DUST Search - CCP - AMARR ASSAULT BONUS vs Gallente

Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:

1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:

KING CHECKMATE wrote:

Well regarding that. I have actually gotten back to scouting.But even if i dont plan on using Med Frames any more, it does not mean i wont speak my mind on them.... ;)

Again, well elaborated response. +1

I too have recently gotten into Scouts for multiple reasons, but mostly due to me having maxed out my assault suit in the way thats perfect for me, now I have 2 roles I am proficient in.

I think no matter what I'm going to stick to the Amarr Assault, and in preparation for the possibility of losing my heat sink I've been practicing by using a ScR on my Scout.

I've played with the ScR since they day it came out and it is the most fascinating weapon in the game IMO. The Weapon performs two distinct roles that depend on what kind of soldier is carrying it.

If you treat it like a rifle, running and gunning with it you'll most likely be caught with your pants down and your palms scorched

-snip-

It simply DeIncentivizes the use of the Assault ak.0 when using the Racial suit and the Racial weapon is just as effective when used by any other suit for that matter

See, life without the heat bonus DOES exist! Big smile

I used it for months without the Ak.0 bonus.

Anyhow, I think the thing I'm most sore about isn't how effective the bonus is but more that it was the only bonus to let a suit have proper synergy with a weapon. It's a brilliant thing, really. What I'd love to see is something along these lines:

1x damage bonus
1x tank bonus

E.g.
Damage:

Amarr: 25% reduction to heat build-up with laser weaponry
Gallente: x% bonus to damage and RoF with plasma weaponry
Caldari: x% reduction to charge-up time and x% increase to range/decrease in recoil of rail weaponry (not so sure about this one)
Minmatar: 50% bonus to damage mod efficacy.

Tank:

Amarr: 25% bonus to plate HP bonus
Gallente: 50% bonus to armour repairer efficacy
Caldari: 25% bonus to extender HP bonus
Minmatar: 50% bonus to shield regen speed


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1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 862	Posted - 2014.01.18 23:20:00 - [1] - Quote I'm inclined to believe that we might see a complete overhaul in terms of medium suits' stats and slot layouts, but this is all speculation. I must say though, the heat bonus is one of the best bonuses in the game that made the Amarr Assault the only true assault suit that had a bonus which directly augmented its ability to assault. Gal and Cal get more health, thats cool Now if we look at Min and Amarr, the Minmatar get a DPS bonus.. okay cool, the Amarr should just keep the bonus we have already which would in turn make it a DPS bonus; mirroring the Minmatar Gal/Cal: Tank Min/Amarr: Gank Makes sense no? The Sinwarden
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 863	Posted - 2014.01.18 23:37:00 - [2] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: I'm inclined to believe that we might see a complete overhaul in terms of medium suits' stats and slot layouts, but this is all speculation. I must say though, the heat bonus is one of the best bonuses in the game that made the Amarr Assault the only true assault suit that had a bonus which directly augmented its ability to assault. Gal and Cal get more health, thats cool Now if we look at Min and Amarr, the Minmatar get a DPS bonus.. okay cool, the Amarr should just keep the bonus we have already which would in turn make it a DPS bonus; mirroring the Minmatar Gal/Cal: Tank Min/Amarr: Gank Makes sense no? Agree Amarr probably had the second best bonus for an assault suit behind cal, gal had the worst assault bonus Second that, edited OP. Honestly the rep bonus would/could be nice, and I have a few fits in mind which will revolve around the speculative bonuses but it just makes no sense to me; if perhaps the Gal got the rep bonus and the Amarr would get a plate bonus it would make a bit more sense since the Gal has the low slots to play around with and the Amarr can just focus on durability and gungame but if were going for Racial Symmetry its illogical to give the Minmatar a DPS bonus (which I am not against since the Min assaults are in need of a buff and this is an interesting, risk vs reward buff) whereas the Amarr get a near insignificant regeneration bonus. I'll restate once more: Racial Symmetry Gal/Cal: EHP bonus, Armor and Shields respectively Min/Amarr: DPS bonus. Fast Hit n Run and Slow Brawler respectively Minmatar gets a bonus that only works if you put on a damage mod on one or more of your highs and the Amarr has a bonus that only works when you use 1 of the only 2 laser weapons in the game, the most useful of the two being high in CPU/PG resources and revolves around an overheat mechanic. With that said; I am excited to see what CCP has in store for the medium suits The Sinwarden
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 870	Posted - 2014.01.18 23:59:00 - [3] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Well regarding that. I have actually gotten back to scouting.But even if i dont plan on using Med Frames any more, it does not mean i wont speak my mind on them.... ;) Again, well elaborated response. +1 I too have recently gotten into Scouts for multiple reasons, but mostly due to me having maxed out my assault suit in the way thats perfect for me, now I have 2 roles I am proficient in. I think no matter what I'm going to stick to the Amarr Assault, and in preparation for the possibility of losing my heat sink I've been practicing by using a ScR on my Scout. I've played with the ScR since they day it came out and it is the most fascinating weapon in the game IMO. The Weapon performs two distinct roles that depend on what kind of soldier is carrying it: ScR without Assault ak.0: Mid-Long range Marksman Wielded on any suit the ScR becomes the ultimate mid-range sniper, the way I use it is like a bolt-action sniper; making every single charge shot count aiming for critical mass to take down low health opponents or center of mass to inflict burst alpha damage and finish off engagements with a sidearm If you treat it like a rifle, running and gunning with it you'll most likely be caught with your pants down and your palms scorched ScR with Assault ak.0: The Dedicated Marksman of the Amarr Empire's Imperial Forces Wielded by Elite marksmen with specialized dropsuits the ScR becomes something akin to the modern DMR, Semi-automatic high accuracy rifle. When a ScR is paired with an Assault ak.0 the terms Dedicated Marksman starts to make more sense, the built in heat sink allows the Assault ak.0 to maximize its role as Dedicated Marksman, able to pick off 2 or 3 targets with deadly efficiency at range or clear a room with clever heat management and smart use of a sidearm. The thing is if you take away the bonus from the Assault ak.0 it's not so much that it becomes underpowered since the Reps (and a possibile rebalancing of TTK) could prove to be a useful bonus, but it just completely changes what I thought the intended role of the suit is. I love the ScR and without the ak.0 Bonus I would use it as I mentioned above; a Mid to long range marksman, mostly likely fit on a Gallente scout. It simply DeIncentivizes the use of the Assault ak.0 when using the Racial suit and the Racial weapon is just as effective when used by any other suit for that matter The Sinwarden
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 873	Posted - 2014.01.19 00:14:00 - [4] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Well regarding that. I have actually gotten back to scouting.But even if i dont plan on using Med Frames any more, it does not mean i wont speak my mind on them.... ;) Again, well elaborated response. +1 I too have recently gotten into Scouts for multiple reasons, but mostly due to me having maxed out my assault suit in the way thats perfect for me, now I have 2 roles I am proficient in. I think no matter what I'm going to stick to the Amarr Assault, and in preparation for the possibility of losing my heat sink I've been practicing by using a ScR on my Scout. I've played with the ScR since they day it came out and it is the most fascinating weapon in the game IMO. The Weapon performs two distinct roles that depend on what kind of soldier is carrying it. If you treat it like a rifle, running and gunning with it you'll most likely be caught with your pants down and your palms scorched -snip- It simply DeIncentivizes the use of the Assault ak.0 when using the Racial suit and the Racial weapon is just as effective when used by any other suit for that matter See, life without the heat bonus DOES exist! I used it for months without the Ak.0 bonus. Anyhow, I think the thing I'm most sore about isn't how effective the bonus is but more that it was the only bonus to let a suit have proper synergy with a weapon. It's a brilliant thing, really. What I'd love to see is something along these lines: 1x damage bonus 1x tank bonus E.g. Damage: Amarr: 25% reduction to heat build-up with laser weaponry Gallente: x% bonus to damage and RoF with plasma weaponry Caldari: x% reduction to charge-up time and x% increase to range/decrease in recoil of rail weaponry (not so sure about this one) Minmatar: 50% bonus to damage mod efficacy. Tank: Amarr: 25% bonus to plate HP bonus Gallente: 50% bonus to armour repairer efficacy Caldari: 25% bonus to extender HP bonus Minmatar: 50% bonus to shield regen speed But we have to work within the boundaries of: 1x Blanket Bonus and 1x Racial Bonus Which is why I like the idea of each opposing pair of factions focusing on one particular thing; Gal/Cal: Tank and Min/Amarr; Gank The simplest, most logical has to be: Amarr: 25% reduction to heat build-up with laser weaponry Gallente: 50% bonus to armour plate efficacy Caldari: 25% bonus to extender HP bonus Minmatar: 50% bonus to damage mod efficacy. It just. Makes. Sense. The Sinwarden
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 879	Posted - 2014.01.19 00:31:00 - [5] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: though 50% on plates is too much lol I got lazy and copy-pasted your list from your post and changes the Armor Repair to Armor Plate, and forgot to change the 50% :/ Numbers are not what concern me though, just the nature of the bonuses themselves The Sinwarden
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 880	Posted - 2014.01.19 00:38:00 - [6] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: I would take the reps, not that low however. You wanna trade? Get CCP to up those rep percentages, then is be happy to give up armour plate bonus. You can keep your bonuses, all i want is to keep mine :) The Sinwarden