DUST Search - New Scanner Specs hurt Scouts

Eko Sol wrote:

So I am submitting a case that the new scanning equipment hurt scouts as is. I am assuming that scan profiles will not change for anything else other than scouts so far so keep that in mind when reading the following.

I run min-logi which, although I'm at work and can't remember exactly, I believe has a 50db scan profile. If you run a Complex CPU and PG LS module, have 4 skilled into Dampening, and run an enhanced dampner and cloak simultaneously then you will effectively beat everything but the 20db scanner. If you run a 2 complex damnpers (even though stack is backwards) and a cloak (although that would leave absolutely nothing left) and I assume you have 5 in both electronics and engineering and dampening THEN you would beat the 20db scanner and have cloak. Please correct my math as I have not done a lot of it for this game if I am wrong. I also think that if you do a complex and enhanced (although they stack backwards in that the penalty applies to the complex) I think it comes out just above the 20db mark.

What am I getting at?

Scanners should be able to find everybody BUT the scout IMO or at least that potential needs to exist. I think the scanner should be 18db OR there should be some assurance that non-scout suits have a slight increase in their profile OR a minimum DB cap of 20. The fact that a single complex, 5 in dampnening, and the cloak beats all but one scanner seems to be a little of an issue for me.

I might also just be overthinking.

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Eko Sol 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 71	Posted - 2014.01.22 23:14:00 - [1] - Quote So I am submitting a case that the new scanning equipment hurt scouts as is. I am assuming that scan profiles will not change for anything else other than scouts so far so keep that in mind when reading the following. I run min-logi which, although I'm at work and can't remember exactly, I believe has a 50db scan profile. If you run a Complex CPU and PG LS module, have 4 skilled into Dampening, and run an enhanced dampner and cloak simultaneously then you will effectively beat everything but the 20db scanner. If you run a 2 complex damnpers (even though stack is backwards) and a cloak (although that would leave absolutely nothing left) and I assume you have 5 in both electronics and engineering and dampening THEN you would beat the 20db scanner and have cloak. Please correct my math as I have not done a lot of it for this game if I am wrong. I also think that if you do a complex and enhanced (although they stack backwards in that the penalty applies to the complex) I think it comes out just above the 20db mark. What am I getting at? Scanners should be able to find everybody BUT the scout IMO or at least that potential needs to exist. I think the scanner should be 18db OR there should be some assurance that non-scout suits have a slight increase in their profile OR a minimum DB cap of 20. The fact that a single complex, 5 in dampnening, and the cloak beats all but one scanner seems to be a little of an issue for me. I might also just be overthinking.
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 3140	Posted - 2014.01.22 23:17:00 - [2] - Quote And you're ruining a good portion of your suit while a scout won't really have that issue. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Lorhak Gannarsein 1290	Posted - 2014.01.22 23:28:00 - [3] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: And you're ruining a good portion of your suit while a scout won't really have that issue. Yep, you're definitely overthinking. Happily printing ISK with permahardeners and MLT blasters. Just let me get a couple mil more before nerf, CCP!
Eko Sol 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 71	Posted - 2014.01.22 23:31:00 - [4] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: And you're ruining a good portion of your suit while a scout won't really have that issue. Yep, you're definitely overthinking. I have some fun ideas that I don't think are useless since I do them now and have the CPU/PG room for a new cloak. I swear by grapthars hammer I will come up with logi fits that abuse cloak.
Aizen Intiki OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 730	Posted - 2014.01.22 23:37:00 - [5] - Quote I lol at people who think that fitting cloaks on anything but scouts will be easymode. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5873	Posted - 2014.01.22 23:38:00 - [6] - Quote You kidding? For a medium frame to even dodge an advanced scanner they'll need to use up a low slot for a profile dampener, and how many medium frames would do that over another armor plate or armor repairer? And I doubt many medium suits will use the cloak since they'd have to sacrifice even more low slots to fit it and all the cloak does is serve as a relocation tool. Just some theory crafting, but I'm guessing nearly all medium frames are going to choose armor and armor regen over hiding from dampeners and cloaking. Scouts will still be the main guys avoiding scanners. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Yoma Carrim Situation Normal all fraked up 298	Posted - 2014.01.22 23:43:00 - [7] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: I lol at people who think that fitting cloaks on anything but scouts will be easymode. Scout fitting cost for cloaks Here If you look at the cloak numbers in in of itself the fitting costs are a pain for LOGIS let alone anyone else When you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck Logi, Tanker, Heavy
Gemini Reynolds Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 149	Posted - 2014.01.22 23:46:00 - [8] - Quote shimmershimmerBLAM! Yeah, I don't see a problem here. Abuse away.
Melchiah ARANeAE The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 433	Posted - 2014.01.22 23:48:00 - [9] - Quote Your calculations are correct. However, how much functionality of the suit do you have to sacrifice to use that fitting? Any scout using a cloak will be hidden to anything but a focused scanner. Any scout with level 3 profile damps, 1 enhanced damp and a cloak will hide from focused scanners. A level 5 gal scout with level 3 damps and 1 enhanced damp will hide from a focused scanner whilst uncloaked. All of these fits are viable and would leave lots of room for more good equipment. Also, the new logi equipment CPU/PG cost reduction bonus will not affect the cost of cloaks. We want cake and tea.
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 352	Posted - 2014.01.23 00:07:00 - [10] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: You kidding? For a medium frame to even dodge an advanced scanner they'll need to use up a low slot for a profile dampener, and how many medium frames would do that over another armor plate or armor repairer? And I doubt many medium suits will use the cloak since they'd have to sacrifice even more low slots to fit it and all the cloak does is serve as a relocation tool. Just some theory crafting, but I'm guessing nearly all medium frames are going to choose armor and armor regen over hiding from dampeners and cloaking. Scouts will still be the main guys avoiding scanners. I always run a dampener on my medium frame. But I also run a scout as my main, so I'm adverse to appearing on radar at any time.

Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1842	Posted - 2014.01.23 00:10:00 - [11] - Quote Well considering the sacrifices and the advantages and disadvantages over a scout doing the same... I'm okay with this. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3927	Posted - 2014.01.23 00:10:00 - [12] - Quote Eko Sol wrote: So I am submitting a case that the new scanning equipment hurt scouts as is. I am assuming that scan profiles will not change for anything else other than scouts so far so keep that in mind when reading the following. I run min-logi which, although I'm at work and can't remember exactly, I believe has a 50db scan profile. If you run a Complex CPU and PG LS module, have 4 skilled into Dampening, and run an enhanced dampner and cloak simultaneously then you will effectively beat everything but the 20db scanner. If you run a 2 complex damnpers (even though stack is backwards) and a cloak (although that would leave absolutely nothing left) and I assume you have 5 in both electronics and engineering and dampening THEN you would beat the 20db scanner and have cloak. Please correct my math as I have not done a lot of it for this game if I am wrong. I also think that if you do a complex and enhanced (although they stack backwards in that the penalty applies to the complex) I think it comes out just above the 20db mark. What am I getting at? Scanners should be able to find everybody BUT the scout IMO or at least that potential needs to exist. I think the scanner should be 18db OR there should be some assurance that non-scout suits have a slight increase in their profile OR a minimum DB cap of 20. The fact that a single complex, 5 in dampnening, and the cloak beats all but one scanner seems to be a little of an issue for me. I might also just be overthinking. All scouts will have a base db of 35 The Focused Duvolle scanner is now at 20db. Im happy. GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
Toby Flenderson research lab 211	Posted - 2014.01.23 02:36:00 - [13] - Quote You're title is misleading, this post is not about how the new specs hurt scouts rather than how they are weak enough robe beaten by medium suits as well. Doesn't steal from the scout.


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