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Evolution-7 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 310	Posted - 2014.01.17 18:27:00 - [1] - Quote Discuss! I personally think they should. Veteran Pilot "Fight on and fly on to the last drop of blood and the last drop of fuel, to the last beat of the heart."
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4015	Posted - 2014.01.17 18:29:00 - [2] - Quote So a 10% bonus to rate of fire isn't good enough for you? TTK is low enough as it is. Winner of at least 9 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D
DeeJay One Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 192	Posted - 2014.01.17 18:31:00 - [3] - Quote Evolution-7 wrote: Discuss! I personally think they should. Nope. If you need additional ammo or drop uplink contact your local logistics or scout department.
richiesutie 2 The Rainbow Effect 654	Posted - 2014.01.17 18:31:00 - [4] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: So a 10% bonus to rate of fire isn't good enough for you? TTK is low enough as it is. Pwese expwain how wit wood Efect TTK? compilation of Patch/build notes Check it out! :)
NobIesse Oblige Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 38	Posted - 2014.01.17 18:32:00 - [5] - Quote NO. Logi's and scouts should be the only ones with more than one equip. Assaults should get more ehp than all but heavies, should be faster than all but scouts, and have a sidearm to smack someone when the ammo runs out and there's no time to reload. No making assaults into logi's... IF CCP are idiots and decide to test this out though in the interest of "**** let's just toss this in and try it again" then they need to make it one racial varient and that race should take a hit on other slots and speed compared to other assaults. Similar to the Ammar logi that crosses into the assault but is slower than other logi's and doesn't get quite the same slot count. 0.02 isk
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 469	Posted - 2014.01.17 18:33:00 - [6] - Quote I don't see the reason for this, with their new bonusses they will do what they are supoosed to do beeing a frontline soldier. You have to consider that unlike scouts assault should attack in a team with logi support. The scout on the oher hand should focus on operations behind enemy lines and need to be more independent from support than the other suits...
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 909	Posted - 2014.01.17 18:34:00 - [7] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: So a 10% bonus to rate of fire isn't good enough for you? TTK is low enough as it is. o,o To be fair, we're better off with an Ammo bonus or something instead of RoF since not all weapons can have their "RoF" affected. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4015	Posted - 2014.01.17 18:35:00 - [8] - Quote richiesutie 2 wrote: Patrick57 wrote: So a 10% bonus to rate of fire isn't good enough for you? TTK is low enough as it is. Pwese expwain how wit wood Efect TTK? Putting out more bullets in a shorter time = putting out more damage Winner of at least 9 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D
Aisha Ctarl Pradox One Proficiency V. 2899	Posted - 2014.01.17 18:36:00 - [9] - Quote You're assault, not a logi - only scouts and logis should have more than one equipment slot. Aisha Ctarl for CPM1
Evolution-7 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 310	Posted - 2014.01.17 18:38:00 - [10] - Quote Maybe at just prototype level? mwaybeee? Veteran Pilot "Fight on and fly on to the last drop of blood and the last drop of fuel, to the last beat of the heart."

Mordecai Sanguine What The French 291	Posted - 2014.01.17 18:39:00 - [11] - Quote Evolution-7 wrote: Discuss! I personally think they should. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1732257#post1732257 No they shouldn't but they should receive bonuses on their weaponery and damagers. Not Raw bonuses like "DAMAAAAGE" but subtle bonuses.
richiesutie 2 The Rainbow Effect 654	Posted - 2014.01.17 18:41:00 - [12] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: richiesutie 2 wrote: Patrick57 wrote: So a 10% bonus to rate of fire isn't good enough for you? TTK is low enough as it is. Pwese expwain how wit wood Efect TTK? Putting out more bullets in a shorter time = putting out more damage How does an extra equipment slot affect TTK? compilation of Patch/build notes Check it out! :)
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2698	Posted - 2014.01.17 18:44:00 - [13] - Quote The Scouts are already trying to steal our jobs with two equipment slots. People complained about Logis being better at assaulting than the Assault suit, and now you want to flip that and make Assault suits better for front line Logi work than the Logi suit. Figures.
Xender17 Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 979	Posted - 2014.01.17 18:44:00 - [14] - Quote richiesutie 2 wrote: Patrick57 wrote: richiesutie 2 wrote: Patrick57 wrote: So a 10% bonus to rate of fire isn't good enough for you? TTK is low enough as it is. Pwese expwain how wit wood Efect TTK? Putting out more bullets in a shorter time = putting out more damage How does an extra equipment slot affect TTK? Im pretty sure they are talking about what you are getting or have and how it will show that you don't need a 2nd equipment slot. Prt SL, SCR, SR . ADV FGs, MDs, LaZor, KNs. Gunnlogi, Falchion, Python, Caldari LDS. (+require) Prt L. Am, Adv HVY, LGS
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1585	Posted - 2014.01.17 18:45:00 - [15] - Quote No your getting tank/gank/speed and now you want to be a Logi?
Reiki Jubo Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 283	Posted - 2014.01.17 18:45:00 - [16] - Quote yeeeaaaah. NO.
Zimander Tickle My Null-Sac 25	Posted - 2014.01.17 18:46:00 - [17] - Quote Evolution-7 wrote: Discuss! I personally think they should. EDIT: How about just at prototype? If you add second equipment to assault there be no need for logi
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5607	Posted - 2014.01.17 18:47:00 - [18] - Quote As an assault I say this: No Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4534	Posted - 2014.01.17 18:49:00 - [19] - Quote Lolno, Scouts just got seperated from being weaker assaults, and now you want to undo all that work CCP has done. Why does an Assault need two Equips anyway? Knight Soiaire for SeePeeEm -1
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4017	Posted - 2014.01.17 18:49:00 - [20] - Quote richiesutie 2 wrote: How does an extra equipment slot affect TTK? I wasn't talking about equipment, I was saying that since Assaults are already getting a 10% bonus to rate of fire, TTK is going to decrease even more. You don't need an extra equipment and the ROF increase. Winner of at least 9 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8131	Posted - 2014.01.17 18:51:00 - [21] - Quote AW HEEEELLLLL NO! But basic medium frames should get a 2nd equipment, and be between assaults and logis. More on basic frames here. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3685	Posted - 2014.01.17 18:55:00 - [22] - Quote Evolution-7 wrote: Discuss! I personally think they should. EDIT: How about just at prototype? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH NO. GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2009	Posted - 2014.01.17 18:57:00 - [23] - Quote Skihids wrote: The Scouts are already trying to steal our jobs with two equipment slots. People complained about Logis being better at assaulting than the Assault suit, and now you want to flip that and make Assault suits better for front line Logi work than the Logi suit. Figures. Na, it's for cloaks and scanners. I doubt you will see scouts being mini Logis. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1575	Posted - 2014.01.17 19:04:00 - [24] - Quote And here is an example of all of the Combat Logi's who will be respeccing into Assault to retain their combat effectiveness.......and then basically asking for Logi benefits anyways. 1.8 Analysis - Sentinel Damage Efficiency Calcs
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 971	Posted - 2014.01.17 19:14:00 - [25] - Quote Skihids wrote: The Scouts are already trying to steal our jobs with two equipment slots. People complained about Logis being better at assaulting than the Assault suit, and now you want to flip that and make Assault suits better for front line Logi work than the Logi suit. Figures. Decloaks No I'm not. throws RE and vanishes into the void {:)}{3GÇó>
Berserker007 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 384	Posted - 2014.01.17 19:19:00 - [26] - Quote from a vets POV, back in the good days of dust, assaults had 2 equipment slots; and most ran assault, not b/c of that, but b/c at the time logi's were a POS. Now, logi's aren't a POS by any means. I would say give assaults their 2nd equip slot back (at proto level only as it doesn't hinder logi's usefulness at all (as most cases, assault would run hives and something else... leaving logis w/ reper's, uplinks, scanners, etc...), it would simply allow for more customization and give the assult that threat back, as since 1.6 assaults have lost that threat they use to have
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo 2180	Posted - 2014.01.17 19:29:00 - [27] - Quote Very simple, NO and here's why. In beta a squad of assault with their 2 equipment did it better than a squad with a logi. Logis generally run slower than an assault as well. We don't need logis being a 'fun' Only class again. Ccp didn't remove that extra equipment from assaults for fun, ^ that is why they did. Theres nothing to discuss. Level 2 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo 2180	Posted - 2014.01.17 19:30:00 - [28] - Quote Berserker007 wrote: from a vets POV, back in the good days of dust, assaults had 2 equipment slots; and most ran assault, not b/c of that, but b/c at the time logi's were a POS. Now, logi's aren't a POS by any means. I would say give assaults their 2nd equip slot back (at proto level only as it doesn't hinder logi's usefulness at all (as most cases, assault would run hives and something else... leaving logis w/ reper's, uplinks, scanners, etc...), it would simply allow for more customization and give the assult that threat back, as since 1.6 assaults have lost that threat they use to have Hhhmmm, fair point. Level 2 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1143	Posted - 2014.01.17 19:31:00 - [29] - Quote Skihids wrote: The Scouts are already trying to steal our jobs with two equipment slots. People complained about Logis being better at assaulting than the Assault suit, and now you want to flip that and make Assault suits better for front line Logi work than the Logi suit. Figures. cloaking device and REs or hives and uplinks... this will be a hard decision for any scout. oh wait no it's not, scouts don't wanna be logis, we're ninjas shhh I wasn't here! cloaks up "God favors the side with the best artillery"* ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout. CLOSED BETA VET
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo 2180	Posted - 2014.01.17 19:32:00 - [30] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: And here is an example of all of the Combat Logi's who will be respeccing into Assault to retain their combat effectiveness.......and then basically asking for Logi benefits anyways. I have proto min and cal assault on this char with my proto amarr logi so this wouldn't bother me that much but for the sake of role definition no, theres not enough of that as it is I think. Level 2 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.

Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 2021	Posted - 2014.01.17 20:03:00 - [31] - Quote How about no You are an assault. You don't need two equipment. See how the battlefield utility is going? Sentinel: 0 equip Assaults/Commando: 1 equip Scouts: 2 equip Logi: 3 equip Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2708	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:47:00 - [32] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: Skihids wrote: The Scouts are already trying to steal our jobs with two equipment slots. People complained about Logis being better at assaulting than the Assault suit, and now you want to flip that and make Assault suits better for front line Logi work than the Logi suit. Figures. cloaking device and REs or hives and uplinks... this will be a hard decision for any scout. oh wait no it's not, scouts don't wanna be logis, we're ninjas shhh I wasn't here! *cloaks up So no Scout will make a single equipment fitting to deploy uplinks and hives at the start of the match for extra WP income? I predict that eventually we will see 2-3 Scouts deploying equipment sometime during each match. No, Scouts won't make Logis obsolete, but they will horn in on our most lucrative trade. Now if you gave Assaults two slots a squad would have six powerful guns and twelve pieces of equipment. No Logi bonus would be worth breaking that up.
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy 701	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:52:00 - [33] - Quote Skihids wrote: The Scouts are already trying to steal our jobs with two equipment slots. People complained about Logis being better at assaulting than the Assault suit, and now you want to flip that and make Assault suits better for front line Logi work than the Logi suit. Figures. Steal? lolno. WE want simply our job to actually be put in the game. Logi's are stealing Gal Scouts role atm, so like you ***** can talk. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___**^
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 3030	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:53:00 - [34] - Quote Fine, but then give logis back the 1hp/sec armour rep per level. Otherwise no. Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // D-Uni instructor A Balac's and a Thale's.....What's on your commando? Forum warrior 3
GRIM GEAR The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 165	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:53:00 - [35] - Quote Evolution-7 wrote: Discuss! I personally think they should. EDIT: How about just at prototype? AH NO! It's a bird! No it's a plane! Never mind it's just my shotgun in your face!
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5855	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:58:00 - [36] - Quote Evolution-7 wrote: Discuss! I personally think they should. EDIT: How about just at prototype? NOOOOOOO NOOOOOOO NOOOOO NO WAY. Why do assaults need a second equipment slot? Their job is not to use equipment its to kill things with their guns. Let the Logi's run the gear, lets the scouts run the gear. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Rusty Shallows 821	Posted - 2014.01.18 01:12:00 - [37] - Quote *Gets out the tar and feathers. Then realizes the OP was half BSing... puts the lynching kit away* I still have strong memories of Chromosome where the two absolute best game options were. AR514: Caldari Assault with LWS, stacked damage mods, and maxed rifle damage bonuses. HAV514: after a certain SP threshold bricked-blaster-tanks were win-buttons. Anyone who supports either must be cleansed from the gene pool. Metaphorically speaking. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 3600	Posted - 2014.01.18 01:15:00 - [38] - Quote I've played since skirmish 1.0- assaults NEVER had 2 equipment slots. We used to have a time machine
GRIM GEAR The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 166	Posted - 2014.01.18 02:03:00 - [39] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I've played since skirmish 1.0- assaults NEVER had 2 equipment slots. They did in Chromosome. It's a bird! No it's a plane! Never mind it's just my shotgun in your face!
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 434	Posted - 2014.01.18 02:06:00 - [40] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Patrick57 wrote: So a 10% bonus to rate of fire isn't good enough for you? TTK is low enough as it is. o,o To be fair, we're better off with an Ammo bonus or something instead of RoF since not all weapons can have their "RoF" affected. Given bullets being your lively hood ammo bonus would go a long way for an assault. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10124	Posted - 2014.01.18 02:09:00 - [41] - Quote Nah, now scouts are middle of the road with utility, assaults are focused on assaulting, and logis get to logi. Maybe give one assault suit a second equipment slot at the expense of something else, maybe. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Dropship Pilot
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1363	Posted - 2014.01.18 02:09:00 - [42] - Quote Give em an inch and they'll ask for a mile... I swear some of you guys just want logis out of the game sometimes. If any suits should get a second equipment slot, it should be basic light or basic medium frames. Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1363	Posted - 2014.01.18 02:12:00 - [43] - Quote NobIesse Oblige wrote: NO. Logi's and scouts should be the only ones with more than one equip. Assaults should get more ehp than all but heavies, should be faster than all but scouts, and have a sidearm to smack someone when the ammo runs out and there's no time to reload. No making assaults into logi's... IF CCP are idiots and decide to test this out though in the interest of "**** let's just toss this in and try it again" then they need to make it one racial varient and that race should take a hit on other slots and speed compared to other assaults. Similar to the Ammar logi that crosses into the assault but is slower than other logi's and doesn't get quite the same slot count. 0.02 isk I pray for your continuing service as a savior. +1 Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1149	Posted - 2014.01.18 02:14:00 - [44] - Quote Skihids wrote: knight of 6 wrote: Skihids wrote: The Scouts are already trying to steal our jobs with two equipment slots. People complained about Logis being better at assaulting than the Assault suit, and now you want to flip that and make Assault suits better for front line Logi work than the Logi suit. Figures. cloaking device and REs or hives and uplinks... this will be a hard decision for any scout. oh wait no it's not, scouts don't wanna be logis, we're ninjas shhh I wasn't here! cloaks up So no Scout will make a single equipment fitting to deploy uplinks and hives at the start of the match for extra WP income? I predict that eventually we will see 2-3 Scouts deploying equipment sometime during each match. No, Scouts won't make Logis obsolete, but they will horn in on our most lucrative trade. Now if you gave Assaults two slots a squad would have six powerful guns and twelve pieces of equipment. No Logi bonus would be worth breaking that up. I would shed a tear, but I can't, you see the scout has been so bad for so long, that I no longer care if you 2500 WP a game logi gets a little competition. I have no doubt that some scouts might take that option, but can you reasonably argue that placing uplinks isn't a part of a scouts job? "God favors the side with the best artillery"* ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout. CLOSED BETA VET
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4496	Posted - 2014.01.18 02:21:00 - [45] - Quote NobIesse Oblige wrote: NO. Logi's and scouts should be the only ones with more than one equip. Assaults should get more ehp than all but heavies, should be faster than all but scouts, and have a sidearm to smack someone when the ammo runs out and there's no time to reload. No making assaults into logi's... IF CCP are idiots and decide to test this out though in the interest of "**** let's just toss this in and try it again" then they need to make it one racial varient and that race should take a hit on other slots and speed compared to other assaults. Similar to the Ammar logi that crosses into the assault but is slower than other logi's and doesn't get quite the same slot count. 0.02 isk Scouts definitely need an extra one with how they're pretty much built for that Cloaking Field. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2879	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:45:00 - [46] - Quote Evolution-7 wrote: Discuss! I personally think they should. EDIT: How about just at prototype? No.
Scacciamosche The Rainbow Effect 116	Posted - 2014.01.18 11:04:00 - [47] - Quote after the buff to scout, i think assault should have 1 more high or low slot.. or a scout will be always better than an assault suit.. i think that the 2nd equipment doesn't help assault, i'm agree only scout and logi should have more than 1 equipment
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1598	Posted - 2014.01.18 11:40:00 - [48] - Quote No, I personally think assaults shouldn't have any equipment. It encourages lone wolfing (especially in with proposed skill chamges), assaults need to be reliant on other classes, just like logi units WILL be reliant on assault protection, or heavies reliant upon a medic. Now before anyone says, that the scout is getting 2 equipment slots, remeber the scout is also getting the cloak, this will take up an equipment slot, without that second slot, scouts become pointless and misused. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1598	Posted - 2014.01.18 11:42:00 - [49] - Quote Scacciamosche wrote: after the scouts buff, i think assaults should have 1 more high or low slot.. or a scout will be always better than an assault suit.. ? i think that the 2nd equipment doesn't help assaults, i'm agree only scout and logi should have more than 1 Implied facepalm Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 570	Posted - 2014.01.18 11:42:00 - [50] - Quote No. What would be the point of having logistics? It's bad enough that scouts get another equipment... (There should be two variants)



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