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Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1693	Posted - 2014.01.22 22:26:00 - [1] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Forcing logistics into making only one equipment effectively usable is like making assaults and commandos only able to use one type of weapon effectively. All logis need to be able to use all equipment effectively with bonuses to a specific one. Equipment usage was fine (aside from the scanner) and there was no need for nerfs. Where are you getting that they can't use all equipment effectively? 1.8 Sentinels Damage Efficiency Effective HP
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1696	Posted - 2014.01.22 22:46:00 - [2] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: We should nerf ALL the Weapons' DPS by 25% and give the Assault suit a 25% DPS increase in ONLY their corresponding Racial Rifle. Same with heavies, the Amarr and Gall heavies will have to suck it up and wait. Then we should nerf biotics and electronics mods by 25%, then give each scout a 25% bonus to only 1 of them. THIS IS THE LOGIC YOU ARE SUPPORTING! STOP IT! Well 25% is obviously excessive, but if you wish to continue screaming and throwing a tantrum, I won't stop you. This is actually very much like how it works in EVE, where weapons are kind of awful unless you use the right weapon with the right ship and skill into it. This is working as intended. It encourages you to stick to a particular race for each fit in order to optimize benefits and minimize the built in disadvantages. Put a Laser on a Caldari ship and people will laugh and snowballs at you. Dust should be similar though perhaps not quite to the same extreme. The point being that the game should strongly encourage you to use the right weapons, gear, and equipment that have synergy with each other, while allowing you to use these items outside the intended role, but at a cost. And yes you do raise the point that much of this balancing is difficult when we do not have the racial versions of everything fleshed out quite yet. However, development should move as far as it can in this direction while those racial variants are being introduced as time goes on. 1.8 Sentinels Damage Efficiency Effective HP
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1710	Posted - 2014.01.23 17:14:00 - [3] - Quote Seigfried Warheit wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Forcing logistics into making only one equipment effectively usable is like making assaults and commandos only able to use one type of weapon effectively. All logis need to be able to use all equipment effectively with bonuses to a specific one. Equipment usage was fine (aside from the scanner) and there was no need for nerfs. Where are you getting that they can't use all equipment effectively? With the super omega nerf to equipment you cant throw the equipment down unless your that race apparently... Seems you're incredibly misinformed. All logistics get a massive reduction in the fitting cost of equipment, allowing them to use any equipment easily. Effectiveness of equipment is being reduced. Racial bonuses are boosting specific pieces of equipment back up to previous values +. You're perfectly capable of using a repair tool as an Amarr Logistics, but you just won't be as good as a Minmatar Logistics with it. Just like like the Minmatar Logistics can use the uplink, but not as well as the Amarr Logistics. 1.8 Sentinels Damage Efficiency Effective HP
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1710	Posted - 2014.01.23 17:46:00 - [4] - Quote The nerf effectively makes it so Logistics are the BEST at using equipment, it raises their value as support units over an Assault or Scout dropping equipment. The equipment specific bonus is to give every race's logi suit a specific benefit and make all 4 of them valuable in a unique way. 1.8 Sentinels Damage Efficiency Effective HP
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1711	Posted - 2014.01.23 18:15:00 - [5] - Quote RKKR wrote: Don't be suprised that you see more assaults on the field that each carries a different item to replace logis. Except they'll be dealing with higher fitting costs and their equipment will never be as good as a Logi doing the same thing. 1.8 Sentinels Damage Efficiency Effective HP
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1713	Posted - 2014.01.23 18:22:00 - [6] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: RKKR wrote: Don't be suprised that you see more assaults on the field that each carries a different item to replace logis. Except they'll be dealing with higher fitting costs and their equipment will never be as good as a Logi doing the same thing. This. People are continuously trying to throw invalid arguments against the nerf but I haven't met any that made real sense. People just want to be good at everything, and they shouldn't be allowed to. 1.8 Sentinels Damage Efficiency Effective HP
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1713	Posted - 2014.01.23 18:41:00 - [7] - Quote NextDark Knight wrote: Also, Will we be able to deploy supply depots? Hopefully eventually, not in 1.8 though. 1.8 Sentinels Damage Efficiency Effective HP
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1713	Posted - 2014.01.23 19:25:00 - [8] - Quote RKKR wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: RKKR wrote: Don't be suprised that you see more assaults on the field that each carries a different item to replace logis. Except they'll be dealing with higher fitting costs and their equipment will never be as good as a Logi doing the same thing. This. People are continuously trying to throw invalid arguments against the nerf but I haven't met any that made real sense. It's not about being more effective. I have no idea how the game will play, but the question is if logis are really valuable compared to an extra gunplayer on the battlefield if assaults can take care of themselves and heavies can just be safe in a location after some hives are deployed. The value given between a support suit and battle suit seems even more biased to bringing firepower (and spam equipment and forgot about it). But you also assume that the logi has no capacity to fight, which isn't true. A logi is trading slightly increased support effectiveness for slightly decreased combat effectiveness. The reverse it true for assaults, with slightly increased combat effectiveness for slightly decreased support effectiveness. 1.8 Sentinels Damage Efficiency Effective HP
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1713	Posted - 2014.01.23 20:01:00 - [9] - Quote Well don't throw all logis into the same equipment spam filled boat. I think the "pure support" logis are bad logis. They should be just as active as any assault, albeit more cautious and indirect, when it comes to actual combat. It shouldn't be just about "drop uplinks and print money", it should be about being able to carry higher level equipment and more of it, so the assaults can focus their fitting resources more on combat and less on carrying around equipment. Remember, we don't know if they're changing the resources on Assault suits...trying to carry decent equipment could make an assault suffer quite a bit, making Logistics far more valuable than you might think. In the end we'll have to see where the cards fall, but I wouldn't count the usefulness of the Logi suit out just yet. 1.8 Sentinels Damage Efficiency Effective HP

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