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Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 130	Posted - 2014.01.19 02:56:00 - [1] - Quote Why are people able to snipe from on-top of the MCC. They get a cheap dropship - fly up land and recall. Its ridiculous :(
Sgt Buttscratch 1338	Posted - 2014.01.19 03:06:00 - [2] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: Why are people able to snipe from on-top of the MCC. They get a cheap dropship - fly up land and recall. Its ridiculous :( So you want the game to be a boring single dimesional snooze fest right? I like the fact that people can fly dropships upto random places and snipe, keeps you on your toes.. You can't drop hives up there(I know how to ), so they are limited to one clip before making the journey to ground then flying back up, and remember there are rail tanks everywhere these days. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 57	Posted - 2014.01.19 03:06:00 - [3] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: Why are people able to snipe from on-top of the MCC. They get a cheap dropship - fly up land and recall. Its ridiculous :( I would say - why not just snipe them off of that MCC but many many times I have tried to counter snipe - I either get 0 hit markers even though I am most definitely shooting the enemy, or I get that blue flash a 0 damage. The other day I put 2 sets of 3 rounds (6 total rounds at over 220 dmg each shot with an advanced tactical sniper) into a Thale's sniper on the other team and it registered not 1 single bit of damage. I moved closer and still I was unable to damage them. Is it elevation? Is it range? I have no idea as when I get this bug / issue I always try and move vantage point to see if it helps but usually it makes no difference. Am I missing something?
Kahn Zo Furyan Alpha 242	Posted - 2014.01.19 03:07:00 - [4] - Quote where is a will, there is a way. So it be in Dust " No no no no. I can't just fit willy nilly on my suit." ~ mollerz " yes, yes you can! when 1.8 deploys..." ~ Kahn Zo
Sgt Buttscratch 1338	Posted - 2014.01.19 03:07:00 - [5] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: Athena Sentinel wrote: Why are people able to snipe from on-top of the MCC. They get a cheap dropship - fly up land and recall. Its ridiculous :( I would say - why not just snipe them off of that MCC but many many times I have tried to counter snipe - I either get 0 hit markers even though I am most definitely shooting the enemy, or I get that blue flash a 0 damage. The other day I put 2 sets of 3 rounds (6 total rounds at over 220 dmg each shot with an advanced tactical sniper) into a Thale's sniper on the other team and it registered not 1 single bit of damage. I moved closer and still I was unable to damage them. Is it elevation? Is it range? I have no idea as when I get this bug / issue I always try and move vantage point to see if it helps but usually it makes no difference. Am I missing something? Theres certain angles to get them at, once you know them it's easy easy. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1830	Posted - 2014.01.19 03:08:00 - [6] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: Am I missing something? Rendering at that distance draws the "rough" outline instead of the real outline, causing you to see your target when you should not (See: Tower Edges) and causing that "Blue Flash." You need to be at a much better angle close to where they can roughly shoot or past that, and aim for their head as chances are the body is juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust behind cover causing blue flashes. ^ Coming from two years of counter-sniping through various levels of graphical BS. Closed Beta Vet Reading the forums detracts from overall enjoyment of the game
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 580	Posted - 2014.01.19 03:12:00 - [7] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: ANON Cerberus wrote: Am I missing something? Rendering at that distance draws the "rough" outline instead of the real outline, causing you to see your target when you should not (See: Tower Edges) and causing that "Blue Flash." You need to be at a much better angle close to where they can roughly shoot or past that, and aim for their head as chances are the body is juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust behind cover causing blue flashes. ^ Coming from two years of counter-sniping through various levels of graphical BS. Nope. It's just hit detection. Happens to me when they are right in front of me and I empty a whole mag of my rail rifle with 0 damage being dealt.
el OPERATOR Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 40	Posted - 2014.01.19 03:14:00 - [8] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: Why are people able to snipe from on-top of the MCC. They get a cheap dropship - fly up land and recall. Its ridiculous :( I thought that was an already hotfixed bug? Open-Beta Vet. NPC Corp Independent Contractor. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original.
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 57	Posted - 2014.01.19 03:18:00 - [9] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: ANON Cerberus wrote: Am I missing something? Rendering at that distance draws the "rough" outline instead of the real outline, causing you to see your target when you should not (See: Tower Edges) and causing that "Blue Flash." You need to be at a much better angle close to where they can roughly shoot or past that, and aim for their head as chances are the body is juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust behind cover causing blue flashes. ^ Coming from two years of counter-sniping through various levels of graphical BS. Nope. It's just hit detection. Happens to me when they are right in front of me and I empty a whole mag of my rail rifle with 0 damage being dealt. I have both of these problems from time to time but usually the former. CCP need to fix this, but I wont rage and shout. There is a lot CCP just leave or dont get around to in this game.
Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 132	Posted - 2014.01.19 03:21:00 - [10] - Quote There is no diminish on the weapon? Or charge/bullet drop? There is little skill needed to do this and you will kill proto suits with 10x the skill. CCP equalizes when cheap isk things are able to smash expensive fits. Landing on the MCC should cause damage - It is taking fire but you can sit on it and snipe?

Rusty Shallows 834	Posted - 2014.01.19 03:26:00 - [11] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: Why are people able to snipe from on-top of the MCC. They get a cheap dropship - fly up land and recall. Its ridiculous :( Or we can have hatches to the top accessible through the Jump Deck and skip the DS part altogether. The MCC pilot could just target that area for their missile strike. Most Eve Capsuleers would do it without a second though, then ask if they are getting a bounty payment. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2626	Posted - 2014.01.19 03:28:00 - [12] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: Landing on the MCC should cause damage - It is taking fire but you can sit on it and snipe? That just doesn't make any sense. Landing on the MCC causes damage? Just how? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 132	Posted - 2014.01.19 03:33:00 - [13] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Athena Sentinel wrote: Landing on the MCC should cause damage - It is taking fire but you can sit on it and snipe? That just doesn't make any sense. Landing on the MCC causes damage? Just how? Because it is under fire with huge missles - the splash damage should be crazy.
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 115	Posted - 2014.01.19 03:34:00 - [14] - Quote Because 20k damage missiles are being shot at it, but you can just sit on it and snipe? Legitimately the MCC should shake from the impacts, as well as slowly degrade in altitude and structural integrity due to damage and gradual system failure. And the enemiesmcc shots shouldn't land in the same place. Newbiest newberry to ever spawn a 10 page Debate
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 2556	Posted - 2014.01.19 03:38:00 - [15] - Quote from my experiances you can't snipe off due to its shields "Imagine a world where hypothetical thoughts didn't exist" -Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Nova Knife Proficeiney 5 \o/
Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 132	Posted - 2014.01.21 17:38:00 - [16] - Quote devonus durga wrote: Because 20k damage missiles are being shot at it, but you can just sit on it and snipe? Legitimately the MCC should shake from the impacts, as well as slowly degrade in altitude and structural integrity due to damage and gradual system failure. And the enemiesmcc shots shouldn't land in the same place. Ya, its a cheap way to play. You lose very little no suits and get kills like crazy. It does not promote positive gameplay. I hope this thread points them out to other snipers to help limit it. I also hope more people do it to really show the negative effect and see if CCP will stay hands off with this crap - they didn't with vehicles (I don't use vehicles so this is not a rage on nerfs for them jus ta point that CCP is more involved in controlling Dust game play unlike EVE.
Jakar Umbra Altyr Initiative 476	Posted - 2014.01.21 17:54:00 - [17] - Quote One does not simply recall a dropship on the MCC. Mainly because any dropship that comes into contact with the MCC immediately explodes and/or falls off before anything can be done. Author of Umbra's Short Stories. Last story posted 01/21/2014.
Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 133	Posted - 2014.01.21 17:55:00 - [18] - Quote Jakar Umbra wrote: One does not simply recall a dropship on the MCC. Mainly because any dropship that comes into contact with the MCC immediately explodes and/or falls off before anything can be done. People are doing this. So saying they are not or can't just means your a moron or a baddy.
Requin Toblat Glitched Connection 13	Posted - 2014.01.21 18:31:00 - [19] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: Why are people able to snipe from on-top of the MCC. They get a cheap dropship - fly up land and recall. Its ridiculous :( This was quite a popular tactic about 6 months ago, I did notice someone trying this again in a match the other day. So I will counter it as I did 6 months ago - Try and run as full a squad as possible and earn as many war points as possible, then drop an orbital on top of them - They hear the orbital coming, but usually don't think its for them, so they usually stay where they are and get wiped out including any uplinks they may have up there. Also a good idea once you've done that to have a couple of forge gunners ready should they try it again.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1659	Posted - 2014.01.21 18:53:00 - [20] - Quote deal with it

Darken-Soul Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 50	Posted - 2014.01.21 18:55:00 - [21] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: Why are people able to snipe from on-top of the MCC. They get a cheap dropship - fly up land and recall. Its ridiculous :( right? they should have a gantry to snipe from, why jump out and do all that extra work? I am the real Darken
XEROO COOL Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 379	Posted - 2014.01.21 19:02:00 - [22] - Quote You can get up there... you can recall your DS... you can snipe from there... you can be shot up there.. you cannot drop uplinks... you cannot drop nanos... unless there is a glitch I am unaware of Also... if you do this... the same if you bring a thale into a pub match... I will get out my DS with scanner hardeners and booster on it.... I will hunt you down.. and kill you... no matter how many DS I lose... or how many suits I lose... you cannot run far enough into the redline to escape. don't believe me.... try me next time you are in a game with me on the other side. Everyone has a plan until you punch em in the face! (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Xeroo.Cool on Skype.
Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 136	Posted - 2014.01.21 19:06:00 - [23] - Quote It should destroy your DS trying to land on the MCC. Or increase your chance to take splash damage. There is no skill involved. I like to think good snipers don't have to snipe from redline. They are much more tactful. Maybe I am wrong.
Sgt Buttscratch 1359	Posted - 2014.01.21 19:12:00 - [24] - Quote Sniping on the MCC doesn't make you a bad sniper, if done right you claim an excellent vantage point in which you can watch the enemy, call on incomming movements from infantry, tanks. you can get kills in and support your teams, and in actuallity it's easy to counter. I like the idea of MCC sniping. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 136	Posted - 2014.01.21 19:16:00 - [25] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: Sniping on the MCC doesn't make you a bad sniper, if done right you claim an excellent vantage point in which you can watch the enemy, call on incomming movements from infantry, tanks. you can get kills in and support your teams, and in actuallity it's easy to counter. I like the idea of MCC sniping. ha ha ya, one sniper on his MCC and the other on his. They can't reach each other to counter but take easy kills on infantry that can't counter them. This leaves the "good" snipers (rare) to cross the map far enough to get in range of the MCC sniper without being spotted and taking them out. What do you think requires more skill?
mollerz Minja Scouts 2053	Posted - 2014.01.21 19:20:00 - [26] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: So you want the game to be a boring single dimensional snooze fest right? I like the fact that people can fly dropships upto random places and snipe, keeps you on your toes.. You can't drop hives up there(I know how to ), so they are limited to one clip before making the journey to ground then flying back up, and remember there are rail tanks everywhere these days. In order for me to think sniping from the top of the MCC is cool would mean you'd also have to remove the redline. it's not that it makes it a one dimensional game, it's just that it's another glitch/exploit people need or they'd suck. This game hinges on too many expoits vs actual gameplay. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 138	Posted - 2014.01.21 19:22:00 - [27] - Quote mollerz wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: So you want the game to be a boring single dimensional snooze fest right? I like the fact that people can fly dropships upto random places and snipe, keeps you on your toes.. You can't drop hives up there(I know how to ), so they are limited to one clip before making the journey to ground then flying back up, and remember there are rail tanks everywhere these days. In order for me to think sniping from the top of the MCC is cool would mean you'd also have to remove the redline. it's not that it makes it a one dimensional game, it's just that it's another glitch/exploit people need or they'd suck. This game hinges on too many expoits vs actual gameplay. wicked point! one dimensional game play speaks volumes of truth!
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1636	Posted - 2014.01.21 19:23:00 - [28] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: Athena Sentinel wrote: Why are people able to snipe from on-top of the MCC. They get a cheap dropship - fly up land and recall. Its ridiculous :( I would say - why not just snipe them off of that MCC but many many times I have tried to counter snipe - I either get 0 hit markers even though I am most definitely shooting the enemy, or I get that blue flash a 0 damage. The other day I put 2 sets of 3 rounds (6 total rounds at over 220 dmg each shot with an advanced tactical sniper) into a Thale's sniper on the other team and it registered not 1 single bit of damage. I moved closer and still I was unable to damage them. Is it elevation? Is it range? I have no idea as when I get this bug / issue I always try and move vantage point to see if it helps but usually it makes no difference. Am I missing something? Dropship surfing forgegun. Armor and Shields are not the same!
Dheez STRONG-ARMED BANDITS Public Disorder. 44	Posted - 2014.01.21 19:51:00 - [29] - Quote Depends on the MAP, where some MCC are way up high Snipers will often end up with rendering problems. Also, if you're the one getting shot at, request for OB and drop it on him, To get your point across and he's got nowhere to run or hide.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1659	Posted - 2014.01.21 20:04:00 - [30] - Quote temp

calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1659	Posted - 2014.01.21 20:10:00 - [31] - Quote let me help with this =) gun -> bullet -> head-> no more sniper
ugg reset Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 445	Posted - 2014.01.21 21:23:00 - [32] - Quote I'm fine with MCC snipers. what Im not fine with is the invisible hit box on the MCC making it difficult to tell when the sniper is behind "cover". if the root of the problem is caused by drop ships. shouldn't at least one solution involve them as well? 15 seconds is plenty of time for an assault DS to run in and kill someone. Thr33 is the magic number.
Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 140	Posted - 2014.01.21 21:48:00 - [33] - Quote ty for the feedback guys - I hope this brings some light on the issue. If you can't beat them join them. Do what you want - But if you feel uber sniping from the MCC your a noob. As it was mentioned in this thread you need to exploit game mechanics or you would fail.. to true. I do not support one dimensional game play.
m621 zma OMFGZOMBIESRUN 96	Posted - 2014.01.21 21:49:00 - [34] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: They get a cheap dropship - fly up land and recall. If you knew the answer why did you post?
Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 140	Posted - 2014.01.21 21:50:00 - [35] - Quote m621 zma wrote: Athena Sentinel wrote: They get a cheap dropship - fly up land and recall. If you knew the answer why did you post? If you didn't know the answer why did you post?
m621 zma OMFGZOMBIESRUN 96	Posted - 2014.01.21 21:51:00 - [36] - Quote mollerz wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: So you want the game to be a boring single dimensional snooze fest right? I like the fact that people can fly dropships upto random places and snipe, keeps you on your toes.. You can't drop hives up there(I know how to ), so they are limited to one clip before making the journey to ground then flying back up, and remember there are rail tanks everywhere these days. In order for me to think sniping from the top of the MCC is cool would mean you'd also have to remove the redline. it's not that it makes it a one dimensional game, it's just that it's another glitch/exploit people need or they'd suck. This game hinges on too many expoits vs actual gameplay. We used to have fights on top of the MCC back in the 'good old days'
Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 140	Posted - 2014.01.21 21:54:00 - [37] - Quote m621 zma wrote: mollerz wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: So you want the game to be a boring single dimensional snooze fest right? I like the fact that people can fly dropships upto random places and snipe, keeps you on your toes.. You can't drop hives up there(I know how to ), so they are limited to one clip before making the journey to ground then flying back up, and remember there are rail tanks everywhere these days. In order for me to think sniping from the top of the MCC is cool would mean you'd also have to remove the redline. it's not that it makes it a one dimensional game, it's just that it's another glitch/exploit people need or they'd suck. This game hinges on too many expoits vs actual gameplay. We used to have fights on top of the MCC back in the 'good old days' Ya my answer for it now is.. Time limit for red zone all around. If its yours you have longer but still no sitting in red. Fight or leave combat.
mollerz Minja Scouts 2058	Posted - 2014.01.21 21:54:00 - [38] - Quote m621 zma wrote: mollerz wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: So you want the game to be a boring single dimensional snooze fest right? I like the fact that people can fly dropships upto random places and snipe, keeps you on your toes.. You can't drop hives up there(I know how to ), so they are limited to one clip before making the journey to ground then flying back up, and remember there are rail tanks everywhere these days. In order for me to think sniping from the top of the MCC is cool would mean you'd also have to remove the redline. it's not that it makes it a one dimensional game, it's just that it's another glitch/exploit people need or they'd suck. This game hinges on too many expoits vs actual gameplay. We used to have fights on top of the MCC back in the 'good old days' I know. I've knifed snipers on MCCs. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Foo Fighting Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 52	Posted - 2014.01.21 22:07:00 - [39] - Quote On the small map (the one that never changes) with B at the centre and the raised platforms and pipes, if your team is at the end with E, it's possible to get onto the enemy MCC. I've only been up there once and I didn't fly the ds but there is a small area that is outside of the redline.
Hoover Damn H.A.R.V.E.S.T. Legacy Rising 18	Posted - 2014.01.21 22:12:00 - [40] - Quote Oh hey, I'm gonna have to try this next time I get redlined...



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