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DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10168	Posted - 2014.01.19 19:16:00 - [1] - Quote Assault Dropships OP The first problem is with HAVs. Their turrets lack the elevation to properly engage dropships, whatever they have now, they should add an additional 10-15%. I have no way of testing how fast the turret rotation is with max skills, but I imagine that coupled with slight movement of the tank would allow you to track most dropships. A slight buff to large turret rotation speed might be acceptable. I even think railguns could use a slight buff in damage, so long as everyone loses the ability to have more than one damage amplifier active at a time. Also on the topic of HAV vs Dropships, HAVs need to be able to fit their small turrets where they want. Right now I believe it's still bugged, forcing you to fit two turrets if you'd like to have a top turret. The second problem is how the redline effects Dropships vs Railgun tank balance. There is a very simple solution to this that does very little to harm overall gameplay and is very simple to implement: Extend the fly space above the enemy redline. So, what you would do is keep the redline as-is for everything on the ground, but enemy dropships can fly a bit further into that redline to harass perched railtanks. These tanks could either roll even deeper into the redline, becoming a non factor to everything but the dropship, or it could stay and fight, when considering my proposed buffs. Third is that swarm launchers are very little threat until completely maxed out, and even then, are pretty easy to avoid. They need a healthy buff to projectile speed, and possibly a very slight buff to damage. Increase lock on range from 175 to 250. Invisible swarms are still a thing, so the sooner that's fixed, you would be able to track where you're getting harassed from, and engage or avoid. Plasma cannons need a healthy buff to direct damage. This will not effect its balance vs infantry, and will give it some sort of purpose against AV, being useful against hovering dropships. It could also stand to cause a bit more impact, it seems to do less than swarms in that respect. Small missile turrets need splash radius dropped from 2.5 to 2.0, with a 10-15% nerf to splash damage. However, I argue that they need even faster projectile speed to be competitive against other agile dropships, while not harming the overall dropship vs anything else balance. You might be able to sell me on a very minor decrease to forge gun charge time, but I feel that they are very close to balance right now. Standard dropships need more of their mobility back. It's obnoxious how much they were nerfed, and while they should not be as agile or fast as an assault dropship, they should be better off then they are now. Without a slight buff to this, standard dropships will struggle against my proposed buffs. So, that would make HAVs more of a persistent threat to dropships, while allowing dropships to engage perched redline HAVs, while further still providing that HAV with an escape route, which would remove that HAV as any form of meaningful threat to the battlefield, yet allowing it to remain a threat to the harassing dropship. These changes would also create a more hazardous flight zone, with swarms presenting a persistent threat that is still reasonable to engage. Dropship vs Dropship fights become more reliable as more shots are being landed, while infantry is given a little more breathing room thanks to small missile changes. I feel these buffs could go a long way towards increasing the health of Dropship balance. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Dropship Pilot
Yoma Carrim Situation Normal all fraked up 267	Posted - 2014.01.19 19:27:00 - [2] - Quote blinks Did I just read this from Dust Fiend? blinks ...yeah I did Blinks quickly rereads post When you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck Logi, Tanker, Heavy
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1650	Posted - 2014.01.19 19:28:00 - [3] - Quote Whaaaat? "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
Delta90212 Dust2Dust. Top Men. 163	Posted - 2014.01.19 19:28:00 - [4] - Quote Are you kidding? It's definitely not OP especially when theres railgun tanks in the redline, Fear The Tribes // Standings Minmatar 5 // Gallente 5
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10168	Posted - 2014.01.19 19:31:00 - [5] - Quote Delta90212 wrote: Are you kidding? It's definitely not OP especially when theres railgun tanks in the redline, Addressed in my OP Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Darken-Soul Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 29	Posted - 2014.01.19 19:32:00 - [6] - Quote Delta90212 wrote: Are you kidding? It's definitely not OP especially when theres railgun tanks in the redline, I noticed you didn't mention AV at all. I am the real Darken
Sev Alcatraz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 412	Posted - 2014.01.19 19:33:00 - [7] - Quote We need flak guns for HAV OR AA TURRETS closed beta vet-E3 MAXIMUM ARMOR
Delta90212 Dust2Dust. Top Men. 163	Posted - 2014.01.19 19:34:00 - [8] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: Delta90212 wrote: Are you kidding? It's definitely not OP especially when theres railgun tanks in the redline, I noticed you didn't mention AV at all. Uhh AV doesn't really bother me as much as redline railguns really do. Fear The Tribes // Standings Minmatar 5 // Gallente 5
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 491	Posted - 2014.01.19 19:34:00 - [9] - Quote as a forge user i have no issue with dropships 2 comp dmg mods on my proto breach with lvl 4 prof WILL oneshot a non hardened non plated dropship and two shot any other dropship stupid enough to stick around for my recharge Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3 That's no excuse though to slack off on releasing a heavy laser =.=
Yoma Carrim Situation Normal all fraked up 268	Posted - 2014.01.19 19:35:00 - [10] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: as a forge user i have no issue with dropships 2 comp dmg mods on my proto breach with lvl 4 prof WILL oneshot a non hardened non plated dropship and two shot any other dropship stupid enough to stick around for my recharge Your going to love the cal heavy aren't you? When you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck Logi, Tanker, Heavy

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10168	Posted - 2014.01.19 19:35:00 - [11] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: as a forge user i have no issue with dropships 2 comp dmg mods on my proto breach with lvl 4 prof WILL oneshot a non hardened non plated dropship and two shot any other dropship stupid enough to stick around for my recharge Which is why I mention that the only buff I would ever even consider giving forge guns is a very minor buff to charge speed, but I personally think they're just about perfect right now. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2724	Posted - 2014.01.19 19:42:00 - [12] - Quote Nope. Give them a flack cannon small turret for air defense if they want it. Problem solved without making them OHK wonders. Make them sacrifice something. Otherwise they become do-everything-fear-nothing with no need to depend upon anyone else for support. DUST is supposed to be team game, not one where you can buy a tank and do it all yourself.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1636	Posted - 2014.01.19 19:44:00 - [13] - Quote the only reason i'm not specced into dropships is how easily i knock dropship out of the air with my rail gun. dropships are amazingly good in the right hands but the only reason they aren't broken is because of rail turrets.
Darken-Soul Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 31	Posted - 2014.01.19 19:51:00 - [14] - Quote Delta90212 wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: Delta90212 wrote: Are you kidding? It's definitely not OP especially when theres railgun tanks in the redline, I noticed you didn't mention AV at all. Uhh AV doesn't really bother me as much as redline railguns really do. I know. It should but DS are OP. I am the real Darken
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2724	Posted - 2014.01.19 19:51:00 - [15] - Quote Honestly, the hit-scan nature of the railgun coupled with its high alpha and RoF makes it a trump card for any aerial vehicle. If the railgun had some real travel time it would have to predict target movement and that would inject some measure of skill. As it is you just wait for the reticle to turn red and pull the trigger. Boom- Dead. The gun's high RoF and absolute stability mean repeat shots are a no brainer. I would love to see travel time implemented for rail rounds. Distant targets would then require predictive leading and be a lot harder to hit. Is anyone but a tanker complaining about the dropship being OP? Is anyone else worried in the least when they see one in match? I know that I'm not.
Delta90212 Dust2Dust. Top Men. 164	Posted - 2014.01.19 20:01:00 - [16] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: Delta90212 wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: Delta90212 wrote: Are you kidding? It's definitely not OP especially when theres railgun tanks in the redline, I noticed you didn't mention AV at all. Uhh AV doesn't really bother me as much as redline railguns really do. I know. It should but DS are OP. It's not the dropship that is OP its the small missiles though they require a few million SP to use before you're able to use the proto smalls i say they're doing their job Fear The Tribes // Standings Minmatar 5 // Gallente 5
Darken-Soul Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 31	Posted - 2014.01.19 20:01:00 - [17] - Quote Why not just make rails like vehicle mounted forge guns? I think it would balance AV and V. honestly we would see all tankers crying about how underpowered their rails have become. When you deal with tankers its never a two way street. I am the real Darken
Darken-Soul Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 31	Posted - 2014.01.19 20:03:00 - [18] - Quote Delta90212 wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: Delta90212 wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: Delta90212 wrote: Are you kidding? It's definitely not OP especially when theres railgun tanks in the redline, I noticed you didn't mention AV at all. Uhh AV doesn't really bother me as much as redline railguns really do. I know. It should but DS are OP. It's not the dropship that is OP its the small missiles you mean if they had no missiles they couldn't kill as effectively? I had never thought of that. How insightful. I am the real Darken
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 491	Posted - 2014.01.19 20:04:00 - [19] - Quote Yoma Carrim wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: as a forge user i have no issue with dropships 2 comp dmg mods on my proto breach with lvl 4 prof WILL oneshot a non hardened non plated dropship and two shot any other dropship stupid enough to stick around for my recharge Your going to love the cal heavy aren't you? < Amarr loyalist(though not as vocal true and others) I'm waiting on dat heavy laser and them scouts(hope they get a better bonus though) Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3 That's no excuse though to slack off on releasing a heavy laser =.=
Yoma Carrim Situation Normal all fraked up 268	Posted - 2014.01.19 20:05:00 - [20] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: Why not just make rails like vehicle mounted forge guns? I think it would balance AV and V. honestly we would see all tankers crying about how underpowered their rails have become. When you deal with tankers its never a two way street. After rail tanking trough 1.0 to 1.6 I can safely say if you let me hold a charge on my rail tank with the standard FG charge time I will love you forever. Think of the increase to accuracy When you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck Logi, Tanker, Heavy

Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 442	Posted - 2014.01.19 20:09:00 - [21] - Quote Whats so hard about driving a tank up a slight incline? Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
SteelDark Knight Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 218	Posted - 2014.01.19 20:10:00 - [22] - Quote Skihids wrote: Honestly, the hit-scan nature of the railgun coupled with its high alpha and RoF makes it a trump card for any aerial vehicle. If the railgun had some real travel time it would have to predict target movement and that would inject some measure of skill. As it is you just wait for the reticle to turn red and pull the trigger. Boom- Dead. The gun's high RoF and absolute stability mean repeat shots are a no brainer. I would love to see travel time implemented for rail rounds. Distant targets would then require predictive leading and be a lot harder to hit. Is anyone but a tanker complaining about the dropship being OP? Is anyone else worried in the least when they see one in match? I know that I'm not. Large Railguns are not hit scan. You do have to lead a fast moving target and there is travel time. Just FYI
Darken-Soul Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 31	Posted - 2014.01.19 20:11:00 - [23] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: Whats so hard about driving a tank up a slight incline? finding the incline while exploding I am the real Darken
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2725	Posted - 2014.01.19 20:12:00 - [24] - Quote The gunship is the tank's natural predator. They should fear it! Think A-10 Warthog. It's old, slow, and ugly just like the dropship, but it's the mainstay for removing enemy vehicles from the battlefield.
Midas Fool Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising 330	Posted - 2014.01.19 20:22:00 - [25] - Quote HAHAHAHA wow what? ADS are finally sort of (barely) viable. Maybe you just haven't played against coordinated forge gunners in a while. If I see you in game I will do my best to prove to you that your assault dropship is, in fact, not overpowered in any way. Respect for flying them though...I won't even pull out a Viper to practice flying in the current rail tank environment. +25 Kill Assist...+25 Kill Assist...+25 Kill Assist...NO HOW WHY


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