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Text Grant
Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives
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Posted - 2014.01.20 04:49:00 -
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With tanks as op as heck, let us surround them with anti infantry weapons and overwhelm them with 100% firepower. It won't make any difference to real tankers that don't run into the middle of the enemy to mow them down with a blaster. No more 10% when you look at a tank, also it will give us more opportunity to check for weak points with our normal weapons. |
Beck Weathers
Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.20 04:51:00 -
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Well I would prefer they add in the amarr and minmatar light anti tank weapons and see what nitch they preform. oh and buff plasma cannon. |
Text Grant
Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives
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Posted - 2014.01.20 04:54:00 -
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Buff plasma cannon, re's, proxies, swarms, av nades, and forge gun, but also make infantry weapons do 100%. Why wouldn't they do 100% in the first place? |
Scalesdini
BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
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Posted - 2014.01.20 04:55:00 -
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Text Grant wrote:With tanks as op as heck, let us surround them with anti infantry weapons and overwhelm them with 100% firepower. It won't make any difference to real tankers that don't run into the middle of the enemy to mow them down with a blaster. No more 10% when you look at a tank, also it will give us more opportunity to check for weak points with our normal weapons.
The business end of your crack pipe must be hot to the touch. |
Text Grant
Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives
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Posted - 2014.01.20 05:00:00 -
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Scalesdini wrote:Text Grant wrote:With tanks as op as heck, let us surround them with anti infantry weapons and overwhelm them with 100% firepower. It won't make any difference to real tankers that don't run into the middle of the enemy to mow them down with a blaster. No more 10% when you look at a tank, also it will give us more opportunity to check for weak points with our normal weapons. The business end of your crack pipe must be hot to the touch. You have so many good points there! |
Borne Velvalor
Endless Hatred
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Posted - 2014.01.20 06:36:00 -
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Text Grant wrote:Buff plasma cannon, re's, proxies, swarms, av nades, and forge gun, but also make infantry weapons do 100%. Why wouldn't they do 100% in the first place? Because two, three guys with rifles could pop a tank in one clip?
Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn.
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
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Posted - 2014.01.20 06:39:00 -
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LOL @ people asking for a buff to the Plasma Cannon.
That thing doesn't need a buff, it needs a fix. Plenty of fixes, actually. |
True Adamance
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.20 06:42:00 -
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Text Grant wrote:With tanks as op as heck, let us surround them with anti infantry weapons and overwhelm them with 100% firepower. It won't make any difference to real tankers that don't run into the middle of the enemy to mow them down with a blaster. No more 10% when you look at a tank, also it will give us more opportunity to check for weak points with our normal weapons.
Why don't we just remove the blaster turret from HAV, nerf it slightly, put that turret on the MAV, and make HAV primarily anot vehicle units and heavy ordinance vehicles.
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NAV HIV
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.20 14:50:00 -
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Scalesdini wrote:Text Grant wrote:With tanks as op as heck, let us surround them with anti infantry weapons and overwhelm them with 100% firepower. It won't make any difference to real tankers that don't run into the middle of the enemy to mow them down with a blaster. No more 10% when you look at a tank, also it will give us more opportunity to check for weak points with our normal weapons. The business end of your crack pipe must be hot to the touch.
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devonus durga
P.L.A.N. B
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Posted - 2014.01.20 15:01:00 -
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I wouldn't say full 100% damage, but I do think more then 10% is in order.
I mean we are firing future super weapons, meant to tear through any and all defenses. Heck sentinals are basicly small tanks with their HP at proto kevels.
Or just buff AV grenades, like seriously, make them useful CCP!
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.20 15:04:00 -
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So the armor and shields of a tank wouldn't reduce infantry based weapon damage significantly you think? it should register as if your hitting another infantry?
Seems like your looking at this from only one angle. |
Text Grant
Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives
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Posted - 2014.01.20 20:31:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:So the armor and shields of a tank wouldn't reduce infantry based weapon damage significantly you think? it should register as if your hitting another infantry?
Seems like your looking at this from only one angle. Its not like shooting a tank with your AR would do that much of a dent to a tank anyway. This is only to help prevent tanks rolling into the middle of reds and leveling everything with their blasters. I can't think of one reason why this would make any difference in any other situation. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.01.20 20:36:00 -
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If they buffed the swarms 25% on top of 1.6 levels AND increased flight time by 2x, I don't think they'd be effective.
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Jason Pearson
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Posted - 2014.01.20 20:43:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:If they buffed the swarms 25% on top of 1.6 levels AND increased flight time by 2x, I don't think they'd be effective.
lol? You ******* terribads. Listen here you massive scrubs, CCP should not balance based off of the experience of terrible players, I'm sorry but I'm sick of this. "WAAAAH TANKS ARE OP" and yet running proto swarms with triple complex mods will wreck armor tanks.. "WAAAH THE TANK FLASHES AND IT RUNS AWAY AND I CAN'T KILL IT!", man up.. "ALL LAVS SHOULD DIE BY ME LOOKING AT IT WITH A STERN LOOK!" Yeah, you forgot about LAVs didn't you, ******* idiots, HAVs aren't the only thing in this game, there's a reason people don't use LAVs any more, because they're treated as throwaway vehicles, except my LAV costs near 100k a time and get's wrecked instantly.
If CCP listens to stupid players, it'll just show how bad they are as a developer. AND STOP FIRING EXPLOSIVES AT A SHIELD TANK. jaysus.
King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire \\ Bad Mathematician
You're a total git, Jason. - kingbabar
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The Attorney General
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Posted - 2014.01.20 20:43:00 -
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How is it that people are calling for buffs to AV nades?
Are you guys just that bad? Everytime I use AV nades they work great, how are you guys not able to use them?
Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
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Text Grant
Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives
295
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Posted - 2014.01.20 20:46:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:How is it that people are calling for buffs to AV nades?
Are you guys just that bad? Everytime I use AV nades they work great, how are you guys not able to use them? This post is actually asking for peoples opinions on every weapon doing 100% damage to tanks. Or 90% or whatever it would be doing to shields/armor regularly. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.01.20 20:48:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:If they buffed the swarms 25% on top of 1.6 levels AND increased flight time by 2x, I don't think they'd be effective.
lol? You ******* terribads. Listen here you massive scrubs, CCP should not balance based off of the experience of terrible players, I'm sorry but I'm sick of this. "WAAAAH TANKS ARE OP" and yet running proto swarms with triple complex mods will wreck armor tanks.. "WAAAH THE TANK FLASHES AND IT RUNS AWAY AND I CAN'T KILL IT!", man up.. "ALL LAVS SHOULD DIE BY ME LOOKING AT IT WITH A STERN LOOK!" Yeah, you forgot about LAVs didn't you, ******* idiots, HAVs aren't the only thing in this game, there's a reason people don't use LAVs any more, because they're treated as throwaway vehicles, except my LAV costs near 100k a time and get's wrecked instantly. If CCP listens to stupid players, it'll just show how bad they are as a developer. AND STOP FIRING EXPLOSIVES AT A SHIELD TANK. jaysus.
The only anti-shield AV weapon is the plasma cannon. Good luck taking down a decent shield tank with that. Hell, it struggles with a Sica.
Also, if you're losing LAVs to infantry AV you must be incredibly bad. I've lost LAVs to tanks and installations. Never infantry AV, ever. And if you're only losing LAVs to tanks and you're whining about them being fragile, that only illustrates the point further.
Level 8 Forum Warrior
Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
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Text Grant
Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives
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Posted - 2014.01.20 20:51:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:If they buffed the swarms 25% on top of 1.6 levels AND increased flight time by 2x, I don't think they'd be effective.
lol? You ******* terribads. Listen here you massive scrubs, CCP should not balance based off of the experience of terrible players, I'm sorry but I'm sick of this. "WAAAAH TANKS ARE OP" and yet running proto swarms with triple complex mods will wreck armor tanks.. "WAAAH THE TANK FLASHES AND IT RUNS AWAY AND I CAN'T KILL IT!", man up.. "ALL LAVS SHOULD DIE BY ME LOOKING AT IT WITH A STERN LOOK!" Yeah, you forgot about LAVs didn't you, ******* idiots, HAVs aren't the only thing in this game, there's a reason people don't use LAVs any more, because they're treated as throwaway vehicles, except my LAV costs near 100k a time and get's wrecked instantly. If CCP listens to stupid players, it'll just show how bad they are as a developer. AND STOP FIRING EXPLOSIVES AT A SHIELD TANK. jaysus. The only anti-shield AV weapon is the plasma cannon. Good luck taking down a decent shield tank with that. Hell, it struggles with a Sica. Also, if you're losing LAVs to infantry AV you must be incredibly bad. I've lost LAVs to tanks and installations. Never infantry AV, ever. And if you're only losing LAVs to tanks and you're whining about them being fragile, that only illustrates the point further. I usually ignore trolls. good luck on that fight though. You may have used too much logic for him. |
The Attorney General
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Posted - 2014.01.20 20:52:00 -
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Text Grant wrote:The Attorney General wrote:How is it that people are calling for buffs to AV nades?
Are you guys just that bad? Everytime I use AV nades they work great, how are you guys not able to use them? This post is actually asking for peoples opinions on every weapon doing 100% damage to tanks. Or 90% or whatever it would be doing to shields/armor regularly.
And yet, in your second post you call for buffs to ALL AV, including AV nades.
You opened the door, I merely walked through it.
Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
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Text Grant
Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives
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Posted - 2014.01.20 20:56:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Text Grant wrote:The Attorney General wrote:How is it that people are calling for buffs to AV nades?
Are you guys just that bad? Everytime I use AV nades they work great, how are you guys not able to use them? This post is actually asking for peoples opinions on every weapon doing 100% damage to tanks. Or 90% or whatever it would be doing to shields/armor regularly. And yet, in your second post you call for buffs to ALL AV, including AV nades. You opened the door, I merely walked through it. I was just pointing out that its not really what i came to talk about to him. Whatever he thinks should be buffed should be put into his own thread with valid arguments. Although I would like to hear a competent tankers opinion on normal weapons doing normal damage to vehicles. |
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Jason Pearson
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Posted - 2014.01.20 20:56:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:If they buffed the swarms 25% on top of 1.6 levels AND increased flight time by 2x, I don't think they'd be effective.
lol? You ******* terribads. Listen here you massive scrubs, CCP should not balance based off of the experience of terrible players, I'm sorry but I'm sick of this. "WAAAAH TANKS ARE OP" and yet running proto swarms with triple complex mods will wreck armor tanks.. "WAAAH THE TANK FLASHES AND IT RUNS AWAY AND I CAN'T KILL IT!", man up.. "ALL LAVS SHOULD DIE BY ME LOOKING AT IT WITH A STERN LOOK!" Yeah, you forgot about LAVs didn't you, ******* idiots, HAVs aren't the only thing in this game, there's a reason people don't use LAVs any more, because they're treated as throwaway vehicles, except my LAV costs near 100k a time and get's wrecked instantly. If CCP listens to stupid players, it'll just show how bad they are as a developer. AND STOP FIRING EXPLOSIVES AT A SHIELD TANK. jaysus. The only anti-shield AV weapon is the plasma cannon. Good luck taking down a decent shield tank with that. Hell, it struggles with a Sica. Also, if you're losing LAVs to infantry AV you must be incredibly bad. I've lost LAVs to tanks and installations. Never infantry AV, ever. And if you're only losing LAVs to tanks and you're whining about them being fragile, that only illustrates the point further.
Use a Forge against Shields, it might be weaker but due to shields being weaker than armor, two shots will take them out quite fast. I sat on a roof yesterday and devastated four tanks trying to push up. My furthest kill was 280m, it's still very effective but now it cannot dominate the map, just an area.
Also, please, teach me how to tank out an LAV, oh mighty lord Arkena. I lose tanks to AV still, I kill tanks with AV still and if you can aim LAVs are easy as ****, especially due to their low HP it means their resists don't work as well as other vehicles.
King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire \\ Bad Mathematician
You're a total git, Jason. - kingbabar
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The Attorney General
1828
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Posted - 2014.01.20 20:57:00 -
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Text Grant wrote:Buff plasma cannon, re's, proxies, swarms, av nades, and forge gun, but also make infantry weapons do 100%. Why wouldn't they do 100% in the first place?
So you want buffs to all AV weapons AND you want anti infantry weapons to do 100% damage to an armored vehicle?
Seems like a totally reasonable suggestion, but I assume you are going to make the blaster a one hit kill to compensate right?
Or are you just mad because you can't tackle a tank and think that because you are stupid CCP should cater to you?
Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
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Eltra Ardell
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
293
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Posted - 2014.01.20 20:58:00 -
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Text Grant wrote:Buff plasma cannon, re's, proxies, swarms, av nades, and forge gun, but also make infantry weapons do 100%. Why wouldn't they do 100% in the first place? Why would an assault rifle be effective against an armored vehicle? |
Text Grant
Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives
297
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Posted - 2014.01.20 21:01:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Text Grant wrote:Buff plasma cannon, re's, proxies, swarms, av nades, and forge gun, but also make infantry weapons do 100%. Why wouldn't they do 100% in the first place? So you want buffs to all AV weapons AND you want anti infantry weapons to do 100% damage to an armored vehicle? Seems like a totally reasonable suggestion, but I assume you are going to make the blaster a one hit kill to compensate right? Or are you just mad because you can't tackle a tank and think that because you are stupid CCP should cater to you? I kill tanks all the time. But the easiest ways to do it is with a tank or RE's. But that is NOT the point of this thread. Now you can insult me all day or make a viable argument as to why normal weapons would do 10% damage to tanks. |
Text Grant
Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives
297
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Posted - 2014.01.20 21:02:00 -
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Eltra Ardell wrote:Text Grant wrote:Buff plasma cannon, re's, proxies, swarms, av nades, and forge gun, but also make infantry weapons do 100%. Why wouldn't they do 100% in the first place? Why would an assault rifle be effective against an armored vehicle? An assault rifle wouldn't be effective against an HAV even if it was 100% so I don't follow your logic |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention
8139
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Posted - 2014.01.20 21:03:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:If they buffed the swarms 25% on top of 1.6 levels AND increased flight time by 2x, I don't think they'd be effective.
lol? You ******* terribads. Listen here you massive scrubs, CCP should not balance based off of the experience of terrible players, I'm sorry but I'm sick of this. "WAAAAH TANKS ARE OP" and yet running proto swarms with triple complex mods will wreck armor tanks.. "WAAAH THE TANK FLASHES AND IT RUNS AWAY AND I CAN'T KILL IT!", man up.. "ALL LAVS SHOULD DIE BY ME LOOKING AT IT WITH A STERN LOOK!" Yeah, you forgot about LAVs didn't you, ******* idiots, HAVs aren't the only thing in this game, there's a reason people don't use LAVs any more, because they're treated as throwaway vehicles, except my LAV costs near 100k a time and get's wrecked instantly. If CCP listens to stupid players, it'll just show how bad they are as a developer. AND STOP FIRING EXPLOSIVES AT A SHIELD TANK. jaysus. The only anti-shield AV weapon is the plasma cannon. Good luck taking down a decent shield tank with that. Hell, it struggles with a Sica. Also, if you're losing LAVs to infantry AV you must be incredibly bad. I've lost LAVs to tanks and installations. Never infantry AV, ever. And if you're only losing LAVs to tanks and you're whining about them being fragile, that only illustrates the point further. Use a Forge against Shields, it might be weaker but due to shields being weaker than armor, two shots will take them out quite fast. I sat on a roof yesterday and devastated four tanks trying to push up. My furthest kill was 280m, it's still very effective but now it cannot dominate the map, just an area. Also, please, teach me how to tank out an LAV, oh mighty lord Arkena. I lose tanks to AV still, I kill tanks with AV still and if you can aim LAVs are easy as ****, especially due to their low HP it means their resists don't work as well as other vehicles.
Methana + hardener and rep. I honestly have yet to lose one to infantry AV despite extensive doom taxi'ing.
Level 8 Forum Warrior
Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
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The Attorney General
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Posted - 2014.01.20 21:04:00 -
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Text Grant wrote: I kill tanks all the time. But the easiest ways to do it is with a tank or RE's. But that is NOT the point of this thread. Now you can insult me all day or make a viable argument as to why normal weapons would do 10% damage to tanks.
Because they are infantry weapons and vehicles are designed to be resistant to small arms fire.
Go and read the descriptions muppet.
Now, defend your statement about wanting all AV buffed to go along with having your rifle turn into a ****** AV weapon.
If you think it is easier to kil atank with RE's than a forge, you are really, really bad.
No wonder you need all this help to try and take out tanks. You must be awful.
Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
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Jason Pearson
4052
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Posted - 2014.01.20 21:04:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:If they buffed the swarms 25% on top of 1.6 levels AND increased flight time by 2x, I don't think they'd be effective.
lol? You ******* terribads. Listen here you massive scrubs, CCP should not balance based off of the experience of terrible players, I'm sorry but I'm sick of this. "WAAAAH TANKS ARE OP" and yet running proto swarms with triple complex mods will wreck armor tanks.. "WAAAH THE TANK FLASHES AND IT RUNS AWAY AND I CAN'T KILL IT!", man up.. "ALL LAVS SHOULD DIE BY ME LOOKING AT IT WITH A STERN LOOK!" Yeah, you forgot about LAVs didn't you, ******* idiots, HAVs aren't the only thing in this game, there's a reason people don't use LAVs any more, because they're treated as throwaway vehicles, except my LAV costs near 100k a time and get's wrecked instantly. If CCP listens to stupid players, it'll just show how bad they are as a developer. AND STOP FIRING EXPLOSIVES AT A SHIELD TANK. jaysus. The only anti-shield AV weapon is the plasma cannon. Good luck taking down a decent shield tank with that. Hell, it struggles with a Sica. Also, if you're losing LAVs to infantry AV you must be incredibly bad. I've lost LAVs to tanks and installations. Never infantry AV, ever. And if you're only losing LAVs to tanks and you're whining about them being fragile, that only illustrates the point further. Use a Forge against Shields, it might be weaker but due to shields being weaker than armor, two shots will take them out quite fast. I sat on a roof yesterday and devastated four tanks trying to push up. My furthest kill was 280m, it's still very effective but now it cannot dominate the map, just an area. Also, please, teach me how to tank out an LAV, oh mighty lord Arkena. I lose tanks to AV still, I kill tanks with AV still and if you can aim LAVs are easy as ****, especially due to their low HP it means their resists don't work as well as other vehicles. Methana + hardener and rep. I honestly have yet to lose one to infantry AV despite extensive doom taxi'ing.
Bring it out next time you're in my match, Methanas die fast to the swarms I'm running.
King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire \\ Bad Mathematician
You're a total git, Jason. - kingbabar
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Text Grant
Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives
297
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Posted - 2014.01.20 21:07:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Text Grant wrote: I kill tanks all the time. But the easiest ways to do it is with a tank or RE's. But that is NOT the point of this thread. Now you can insult me all day or make a viable argument as to why normal weapons would do 10% damage to tanks.
Because they are infantry weapons and vehicles are designed to be resistant to small arms fire. Go and read the descriptions muppet. Now, defend your statement about wanting all AV buffed to go along with having your rifle turn into a ****** AV weapon. If you think it is easier to kil atank with RE's than a forge, you are really, really bad. No wonder you need all this help to try and take out tanks. You must be awful. It is easier to kill them with RE's than a forge. Because they are usually spammed all over the map by crap tankers that only use them because they are cheaper than their normal assault fit. If you can't admit there are many problems with vehicles in their current state then you are just trolling me. |
The Attorney General
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Posted - 2014.01.20 21:11:00 -
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Text Grant wrote: It is easier to kill them with RE's than a forge. Because they are usually spammed all over the map by crap tankers that only use them because they are cheaper than their normal assault fit. If you can't admit there are many problems with vehicles in their current state then you are just trolling me.
Of course there are problems, however your solutions are absolutely horrible.
In fact, they are nothing more than the moanings of a scrub.
If the RE's trap is all you have, then become friends with a real AV'er and then you won't be complaining at being ineffective.
Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
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