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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
5946
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Posted - 2014.01.20 10:15:00 -
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For all those complaining about the potential of the Amarrian Scout suit and saying its potentially OP, or underserving of a proper racial bonus.
Full credit to Aero Yassavi on this one.
Aero Yassavi wrote:Tech De Ra wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Have you even looked at CPU/PG for this or are you just assuming because you have slots you can fit whatever you want? After skills, the ak.0 has 446 CPU and 92 PG 3 complex plates, 1 advanced plate, 2 complex shield extenders: 218 CPU and 64 PG used adding a K17/D (R) hive: 265 cpu and 76 PG used 220 shield, 779 armor, 2 weapon slots, a grenade slot and an equip slot free, with 181 CPU and 16 PG free to fit them You should know me enough by now Aero that i don't comment on things that i can't back up :P So I took the liberty to do the same thing with the gk.0. After skills it has 433 CPU and 97 PG 3 complex plates, 1 advanced plate, 2 complex shield extenders: 218 CPU and 64 PG used adding a K17/D (R) hive: 265 CPU and 76 PG used 233 shield, 729 armor, 2 weapon slots, a grenade slot, and an equip slot free with 168 CPU and 21 PG free to fit them That is 37 less EHP, 13 less CPU, 5 more PG, and faster than the Amarr scout. So yeah, tell me how this argument of Amarr being so combat ready that it doesn't deserve a bonus equivalent to a complex mod, yet the Gal scout is arguably more combat ready and can get a bonus equivalent to a complex mod plus a secondary bonus.
And begin.
"My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
5949
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Posted - 2014.01.20 10:22:00 -
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Who's scout of FoTM material?
"My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
5949
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Posted - 2014.01.20 10:26:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:Lol 3 complex plates slow things way down. I dont care what suit you are in. why get a scout and mess with speed?
A real scout dream is 3 high 3 low. Thats where it gets good.
The best fit for actual usage will be 2 advance plates and 2 complex reactive plates with proto weapon with dmg mods.
That's not the point though is it. People were complaining that Amarr scout could hit over 1000 HP with its lay out and be a sort of "light assault fit"
Well so can the Gal Scout. And it can do it far better!
"My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
5949
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Posted - 2014.01.20 10:36:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:I get it. I just dont think its that big a deal. scouts are hard to use regardless.
Scout tanking is kind of lol imo.
Same here. But someone tried to argue the Amarr suit was fine as it was because of the potential to tank over 1000 HP, but when you consider the Gal scout can do better and still has a better bonus.....its hard to retain that stand point.....
"My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
5949
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Posted - 2014.01.20 10:37:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Also forgot to mention that in that fitting the Gal scout has 3 HP/s armor repair, so definitely better. Might want to add the free PG and CPU from its base stats in too? Maybe in parentheses? And True, add Tech's original post about Amarr Scout w/ 1kEHP for context.
I'm sure that's in the OP isn't it.
"My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
5952
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Posted - 2014.01.20 10:40:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:True Adamance wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Also forgot to mention that in that fitting the Gal scout has 3 HP/s armor repair, so definitely better. Might want to add the free PG and CPU from its base stats in too? Maybe in parentheses? And True, add Tech's original post about Amarr Scout w/ 1kEHP for context. I'm sure that's in the OP isn't it. Nope Edit: I should go back to sleep
Updated, though Ill need to sort the layout tomorrow before work.
"My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
5952
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Posted - 2014.01.20 10:42:00 -
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Galvan Nized wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Also forgot to mention that in that fitting the Gal scout has 3 HP/s armor repair, so definitely better. To be fair you also have to mention how the Amarr gets 25 more stamina and 1.33x faster stamina regen over the Gal before the bonus is even applied. The two are balanced until the inherent armor rep comes up or you take a look at the bonuses. Max Scout skill Amarr has stamina pool 281.25 with 50 stamina regen. Giving it 81.25 stamina/20 stamina regen advantage. Max Scout skill Gal scans at 24m and scan profile is 26.25. This doesn't apply any other skills like dampening, range amplifying, biotics skill. Just dropsuit should.
How does that justify as weaker/lesser racial bonus.
The Amarr suit naturally have these stamina bonuses as part of what makes then unique, like the Min Speed, the high Cal Shield, and the high Gal Armour.
As I keep saying, why do the Amarr have to barter with the base stats which differential them from the other factions in order to have a decent bonus?
"My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
5952
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Posted - 2014.01.20 10:45:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:HYENAKILLER X wrote:I get it. I just dont think its that big a deal. scouts are hard to use regardless.
Scout tanking is kind of lol imo. Again the point of this isn't scout tanking, the point is people have been using the Amarr's max potential EHP as an excuse for it's sup-par racial bonus, when in fact the other scouts are about the same in max potential EHP. Amarr scout's racial bonus is less than the value of a standard cardiac regulator Gallente scout's racial bonus is the value of a complex profile dampener plus a scan radius bonus Caldari scout's racial bonus is more than the value of a complex precision enhancer plus a scan radius bonus Minmatar scout's racial bonus is the value of a complex codebreaker plus a NK damage bonus How can you say the Amarr's racial bonus is on par with the rest? Whatever your argument is, you can't use max potential EHP as your excuse anymore. The min nk bonus is worth 3 complex DMG mod with penalties but people argue that you have to breath down their neck to even apply the damage which is a fair counter argument/post/whatever thing.
Hmmm I don't think we can argue that bonus in good conscious....except that it is a secondary bonus present on the suit, where as the Amarr only have one bonus.
"My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
5952
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Posted - 2014.01.20 10:47:00 -
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Tech De Ra wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:
How can you say the Amarr's racial bonus is on par with the rest? Whatever your argument is, you can't use max potential EHP as your excuse anymore.
Even in another thread, you are putting words into my mouth claiming that i think the bonus is fine as is I'm not going to argue this in another thread, if you are unable to read my other posts then It is impossible to have a discussion with you
Hmm perhaps we are zealous....but frankly speaking you have yet to convince me to any degree that your stand point is valid. I appreciate the effort you put into your argument.....but its unconvincing to me.
"My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
5952
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Posted - 2014.01.20 10:48:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:At least you will not be able to complain about the TTK if you-Śre an Amarr/Gallente scout. 
Would you really run a full brick tanked scout?
My proposed scout will have about 430 EHP tops.
"My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
5963
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Posted - 2014.01.20 17:35:00 -
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Meee One wrote:Amarr scouts DO get 2 bonuses:
-max stamina
-stamina regen
You're so used to seeing a cardiac regulator you count them as one.
There is no other module that boosts 2 things at once.
Amarr scouts advantage will be distance and endurance.
Which is accurate to the race,stop begging your supposed to have pride as an amarrian...unless you have no faith.
You would justify giving each scout suit a complex module, and a secondary bonus by saying the Amarr have two bonuses, in terms of wording, each equivalent to half a single cardiac regulator.?
No Meee One, I appreciate your imput, but no matter how you spin it the Gal, Cal, and Min get two separate, unique bonuses, each to a single aspect of their suit, the primary bonus equivalent to a single complex module or better, while the other affects one other single aspect of the suit.
Gallente - Profile Dampening ( better than Complex) and Scan Radius
Caldari- Scan Precision (Better than Complex) and Scan Radius
Minmatar- Code Breaking (Complex) and Nova Knife Damage
Amarr- Cardiac Regulator (which is equivalent to a standard Cardiac Regulator) (( and applies a bonus to both Stamina and Stamina Recharge))
What you are suggesting is that we get half a complex modules worth of bonus which comparatively is still unacceptable.
"My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
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