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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.01.22 05:25:00 -
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It would be fine if they are but only if AV can also deal effectively with vehicles.
I see ppl who otherwise are terrible at this game brag about their tank 'skills' a lot.
Where is the window of opportunity CCP talked about? A tank is either running hardeners and is invincible or flips on speed modes so that no AV can catch up with it when it's running away except for assault FG.
I hate hypocrisy - if half AV weapons don't do shyte for AV, just removed them from the game, admit that you could not balance things, don't pretend that things are 'fine' or 'as intended'.
Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.22 05:45:00 -
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I personally believe so.
However I feel to compensate for this the HAV should loose its almost ludicrous capacity for anti infantry killing on its main turret.
Since we HAV pilots are gifted with the massive, armoured, mobile hulls capable of fitting the largest guns and most deadly weaponry I feel the HAV should essentially become the end game, demolisher of vehicle vs vehicle combat. Being high skill sink, powerful anti armour, and above all weighty weapons with a moderate to high cost.
That means we reserve the role of top vehicle and anti vehicle combatants as our primary role.
However that is not to say I don't want AV to do its thing. I was Tanks to be fair game. A risky proposal to secure ground vehicle dominance but susceptible to high Alpha weapons like forges and Remotes as well as Plasma Cannon.
IMO the MAV should be brought in as the main Anti infantry vehicle, able to fit small/medium turrets, and designed to roll as mobile bunkers or spawn points, while LAV become the fast movement rapid deployment units.
Each vehicle needs a role. The biggest need to eat the smallest.
HAV > MAV > LAV
(Single skilled or multiple) Infantry AV > HAV > MAV > Infantry AV > etc
Every unit with a role. If people want to take down infantry en masse and pad their KDR then they pick the lighter, more mobile, but of course more susceptible to AV in Medium Attack Vehicle. For this they sacrifice anti vehicle capacity, which is where the Heavy Attack Vehicles excel.
Hmmm not sure if I conveyed this well. But I want tanks to be what tanks are. Mobile fire platforms, resilient, and carrying heavy bunker busting fire power, but not the point where we sit there with blasters farming infantry kills. Each infantry kill in a tank should require decent aim and risk.
MAV would essentially be the Anti Infantry HAV but with lesser module slots, armour/shield, and more focus on say scanning, spawning, resists.
LAV retain their role as early game rapid deployment and scout units, focused on speed, but with weaker armour and fire power options.
AV as small, mobile, and powerful ranged units, susceptible to anti infantry fire, but able to access most parts of the map and dish out reasonable damage against vehicle units.
To every vehicle/ AVer type a role, to every role a counter.
"My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
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Borne Velvalor
Endless Hatred
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Posted - 2014.01.22 07:36:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Atiim wrote:TunRa wrote:
But this is your what, tenth thread on this subject? Really? How many more will you make?
How many more threads will people make about Scouts being underpowered? How many more threads will people make about when a piece of content will be released? How many more threads will be about the changes to suit bonuses? Shall I go further? Anyways, when every vehicle pilot on the DUST 514 Forum agrees to never make a thread involving Vehicles or Anti-Vehicle weaponry again, then I'll agree to never make a thread on the subject again. Until then; "Deal With It." ok. i agree to never post about it again as long as you dont. i dont mind tanks that much right now. it's why Im #1 in every PC battle i play.
There's a certain screenshot floating around of you getting 2nd. 
Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn.
Panda.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2014.01.22 12:09:00 -
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Aizen Intiki wrote:
Well, the only Scout (I'm talking 1.8) that's underpowered is the Amarr one. Also, that piece of content should've probably came out a long time ago. Lastly, all you're doing is poor **** posting and bitchin to the wind.
And just because you said that, I'm going to make a post on how the pilot suit should work. Maybe. Probably.
Please, show me where I am complaining about tanks in this thread, or anything for that matter.
Anyone else have something utterly irrelevant that in no way possible contributes to the thread?
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2014.01.22 12:17:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:shut up atiim. everybody and their mother already explained their feelings on the subject and you're just being a drama queen at this point. move on and qq about combat/rail rifles like the rest of us.
Really? While AV vs. V has been discussed to death, I've seen about 1-2 comments total about whether or not vehicles should be their best counter. Please, link to a discussion where people talk about whether or not vehicles should be their best counter. For I see none
Also. could you possibly be any more of a hypocrite? Or do I need to link your post history from Uprising 1.6 and back?
You couldn't possibly QQ about anything involving a rifle, nor infantry; because your not good enough to do anything but sit in your tank (Your own words exactly).
If your going to spew mindless banter everywhere, could you at least be bothered to put weight behind it?
Next On To-Do List:
Particle Cannons
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Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.22 12:27:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:This would be the umpteenth whine thread by you about tanks. Yes, it really is always about tanks. Give it a rest. More whine threads are not going to make CCP fix things faster. There's a statue in Jita for that. It's not a whine thread at all. It's just asking a question. Just me wanting to see people's opinion on the matter. And the thread isn't just referring to tanks either. I'm not whining about anything here, so I guess that would bring me right back to where I was before you made your irrelevant comment that seems like a bad attempt at trolling. Weren't you fed already?
It's a suggestion.
Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
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