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Xander Mercy
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.21 16:57:00 -
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That thinks the ASCR is fine the way it is and think that the new assault Amarr suits racial bonus is freakin great. I mean my suits are made for surviving drawn out fights while flanking behind enemy lines so i might be a little biased. |
Viktor Hadah Jr
Critical-Impact
2009
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Posted - 2014.01.21 16:59:00 -
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You think spending 2Mil+ SP to get a complex armor rep from 6reps/sec -> 7reps/sec is a good bonus?
At basic level it's like 2.5 --> 2.75. @ lvl 5 amarr assault...
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
2916
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Posted - 2014.01.21 17:02:00 -
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The laser gets yet another indirect nerf with this change. And the scrambler has to be used on a commando to get any kind of improvement.
No.
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Lea Silencio
0uter.Heaven
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1074
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Posted - 2014.01.21 17:03:00 -
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The new Amarr assault bonus will be trash tbh. The suit (and the race to a lesser extent) loses its identity and its uniqueness, not to mention its viability on the battlefield.
PurificationGäó
It's what I do.
Amarr Victor
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Protocake JR
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
1287
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Posted - 2014.01.21 17:06:00 -
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The amarr scout bonus is... lame.
I run Amarr, Minmatard, and Caldari medium suits, flank as much as I can and yet I've never been in a situation where I said "Shucks, if only I could sprint for 3 seconds longer". However, all the other bonuses for the other suits actually improve vital gameplay elements.
Stamina is not a vital gameplay mechanic and I would not be surprised if they gave everyone unlimited stamina and replaced it with a different mechanic such as capacitors for complex maneuvers, abilities, and equipment.
The PC and SL should fit into the Sidearm slot so it's accessible and practical to carry one.
AV spam vs V spam
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
5742
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Posted - 2014.01.21 17:08:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:The laser gets yet another indirect nerf with this change. And the scrambler has to be used on a commando to get any kind of improvement.
Actually the laser rifle will get a buff if used with an assault suit. It may not look like it, but laser rifles actually do have a rate of fire. Also increasing this ROF will not increase heat build up, as heat build up is dependent upon time, not number of "shots" fired. So a 10% ROF bonus essentially increases the laser rifle's DPS by 10%, with the trade off being it runs out of ammo faster.
Still don't think the ROF bonus is a good assault bonus as there are still some weapons that won't get much benefit from it.
ARC Commander
CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
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Xander Mercy
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
151
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Posted - 2014.01.21 17:09:00 -
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the current bonus is a waste unless you use a SCR or LR and the LR hasn't been used regularly since the great laser light wars of the fish bowl |
Viktor Hadah Jr
Critical-Impact
2009
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Posted - 2014.01.21 17:12:00 -
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Xander Mercy wrote:the current bonus is a waste unless you use a SCR or LR and the LR hasn't been used regularly since the great laser light wars of the fish bowl
Same can be said about all other assault suits
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Xander Mercy
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
151
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Posted - 2014.01.21 17:14:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:You think spending 2Mil+ SP to get a complex armor rep from 6.25 reps/sec -> 7.75 reps/sec is a good bonus?
At basic level it's like 2.5 --> 3. @ lvl 5 amarr assault with armor rep 5 skill...
hell yeah ever point counts but honestly it could be raised a little more to get it to at least 8hp/s |
Lea Silencio
0uter.Heaven
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1074
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Posted - 2014.01.21 17:20:00 -
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Xander Mercy wrote:the current bonus is a waste unless you use a SCR or LR and the LR hasn't been used regularly since the great laser light wars of the fish bowl
So...take away a viable option that applies to 2 weapons to cater only to 1?
Yeah...that's logical.
Please mail me some of what you are smoking.
PurificationGäó
It's what I do.
Amarr Victor
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Xander Mercy
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
151
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Posted - 2014.01.21 17:33:00 -
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Lea Silencio wrote:Xander Mercy wrote:the current bonus is a waste unless you use a SCR or LR and the LR hasn't been used regularly since the great laser light wars of the fish bowl So...take away a viable option that applies to 2 weapons to cater only to 1? Yeah...that's logical. Please mail me some of what you are smoking.
when did i say cater to only one oh thats right i didn't. also i could be wrong but aren't all the assault suits losing their racial weapon bonus |
Lea Silencio
0uter.Heaven
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1075
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Posted - 2014.01.21 17:45:00 -
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Xander Mercy wrote:Lea Silencio wrote:Xander Mercy wrote:the current bonus is a waste unless you use a SCR or LR and the LR hasn't been used regularly since the great laser light wars of the fish bowl So...take away a viable option that applies to 2 weapons to cater only to 1? Yeah...that's logical. Please mail me some of what you are smoking. when did i say cater to only one oh thats right i didn't. also i could be wrong but aren't all the assault suits losing their racial weapon bonus
You indirectly said it. Just look at your statement above. And I quote..."the current bonus is a waste unless you use a SCR or LR and the LR hasn't been used regularly since the great laser light wars of the fish bowl". You initially indicated a preference to the ASCR, correct? Now, if you take into consideration which laser weapons fall into the Amarr category, it is the ScR, AScR and LR, correct? Remove the ScR and LR (as stated above) and which gun is left? That's right...the AScR. You didn't have to directly say it. Your statement said it for you, albeit indirectly.
I read into everything. Yours was fairly easy to do.
PurificationGäó
It's what I do.
Amarr Victor
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Xander Mercy
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
151
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Posted - 2014.01.21 18:02:00 -
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but did you ever think your reading into it to much as in maybe im fine with no racial weapon bonus which is whats happening to all assault suits. Maybe you should start taking word for what they are because sometimes the space between the lines are just that empty space. |
Teilka Darkmist
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Posted - 2014.01.21 18:09:00 -
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Xander Mercy wrote:the current bonus is a waste unless you use a SCR or LR and the LR hasn't been used regularly since the great laser light wars of the fish bowl
Except with the LR at least, it having a bonus on Amarr suits makes sense as energy weapons are the Ammar racial weapons. I don't know much about the SCR so I don't know about that.
In lore terms cloned mercenaries and all the equipment they use are brand new. Obviously the racial weapons are the ones each race is going to support with it's dropsuits.
When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be near the opponents redline than own.
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Lea Silencio
0uter.Heaven
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1076
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Posted - 2014.01.21 18:11:00 -
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Xander Mercy wrote:but did you ever think your reading into it to much as in maybe im fine with no racial weapon bonus which is whats happening to all assault suits. Maybe you should start taking word for what they are because sometimes the space between the lines are just that empty space.
Obvious statement is obvious. My opinion on it is that I think your opinion on it is flawed. It remains my opinion nonetheless.
Now, had you made your intentions crystal clear from the beginning, I may be inclined to defer to your opinion. But...you did not and only changed it now. That makes your counter argument irrelevent.
Done.
PurificationGäó
It's what I do.
Amarr Victor
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Aisha Ctarl
Pradox One
Proficiency V.
2976
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Posted - 2014.01.21 18:14:00 -
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CCP listened to the forums whining about the SCR, took a look at Amarrian suits/weapons/gear, and then punched Amarr right in the balls.
Aisha Ctarl for CPM1
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Aramis Madrigal
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
100
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Posted - 2014.01.21 18:26:00 -
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The generic assault bonus really caters to fully automatic weapons probably at the expense (relatively speaking) of single shot and burst fire weapons. I think this is a more general weakness than just the effect it will have on the standard SCR. All burst weapons will see a relative reduction in effectiveness relative to full auto weapons as burst weapons are limited by the absolute refractory period of muscle contractions (the rate at which you can press the button) rather the RPM per se. The CR probably loses a bit in the balance (probably good as I think it is currently the best rifle), the AR gains a bit (also good as it was the weakest overall of the racial rifles), the RR gets an unneeded buff, and the SCR gets little benefit (I thought the SCR was at an ok place in 1.7, it may suffer a bit in 1.8). IGÇÖm worried that the niche weapons that wonGÇÖt benefit very much from ROF increase will be pushed farther to the margins. If IGÇÖm going to die violently, IGÇÖd like a little variety in how it happens and the assault bonus may incent the use of a small range of weapons at the expense of everything else.
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Xander Mercy
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
151
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Posted - 2014.01.21 18:29:00 -
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Lea Silencio wrote:Xander Mercy wrote:but did you ever think your reading into it to much as in maybe im fine with no racial weapon bonus which is whats happening to all assault suits. Maybe you should start taking word for what they are because sometimes the space between the lines are just that empty space. Obvious statement is obvious. My opinion on it is that I think your opinion on it is flawed. It remains my opinion nonetheless. Now, had you made your intentions crystal clear from the beginning, I may be inclined to defer to your opinion. But...you did not and only changed it now. That makes your counter argument irrelevent. Done.
wow you are just so full of yourself that you you can't admit when you judged a statement wrong so you tryed to say i changed my opinion. when your wrong your wrong just man up and face it. also my opinion just to make it "crystal clear" is that a bonus that doesn't have a meaningful effect to all weapons in the group is dumb as ****. |
Venerable Phage
Red Shirts Away Team
2
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Posted - 2014.01.21 18:29:00 -
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Protocake JR wrote:The amarr scout bonus is... lame.
I run Amarr, Minmatard, and Caldari medium suits, flank as much as I can and yet I've never been in a situation where I said "Shucks, if only I could sprint for 3 seconds longer". However, all the other bonuses for the other suits actually improve vital gameplay elements.
Stamina is not a vital gameplay mechanic and I would not be surprised if they gave everyone unlimited stamina and replaced it with a different mechanic such as capacitors for complex maneuvers, abilities, and equipment.
You run medium suits. Any scouts? Any that run for ages so that you can setup an out of the way uplink or get to the location first without being seen as a pair of headlights on the overview? Stamina is useful it makes scouts sprint a bigger advantage with a larger longer last stamina. |
Protocake JR
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
1287
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Posted - 2014.01.21 19:04:00 -
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Venerable Phage wrote:Protocake JR wrote:The amarr scout bonus is... lame.
I run Amarr, Minmatard, and Caldari medium suits, flank as much as I can and yet I've never been in a situation where I said "Shucks, if only I could sprint for 3 seconds longer". However, all the other bonuses for the other suits actually improve vital gameplay elements.
Stamina is not a vital gameplay mechanic and I would not be surprised if they gave everyone unlimited stamina and replaced it with a different mechanic such as capacitors for complex maneuvers, abilities, and equipment. You run medium suits. Any scouts? Any that run for ages so that you can setup an out of the way uplink or get to the location first without being seen as a pair of headlights on the overview? Stamina is useful it makes scouts sprint a bigger advantage with a larger longer last stamina.
I have both the proto gallante light frame and scout suit (fingers crossed for a respec). Being first to a location only (hardly) matters in the first couple minutes of minutes of a game. You will also be outclassed at "getting there first" by LAVs and dropships. Being able to reach a location in 30 seconds in a scout suit rather than 50 seconds in a medium suit to place an uplink is such a tiny advantage, it's pointless. Stamina tanking isn't a thing.
Yes, currently stamina is used as a way to enhance the value of sprint speed, however it's like diluting bread with sawdust. I'd rather have sprint speed values increased, with greater differences between frame sizes. Then repurpose the stamina gauge to fuel things like dodge rolls, power slides, cloaking, sprint speed boosts, and other things of that nature.
At this point, i'm just daydreaming, but the current sentiment still stands, and that is that stamina, and stamina bonuses are lame. Even if the Amarr Scout had a stamina bonus of 100% per level, I would still be bummed.
The PC and SL should fit into the Sidearm slot so it's accessible and practical to carry one.
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