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Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2014.01.19 00:37:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I was hoping for something more interesting :(
And if you been paying attention the bonuses only effect the suit itself not its use with modules.
5% Stamina max, regen and 5% reduction in stamina consumption
But IWS, so does every other scout. All the other scouts bonuses apply directly to the suit itself and are the equivalent of having a built in complex module plus more, while the Amarr bonus is the equivalent of having less than the value of basic cardiac regulator built in.
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Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2014.01.19 01:13:00 -
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Galvan Nized wrote:Summ Dude wrote:Out of all of these suggestions, my favorite so far is definitely increasing the scrambler pistol headshot bonus damage, while keeping the current stamina bonuses of course. It seems like it would stack up/match the Minnie Scout's NK bonus very well. As both will increase the already rather high alpha damage of weapons that are virtually all alpha damage, but both are very nichey and require skill to use (need to get in close to use NK, need to land a headshot with the scrambler pistol). And this would seem to follow the same logic as the Caldari and Gallente Scouts' bonuses matching up against each other. Headshot bonus isn't bad, just what would it be? ScPs already have 4.5 bonus. The way the math works out even if it is 2x bonus you are now getting 9x bonus for a headshot...everything is a factor nothing is added. Maybe just 50% (1.5x)? That's still 6.75x for a headshot. Also you don't HAVE to land headshots to dominate with the ScP. The TT-3 and up Rof and high damage can easily kill mercs, if you have enough ammo and are not dealing with an armor tanker. Headshots are just a great bonus.
If it was a scrambler pistol headshot bonus, it'd probably be 5% per level, so 1.25 which makes headshots do 5.625 rather than the normal 4.5. That'd be an acceptable bonus. Making it a straight up damage bonus to all scrambler pistol shots would be OP, and this way it would encourage more marksmanship out of scout who'd probably need to be better about conserving ammo anyways.
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Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2014.01.19 01:23:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
While fair..... I find the bonus redundant. We already have a 450% bonus to head shot damage, for a rather specific act as a natural part of the weapon.
I don't really think more damage is required from the Scarmbler Pistol Headshot bonus.
Agreed True. And can you imagine how that'd get abused with people firing while cloaked?
The best bonus would be something to do with scouting. Perhaps more sprint speed per level.
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Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2014.01.19 01:50:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:True Adamance wrote:
While fair..... I find the bonus redundant. We already have a 450% bonus to head shot damage, for a rather specific act as a natural part of the weapon.
I don't really think more damage is required from the Scarmbler Pistol Headshot bonus.
Agreed True. And can you imagine how that'd get abused with people firing while cloaked? The best bonus would be something to do with scouting. Perhaps more sprint speed per level. I really don't like the idea of more sprint speed per level, as that would nullify the role of the minmitar scout as being the go to unit for maximum speed. I think a bonus to scrambler pistol mag cap would be good, in addition to an inherent 25-50% bonus to base stamina/stamina regen.
Well I said sprint speed, not movement speed. Minmatar would still be better movers, as well as better hackers and slasher, but I understand what you're saying.
Scrambler pistol mag cap would not be a good bonus in my opinion because that is already the Scrambler Pistol Operations bonus.
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Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2014.01.20 18:29:00 -
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Whiskey Fueled Merc wrote:Just to be clear. Stamina and regen are two bonuses. If you want this as a single bonus you'd have to choose either stamina OR regen. Not both.
This why the minmatar doesn't have nova knife damage AND melee damage and hacking speed.
(whoops posted on my alt)
Just to be clear, stamina and stamina regen are covered in one module, just like scan precision, profile dampening, or hacking speed are each covered in one module. Whether you like it or not, how bonuses are applied within modules affects how racial bonuses should be handled.
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Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2014.01.20 18:33:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:5% bonus to praying per level.
This would be a good bonus 
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Posted - 2014.01.20 18:37:00 -
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Zeylon Rho wrote:A droplink bonus to their function minimalizes the logi bonus (assuming that IS still the logi bonus, which we don't know).
However, a fitting bonus to links specifically could be useful, since droplinks can be a little hard to fit compared to other equipment - and the droplinks wouldn't have the "improved" stat bit like the Logi. It seems like with the improved fitting stats and slots on the scouts, something like that wouldn't really be necessary though.
I think a better-than-current stamina bonus and ScP clip-size is my favorite of the currently suggested bonuses as far as being reasonable. Swapping the clip-size with sprint speed, range bonuses, etc. is a bit more questionable balance-wise.
Another fitting reduction would not be a good choice, since the class bonus is already a fitting reduction bonus.
Also Scrambler Pistol Operations is already an increase in clip-size, so another bonus to that becomes redundant.
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Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2014.01.20 18:45:00 -
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Magnus Amadeuss wrote:I don't really have an answer, but I can throw out some guidance.
It seem like the average suit bonus for scouts is worth 1 prototype, 1 advanced, and 1 basic module. Try to design the amarr scout bonus around this structure.
This is what we've been trying to suggest, but every time we bring it out everyone complains that the Amarr already have better base stats, which of course is completely subjective. And honestly, every race has something special about it's base stats (Amarr 30 more HP, Gallente 3 hp/s armor repair, Caldari 50 shield recharge rate, Minmatar faster speed and 10% faster hacking), so really bonuses should be balanced within themselves.
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