DUST Search - Gallente Heavy is a disappointment

Alldin Kan wrote:

Around 43% of its base HP is dedicated to Shields, something that isn't going to be fully restored in most matches. The Amarr Heavy easily surpassed the Gallente for having the second High Slot for a Shield energizer and fully utilizing the racial bonuses. The 4 Low slots on the Gallente doesn't make it special with the Amarr already having higher base armor as if it has an imaginary plate on imaginary 4th low slot. Lastly, the 1 HP Armor regen for a HEAVY is meaningless considering the amount of Armor the Gallente has, yet the Scout gets 3 HP regen. To improve the Gallente it would be Ideal for it to use the following stats:

Shield: 235 HP
Armor: 680 HP, If you all still prefer the Amarr to be a true Armor tanker then I suppose we could leave the Gallente as a cripple
Heal Armor Rate: 3 HP

On the Caldari Heavy it's somewhat ok for the Armor to take 43% of total HP as it is a secondary HP layer. The high shield regen and 4 High slots helps prevent the Caldari from going down on Armor frequently so adding a Complex Armor Repair may be enough to keep the Heavy alive. A slight improvement for the Caldari would be to utilize the following stats:

Shield: 580 HP
Armor: 335 HP

The Minmatar Heavy will be interesting to see in combat though I'm not sure if it will be as effective as the Minmatar Assault.

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Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 937	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:13:00 - [1] - Quote Around 43% of its base HP is dedicated to Shields, something that isn't going to be fully restored in most matches. The Amarr Heavy easily surpassed the Gallente for having the second High Slot for a Shield energizer and fully utilizing the racial bonuses. The 4 Low slots on the Gallente doesn't make it special with the Amarr already having higher base armor as if it has an imaginary plate on imaginary 4th low slot. Lastly, the 1 HP Armor regen for a HEAVY is meaningless considering the amount of Armor the Gallente has, yet the Scout gets 3 HP regen. To improve the Gallente it would be Ideal for it to use the following stats: Shield: 235 HP Armor: 680 HP, If you all still prefer the Amarr to be a true Armor tanker then I suppose we could leave the Gallente as a cripple Heal Armor Rate: 3 HP On the Caldari Heavy it's somewhat ok for the Armor to take 43% of total HP as it is a secondary HP layer. The high shield regen and 4 High slots helps prevent the Caldari from going down on Armor frequently so adding a Complex Armor Repair may be enough to keep the Heavy alive. A slight improvement for the Caldari would be to utilize the following stats: Shield: 580 HP Armor: 335 HP The Minmatar Heavy will be interesting to see in combat though I'm not sure if it will be as effective as the Minmatar Assault. Uprising 1.7 - TANKDOMINATION!!1!!1! LOL Commando LOL Plasma Cannon
843-BANE BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 330	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:15:00 - [2] - Quote As a true Gallente looking forward to this heavy I'll certainly agree with you. BUMP +10 Director // Ranking Officer // BurgezzE.T.F Patron of War \| GPæGPìGPî
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 345	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:19:00 - [3] - Quote I could go for 3 hp/s but the rest of the Gal heavy is fine. I still plan on skilling into proto sentinal day 1 of 1.8
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5774	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:21:00 - [4] - Quote 3hp/s for ALL Gallente! Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Valmorgan Aubaris Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services ACME Holding Conglomerate 207	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:22:00 - [5] - Quote Resists could be the great equalizer. I don't see them mentioned yet. EVE alliance seeks mercs and corps! Join Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services today!
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1069	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:30:00 - [6] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: The Minmatar Heavy will be interesting to see in combat though I'm not sure if it will be as effective as the Minmatar Assault. do the math and compare the following fits: gallente sentinel with 3 complex plates + complex shield extender + kin cat minmatar with 2 complex plates + 3 complex shield extenders gallente fit sprints as fast as the minmatar fit but still has more EHP, not to mention that it works better with remote repping logi. which heavy suit is again a dissapointment now?
Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 939	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:39:00 - [7] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: The Minmatar Heavy will be interesting to see in combat though I'm not sure if it will be as effective as the Minmatar Assault. do the math and compare the following fits: gallente sentinel with 3 complex plates + complex shield extender + kin cat minmatar with 2 complex plates + 3 complex shield extenders gallente fit sprints as fast as the minmatar fit but still has more EHP, not to mention that it works better with remote repping logi. which heavy suit is again a dissapointment now? I will not describe the flaw in this comment. Uprising 1.7 - TANKDOMINATION!!1!!1! LOL Commando LOL Plasma Cannon
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1678	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:40:00 - [8] - Quote Come oon the gal heavy defiantly gets an inherent proficiency lvl 5 when it reaches proto that thing in the gallente research facility will put tears to any frame. "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
Shiruba Ryou 142	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:44:00 - [9] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: Around 43% of its base HP is dedicated to Shields, something that isn't going to be fully restored in most matches. The Amarr Heavy easily surpassed the Gallente for having the second High Slot for a Shield energizer and fully utilizing the racial bonuses. The 4 Low slots on the Gallente doesn't make it special with the Amarr already having higher base armor as if it has an imaginary plate on imaginary 4th low slot. Lastly, the 1 HP Armor regen for a HEAVY is meaningless considering the amount of Armor the Gallente has, yet the Scout gets 3 HP regen. To improve the Gallente it would be Ideal for it to use the following stats: Shield: 235 HP Armor: 680 HP, If you all still prefer the Amarr to be a true Armor tanker then I suppose we could leave the Gallente as a cripple Heal Armor Rate: 3 HP On the Caldari Heavy it's somewhat ok for the Armor to take 43% of total HP as it is a secondary HP layer. The high shield regen and 4 High slots helps prevent the Caldari from going down on Armor frequently so adding a Complex Armor Repair may be enough to keep the Heavy alive. A slight improvement for the Caldari would be to utilize the following stats: Shield: 580 HP Armor: 335 HP The Minmatar Heavy will be interesting to see in combat though I'm not sure if it will be as effective as the Minmatar Assault. Aren't the increased low slots for stacking armor repairers? Gallente are active tankers not Buffer tankers like the amarr remember. "Not to worry. The cards say you loved it." `- Ryoutoshi`
Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 939	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:46:00 - [10] - Quote Shiruba Ryou wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: Around 43% of its base HP is dedicated to Shields, something that isn't going to be fully restored in most matches. The Amarr Heavy easily surpassed the Gallente for having the second High Slot for a Shield energizer and fully utilizing the racial bonuses. The 4 Low slots on the Gallente doesn't make it special with the Amarr already having higher base armor as if it has an imaginary plate on imaginary 4th low slot. Lastly, the 1 HP Armor regen for a HEAVY is meaningless considering the amount of Armor the Gallente has, yet the Scout gets 3 HP regen. Aren't the increased low slots for stacking armor repairers? Gallente are active tankers not Buffer tankers like the amarr remember. Read the OP again. Uprising 1.7 - TANKDOMINATION!!1!!1! LOL Commando LOL Plasma Cannon

Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 885	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:48:00 - [11] - Quote base armor repair at 3 hp a sec makes sense.... My Minmatar Assault that I have had since Uprising 1.0 with its 1HP/Sec and with 150ish armor is very negligible and barely feels adequate for that small health pool, Let alone health pools ranging from 600-1k+.
Grand Master Kubo PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 24	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:51:00 - [12] - Quote Low slots are for biotics. The Gallente Heavy = Fastest Heavy. - Kubo
DR FEB DARKSTAR ARMY 141	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:55:00 - [13] - Quote meh... more qq coming up -Put a dick in a their mouths so I guess it's fuck what they say -I'm so awesome,when I walk in a pub, I raise the bar
Deltahawk Durango Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 24	Posted - 2014.01.20 17:13:00 - [14] - Quote even though i stick with amarr suit, those resistance bonuses on gallente look pretty nice... just sayin'
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 885	Posted - 2014.01.20 17:21:00 - [15] - Quote Deltahawk Durango wrote: even though i stick with amarr suit, those resistance bonuses on gallente look pretty nice... just sayin' Same as the Amarr but flipped around?
Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 349	Posted - 2014.01.20 17:31:00 - [16] - Quote Fair, but I'm guessing it will still look sexy and be fun to use :D But yeah on every other suit amarr armor has been basically on par with gallente I don't see why this shouldn't be the case now, still also remember that the proportion of base shields to armor on gallente suits are never as severe as 200-600, shields are always at least 1/3 of the total health. Though this could work out well because gallente will have armor resistance vs almost all types of weaponry, I've always considered shields to be a big buffer anyway. I'd be fine with the armor being brought up to about 580 and the shields lowered a little. Now at first I didn't realize that the heavy or scout was getting passive armor repairing, is the same true for assaults and logies? I'm ok if not but if my gallente logi will be getting passive armor repair again then hooray! This is a signature. You're now reading it. You may now reply to my post.
Auris Lionesse SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 64	Posted - 2014.01.20 17:55:00 - [17] - Quote Galente and Caldari should both get passive reps imo Give amarr high resistances and min has logis.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1632	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:00:00 - [18] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: Around 43% of its base HP is dedicated to Shields, something that isn't going to be fully restored in most matches. The Amarr Heavy easily surpassed the Gallente for having the second High Slot for a Shield energizer and fully utilizing the racial bonuses. The 4 Low slots on the Gallente doesn't make it special with the Amarr already having higher base armor as if it has an imaginary plate on imaginary 4th low slot. Lastly, the 1 HP Armor regen for a HEAVY is meaningless considering the amount of Armor the Gallente has, yet the Scout gets 3 HP regen. To improve the Gallente it would be Ideal for it to use the following stats: Shield: 235 HP Armor: 680 HP, If you all still prefer the Amarr to be a true Armor tanker then I suppose we could leave the Gallente as a cripple Heal Armor Rate: 3 HP On the Caldari Heavy it's somewhat ok for the Armor to take 43% of total HP as it is a secondary HP layer. The high shield regen and 4 High slots helps prevent the Caldari from going down on Armor frequently so adding a Complex Armor Repair may be enough to keep the Heavy alive. A slight improvement for the Caldari would be to utilize the following stats: Shield: 580 HP Armor: 335 HP The Minmatar Heavy will be interesting to see in combat though I'm not sure if it will be as effective as the Minmatar Assault. The Gallente heavy is made for armor repair. Pop some armor reppers in there. That's why it has lower base HP and has 4 low slots. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Yelhsa Jin-Mao TheLostLegion 247	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:07:00 - [19] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Come oon the gal heavy defiantly gets an inherent proficiency lvl 5 when it reaches proto that thing in the gallente research facility will put tears to any frame. One remote explosive on my Gallente scout suit should see to that. I can has ISK
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5599	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:11:00 - [20] - Quote I definitely agree that more of the Gallente Sentinel's HP should be in armor and more of the Caldari Sentinel's HP should be in shield. They are both pretty much dual tankers as it stands right now. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open

Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3262	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:15:00 - [21] - Quote Scouts have the highest shield regen values in the game. There's a philosophy of "Lower hp" but also "fast recovery". The 3 hp/s armor regen on the Gallente scout seems to be an effort to apply the "faster regen on a scout" theory to the armor-tanking-race scout without costing them slot. That's the justification I think - that the suit that's meant to be quick on the recovery because of the nature of their playstyle needs a higher bonus. A higher bonus on a heavy-suit negates the need for a logi. Giving all the Gallente suits a repair bonus is just a little bonus though I think, I don't think it's meant to replace a module necessarily. This is similar to the Minmatar suits have the 1 hp/s regen before. Kinda like the Amarr hp bonus is less than that of a module, or the Minmatar scout's hacking bonus is less than that of a module. The Amarr have shifted from purely dual-tanked to Armor-focused in the most recent numbers. However, the difference/trend is for the Amarr to be slower in movement with more innate suit armor, while the Gallente are in theory "the fast repairing" guys with high armor... but no speed penalty. That said, I'd see no problem with making the shield values on the Amarr and Gallente even, and moving those 30 hp from the shield to the armor on the Gallente: 360 Shields 555 Armor Amarr and Gallente then have even shields. The ehp is the same, there only remains a raw ehp difference of 45hp. This fits with the "less than a module" style advantage considering there is no armor plate that gives you 45hp with a 5% speed hit (The Amarr Sentinel is 5% slower than the Caldari/Gallente). The current Gallente Sentinel's armor has the bonus of getting resists to both Projectile and Rail weapons (the two with armor bonuses) and Sentinels all receive splash damage resists, which should help somewhat with grenades, MD, etc. In contrast, the Amarr armor bonuses are dual tanked, giving the "armor" part of their suit less protection. The extra low slot can compensate for the hp difference, but it can also go towards reppers (which is supposed to be more of a Gallente thing). Their armor is meant to be "better", not thicker. It's higher-tech - it repairs itself and has more resists than the Amarr version. The Amarr is meant to be more raw hp out of the box, and slanted towards armor.. since that's what's making them heavier in theory. An adjustment so the Gallente doesn't have higher shields than the Amarr is sensible enough though. Basically, I'd be fine with a small adjustment to the shield/armor totals, but the hp regen is situated for different reasons I think. Edit: It should be noted that the Amarr Scout also has the lowest shields of any scout (60), so that may just be part of the newer racial paradigm. The Amarr suck at high tech, they put heavy heavy plates on everything instead. Thus, they have lower shields on the Sentinel, but thicker armor. The Amarr Commando also has the lowest shields... and the Amarr Comm. doesn't have any overall ehp advantage either. Join my cult.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 605	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:31:00 - [22] - Quote Actually, 3hp/s is still pretty useless on a heavy. Try 8 or something.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1269	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:53:00 - [23] - Quote The armor resistances will make it harder to tear through even without shields makes it easier for rep tools to keep pace with damage taken. It's slot layout doesn't lend too well shields, but the 4 lows means it can go for more speed, built in repair, or mega armor tank. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4498	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:53:00 - [24] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: 3hp/s for ALL Gallente! I wouldn't oppose 5. Gallente are supposed to have regen to make up for having less hitpoints. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3263	Posted - 2014.01.20 19:11:00 - [25] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Cat Merc wrote: 3hp/s for ALL Gallente! I wouldn't oppose 5. Gallente are supposed to have regen to make up for having less hitpoints. 5 hp/s (a complex repper) is a bit much compared to the Amarr's 45 hp advantage/5% speed hit (they don't make a plate or shield module that crappy). If the Gallente get a complex repper, the Amarr need a Complex plate's worth of hp difference (90 more hp).. the speed difference can stay at 5%. Join my cult.
MassiveNine 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 783	Posted - 2014.01.20 19:14:00 - [26] - Quote I think IWS explained it pretty good and the suit designs seem to reflect his explanations well. 1h/p a second might not seem like much but when you have armor repair maxed out it will probably turn into 3. combine that with 4 complex reppers and you're looking at over 25 h/p regen a second. Official DUST514 LAV Mechanic
Centurion mkII Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 192	Posted - 2014.01.20 19:32:00 - [27] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: I think IWS explained it pretty good and the suit designs seem to reflect his explanations well. 1h/p a second might not seem like much but when you have armor repair maxed out it will probably turn into 3. combine that with 4 complex reppers and you're looking at over 25 h/p regen a second. How will it turn into 3? 1 x 1.25 is 1.25.
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1446	Posted - 2014.01.20 19:43:00 - [28] - Quote Comparing heavy fighting heavy, the Amarr HMG Sentinel > all other heavies. But given the current FOTM of rail and combat rifles, the Gallente heavy has the best bonuses for dealing with medium frames. I hope you dedicated fatties can interpret the numbers enough to see that. Now, if they introduce new heavy weapons in the game or rebalance assault rifles that will all change, but those are BIG ifsGÇª I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
MassiveNine 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 785	Posted - 2014.01.20 19:52:00 - [29] - Quote Centurion mkII wrote: MassiveNine wrote: I think IWS explained it pretty good and the suit designs seem to reflect his explanations well. 1h/p a second might not seem like much but when you have armor repair maxed out it will probably turn into 3. combine that with 4 complex reppers and you're looking at over 25 h/p regen a second. How will it turn into 3? 1 x 1.25 is 1.25. Sorry. Math defeats me honestly so I guessed a bit. Either way, 4 complex reppers with the skill bonus gives you 25 hp rep a second so 26.25 a second. So with roughly 600 armor it only takes around 24 seconds before you're fully healed. Official DUST514 LAV Mechanic
MassiveNine 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 785	Posted - 2014.01.20 19:55:00 - [30] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Comparing heavy fighting heavy, the Amarr HMG Sentinel > all other heavies. But given the current FOTM of rail and combat rifles, the Gallente heavy has the best bonuses for dealing with medium frames. I hope you dedicated fatties can interpret the numbers enough to see that. Now, if they introduce new heavy weapons in the game or rebalance assault rifles that will all change, but those are BIG ifsGÇª It is going to be a good fight between the gallente and amarr. Given the slightly higher shield on the gallente, it might take a little longer for the amarr to get through the shield while the gallente is already doing damage to armor. I think gallente will be the more lone wolf type heavy that doesn't really need a logi to survive while the amarr becomes unstoppable with a logi behind him. Official DUST514 LAV Mechanic



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