had enough into scanning to make the Passive radar work.MEd game he told me ,ok i'll drop an armor plate for the dampener. He the so delicisous ''SCan attempt prevented'' message , but with 120+ HP lost he just wouldnt win more battles! he now had around 550 HP and it wasnt enough for him to win. HE then got, ''You have been scanned'' message again.He looked at me with horror in his eyes.I told him,bro,you can have your Light assault with some radar performance and some dampening, but you'll never be as Profile dampened and E-War effective as TRUE SCOUTS , and wont be as Hard as an Assault nor have their Aggressive advantages (like having enough HP and speed to run from one objective to another)..... After i told him CCP would probably NEVER give out more respecs (He wanted an Assault), he left the game , forever.... Why do i tell you this short story? SPECIALLY if we get a Dropsuit Command respec, DO NOT SPEC into what you think the NEXT FOTM will be. This is NOT a weapon you can level up and just strap on your suit and keep going. This is a Whole new playstyle. The ''Light assaults'' everybody will want to use will work pretty well on pub matches, but wont be that good in PC where people specialize in stuff. Like say, a Gallente Logi with a Proto scanner? (and its 25% precision bonus?)...yeah... then while running butt naked with 400 HP (or less) while being followed by 900+ HP Amarr Gallentes you will regret not having skilled into something else. Cloaks will NOT be a Push to win button. They will be pretty common and they wont help while on cooldown and you have several MEd/Heavy frames behind you. My whole point is. Test stuff. Dont spend YOUR SP in a hurry like i always do and then get stuck with stuff that doesnt work how you thought it would.... having seen some EHP calculations from scout suits, with the slot layouts, they dont really have that much less EHP, i run 650 ish EHP in every game and its not far fetched that you can easely get 650 ehp out of a scout suit. Now we have not seen the new Assault & Logistics frames, but they might all be designed to have a 9 slot layout total like the calogi now has, if thats the case i dont know, we will have to see. If idd pick up a scout suit, it will be with the 3m sp i am not using from my 32m sp ...not much loss there as i right now have all my SP spend in core & 4 maxed out weapons. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5842	Posted - 2014.01.23 12:18:00 - [33] - Quote Actually, they're losing what, 100 HP from assaults? And a single slot less? (Used to be two but that got buffed) And they get all of these benefits that I really don't see the point in assaults once 1.8 hits. And mind you, people want to remove that ROF bonus and CCP Remnant actually agreed that 25% CPU/PG reduction on weapons is a great idea! Overall, I can deal with 100 less HP, heck I do it all the time when I want to be stealthy in PC in my med frame. (Sorry, in 1.7 med frames do stealth as good with more HP and damage output) Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 19	Posted - 2014.02.04 04:38:00 - [34] - Quote Wait, what's this about the scout suit slot count changed? D: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU And I was just managing to set up my scanning min suit Sighs So much for that... On the other hand... I originally spec'd into the minmatar suits (back when they were brown instead of blue and black... seriously, who's idea was that?) because I figured I'd be able to blend in better with that suit. Didn't work out like I thought it would, but it was fun. Finally managed to get my proto suit recently and have been having fun with it, so I know I won't be speccing into it just for the FOTM as this is what I've been waiting for ever since getting my first scout suit! Hopefully we'll get a full respec though, because I really don't use drop uplinks and my amarr logi will become almost useless after this patch. Oh boy... I hope they don't change the slot count though... I have enough trouble getting what I want on my suit as is... Two equipment slots sounds nice though.
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 848	Posted - 2014.02.04 04:58:00 - [35] - Quote I'll be playing the same way I usually play games. sneak around, get height advantage and gun people down, or gut them with a knife and then disappear like a shadow on the wall to creep along their lines to the next victi..I mean enemy. Ways I play games: 1. Big gun, hallway/cover, vomit bullets towards the enemy until the ground is littered with gore, bodies, and shell casings. 2. Sneaky, wide grin plastered across my face(which has been described as "Creepy as hell" by a guy who ground off his thumbnail with a grinder in metal shop then kept showing it off because it was cool.) 3. EXPLOSION! EXPLOSION! EXPLOSION! 4. OMGKITTY! petpetpetpetpetpetpet. Wait. that guy is shooting at me. KILLHIMTODEATH!!! Yay, kitty! If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core 482	Posted - 2014.02.04 05:04:00 - [36] - Quote What ever happens anyone new or using a basic or milita gear suts are screwed. A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.


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