For those that care, All this assumes lvl 5 scout and lvl 5 gallogi where applicable. This also assumes they do not change base scanner stats

All scouts avoid all but proto scaners with scout profile alone (35 db)
All scouts with lvl 5 dampening can avoid all but the focused proto scanner and a galogi regular proto scanner (26.25 db)
All scouts with lvl 5 dampening and 1x complex mod can avoid all but focused scanners (1 complex mod needed to get under regular gallogi proto scanner) (20.55) * Note* this is if CCP does not round 20.55 up to 21. If they do round up, non-gal scouts will need 2x complex dampeners to avoid the regular gallogi proto scanner
A Gal Scout with lvl 5 dampening will avoid all but the focus proto scanner with skill and dampening alone (19.687 db)
A Gal Scout can avoid non gallogi focused scanners with 1x complex (15.414)
A Gal Scout will need 3x complex dampeners to avoid gallogi focused scanner (x2 complex only gets you to 11.55 db)
A medium frame will need 2x complex dampeners to avoid a gallogi advanced scanner
No medium frame in the game can avoid a galogi regular proto scanner (3 x complex only gets you down to 23.52 db)

So what have we learned from this?

All but the gal scout will still need to equip a complex dampener if you want to avoid getting scanned by an easy to equip proto scanner of the gallogi.
There is no since in a gal scout ever equipping a profile dampener.
Profile dampeners are no longer useful to medium frame at all.
Only the Gallogi has a change in hell of seeing a Gal Scout.

In other words, 1 frame invisible to all, 1 frame can see everything. If they respec us, I'm skilling into both.

They should really...remove scanners. Or nerf them so I at least have a chance of ******* them up when they are a little aware, but if they scan me in the open, I'm tagged until the timer runs out...or it doesn't.

Profile dampeners are no longer useful to medium frame at all.
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In other words, 1 frame invisible to all, 1 frame can see everything.

For those that care, All this assumes lvl 5 scout and lvl 5 gallogi where applicable. This also assumes they do not change base scanner stats

All scouts avoid all but proto scaners with scout profile alone (35 db)
All scouts with lvl 5 dampening can avoid all but the focused proto scanner and a galogi regular proto scanner (26.25 db)
All scouts with lvl 5 dampening and 1x complex mod can avoid all but focused scanners (1 complex mod needed to get under regular gallogi proto scanner) (20.55) * Note* this is if CCP does not round 20.55 up to 21. If they do round up, non-gal scouts will need 2x complex dampeners to avoid the regular gallogi proto scanner
A Gal Scout with lvl 5 dampening will avoid all but the focus proto scanner with skill and dampening alone (19.687 db)
A Gal Scout can avoid non gallogi focused scanners with 1x complex (15.414)
A Gal Scout will need 3x complex dampeners to avoid gallogi focused scanner (x2 complex only gets you to 11.55 db)
A medium frame will need 2x complex dampeners to avoid a gallogi advanced scanner
No medium frame in the game can avoid a galogi regular proto scanner (3 x complex only gets you down to 23.52 db)

So what have we learned from this?

All but the gal scout will still need to equip a complex dampener if you want to avoid getting scanned by an easy to equip proto scanner of the gallogi.
There is no since in a gal scout ever equipping a profile dampener.
Profile dampeners are no longer useful to medium frame at all.
Only the Gallogi has a change in hell of seeing a Gal Scout.

In other words, 1 frame invisible to all, 1 frame can see everything. If they respec us, I'm skilling into both.

Let's hope the stats for the active scanners are changing, too. Otherwise this looks very broken.

Why are you assuming that your going to run into a gal logi with a scanner in all situations? With all the new bonuses around don't you think they'll be a **** ton of people in tons of other suits? And with the suit rebalance, less FoTM killers with be in logi suits, hopefully leaving the ones who want to logi in those suits further decreasing the number of gal logis on the field because some people may not want that bonus over the other logi suits.

People need to stop freaking out about that one suit. Yea their scanner will be strong, but unless that Gal logi is with a squad that can take out whatever he's scanning than the point is mute.

And what math are you frigging using? A complex dampener decreases your profile (after the passive decrease of the skill) by 25% with no stacking penalty. A medium suit with a (current because we don't know the new medium frame values) 50db + max skill -> 45, plus 3 complexs would be 11.45. And if you about to say you did it where the modules apply one at a time meaning 25% of each new total after each modules that would still be 18.984375~

That's the only example I did the math for, but if you were that wrong there then I'm just going to assume everything before that was crap.

and it's a contradiction, too.

In PC, there will be at least a few Gal logis on each team. It matters a lot. Are you one of the people who think the game should cater to only the casual playerbase?

IIRC, Dampeners do have a stacking penalty, the skill just doesn't say it. Stuff like that has happened before.

Thanks for pointing it out. I was biting my nails here trying not to be that guy.

And what math are you frigging using? A complex dampener decreases your profile (after the passive decrease of the skill) by 25% with no stacking penalty. A medium suit with a (current because we don't know the new medium frame values) 50db + max skill -> 45, plus 3 complexs would be 11.45. And if you about to say you did it where the modules apply one at a time meaning 25% of each new total after each modules that would still be 18.984375~

That's the only example I did the math for, but if you were that wrong there then I'm just going to assume everything before that was crap.

Wrong.

The actual math on a med frame with three dampeners and max skills works out to 22.64 CCP rounds up at .6, so 23.

This is the correct equation for this math:

(50 GÇó .9) GÇó (1 - .25) GÇó (1 - (.869GÇó.25)) GÇó (1 - (.571GÇó.25)) = 22.64

These are the stacking penalties:

1st mod: 100.0% effectiveness
2nd mod: 86.9% effectiveness
3rd mod: 57.1% effectiveness
4th mod: 28.3% effectiveness-á
5th mod: 10.6% effectiveness

{edit>>> while doc's math is not precisely acurate, it is within an acceptable margine of error. Which is far more than I can say for your math.

Thanks for pointing it out. I was biting my nails here trying not to be that guy.

The statement while not 100% correct is probably 99% correct. Only 1 scanner in the game, held by one frame, can defeat a gal scout with 1 complex dampener, which the most will not wear. Only the gallogi equipping that scanner can see everything, which also most will not equip.

What I wonder is how many non gal scouts will equip 1 complex dampener to avoid a gal regular proto scanner.

While I appreciate your stats, I don't feel like your conclusion is realistic.
This stuff only really applies to people who want to go all-out into scanning or dampening.

I can tell you right now that proto scanners are a very rare sight on the battlefield.

On a side note: I'm only 2 battles into operation shinobi and I already have 22 kills 13 deaths. You people really need to watch your and your teammates' backs.