DUST Search - Dust 514, Combat Culture Shift.

All Channels

General Discussions

Dust 514, Combat Culture Shift.

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: 1 [2] 3 :: one page

Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 1 post(s)
Oswald Rehnquist 1112	Posted - 2014.01.17 20:30:00 - [31] - Quote Krom Ganesh wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Caldari +Intel Warfare Gallente +Denial of Intel Warfare I thought the Caldari excelled in the use of ECM. Wouldn't that count as denial of intel warfare? Especially when you consider active scanners are gallente Maybe he meant eWar? Below 28 dB
dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2282	Posted - 2014.01.17 20:35:00 - [32] - Quote Vanven wrote: Wow!!! this is amazing Lore info! It builds my pride for the Gallente Federation, as well as having an insight overview for other Factions. I'd encourage if you could post more Lore about Dust and its Factions Iron Wolf Saber PS: YOU'RE THE BEST!!! Read up on the 'Black Eagles' and the ops they do for the Gallante gov't. No good guys in New Eden. Hail Satan
Ripcord19981 Knightz of the Round Legacy Rising 335	Posted - 2014.01.17 20:37:00 - [33] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: Glad to be Minmatar! ill be joining ya after a respec I can only please one person per day. Today is not ur day, tomorrow doesn't look too bright either. Turkey sammich>taco
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 299	Posted - 2014.01.17 20:37:00 - [34] - Quote Now we just need webs, and to give minmatar logi a bonus to their range :D
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1585	Posted - 2014.01.17 20:38:00 - [35] - Quote The Gallery should get either a deployable drone that provides bonuses to scan/stealth/tank/logistics (healing)/ or damage. Every race would get these also but the Gallente would get bonuses to their usage. Or deployable point defense turrets. Either way this would be a fun new addition to the game.
Heinrich Marx Vacuum Cleaner. LLC 0	Posted - 2014.01.17 20:50:00 - [36] - Quote I want Sansha Dust invasion
ResistanceGTA Valor Tactical Operations Immortal Coalition of New-Eden 96	Posted - 2014.01.17 20:56:00 - [37] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Amarr Amarrians faith in their own combat prowess is nearly equal to that of their Religion. They invest in things that relentlessly work when all else fails, which is why they have affinity for the infallible armor. Amarrians also believe in bringing the wrath of their god by burning the heathens with holy light and that their god will reward eternal vigilance. They are slow, relentless, resilient, deadly, and at times nearly unstoppable. Shift into armor defenses (and should on case by case remain unmatched in armor amounts and accommodations for it) and plating should be to no surprise, their laser weaponry has some of the best ammo efficiency out there and it would not surprise me if the amarrians can fit the a gank to match their tanks at the same time. +Most Amor HP lowest mobility +High Damage low ammo consumption Energy Weapons +Defensive Tactics +Relentless Aggression Could you please just fix that little typo. I feel like the Amarr do not, in fact, have the most love. At least I don't get that vibe.
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising 655	Posted - 2014.01.17 21:11:00 - [38] - Quote Caldari low mobility? They are hit and run....they have good mobility. Also ecm when it comes, the caldari excel at making threats non threats.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 294	Posted - 2014.01.17 21:15:00 - [39] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Amarr Amarrians faith in their own combat prowess is nearly equal to that of their Religion. They invest in things that relentlessly work when all else fails, which is why they have affinity for the infallible armor. Amarrians also believe in bringing the wrath of their god by burning the heathens with holy light and that their god will reward eternal vigilance. They are slow, relentless, resilient, deadly, and at times nearly unstoppable. Shift into armor defenses (and should on case by case remain unmatched in armor amounts and accommodations for it) and plating should be to no surprise, their laser weaponry has some of the best ammo efficiency out there and it would not surprise me if the amarrians can fit the a gank to match their tanks at the same time. +Most Amor HP lowest mobility +High Damage low ammo consumption Energy Weapons +Defensive Tactics +Relentless Aggression Could you please just fix that little typo. I feel like the Amarr do not, in fact, have the most love. At least I don't get that vibe. Most Hp armor ? LoL. Once plates are stacked almost all race exept calda can havem ore armor Hp than Amarr because they have less modules. And 30 more base hp don't change anything.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 12275	Posted - 2014.01.17 21:52:00 - [40] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Amarr Amarrians faith in their own combat prowess is nearly equal to that of their Religion. They invest in things that relentlessly work when all else fails, which is why they have affinity for the infallible armor. Amarrians also believe in bringing the wrath of their god by burning the heathens with holy light and that their god will reward eternal vigilance. They are slow, relentless, resilient, deadly, and at times nearly unstoppable. Shift into armor defenses (and should on case by case remain unmatched in armor amounts and accommodations for it) and plating should be to no surprise, their laser weaponry has some of the best ammo efficiency out there and it would not surprise me if the amarrians can fit the a gank to match their tanks at the same time. +Most Amor HP lowest mobility +High Damage low ammo consumption Energy Weapons +Defensive Tactics +Relentless Aggression Could you please just fix that little typo. I feel like the Amarr do not, in fact, have the most love. At least I don't get that vibe. Fixed and a few more things but hit character limit. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked

Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 838	Posted - 2014.01.18 08:41:00 - [41] - Quote Great post and should have glue applied. Must be a common thing that the lore is now being brought in to support arguments or expand understanding of the philosophies of each of the empires. Seems to me that many peoples reasons for having X buffed while Z nerfed don't come from an understanding of the lore of the Eve universe but what benefits them directly. Dust's NPE has been very poor in explaining all this and CCP have been guilty of just 'assuming' Dust players would look it all up. They do assuming a lot do CCP... My main concern that with the new focus and realignment to established New Eden lore, players can't spend earned SP on setting up their mercs on the same lines. I hope that the CPM are pushing for a weapon and suit respec. There must be hundreds of players with maxed out AR skills and wanting all those points back to get the full benefits of a Cadari Commando using Rail Rifles instead, now that the option is finally here. That's just one example I can think off. Does seem that Gallante are going to get the short end until CCP decide how they're going to compensate the Federations ground forces for the lack of drone support that their space born brethren rely on. Mercenary Clone of Dennie Fleetfoot CEO of DUST University
Meee One Clones Of The Damned Zero-Day 157	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:00:00 - [42] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: Krom Ganesh wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Caldari +Intel Warfare Gallente +Denial of Intel Warfare I thought the Caldari excelled in the use of ECM. Wouldn't that count as denial of intel warfare? Especially when you consider active scanners are gallente Yeahhh..this.... It makes 0 sense if they deny intel..... An explanation please? Why? Beads.
Alpha 443-6732 306	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:18:00 - [43] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Great! Now let's apply that Caldari logic to shield missile tanks and rail turrets. Because the missile has crap for range vs. survivability of the tank and the designs of the map. Why is a madrugar a better tank with missiles and rail? Actually, why can a Gal tank fit a missile or rail turret so easily AND a good defense AND damage mods? Even at range a gunnlogi loses to a madrugar due to taking more damage through the hardeners. Intel warfare? Where did that come from? Oh, I guess other races can't do intel on the battefield. Oh, wait a minute! We're mercs and field various races on one team. So, yeah, intel warfare just doesn't apply nor help shields stay up in an FPS game. That doesn't work well for EVE either since it's the players and not the fictitious Caldari people doing the intelling. OMG! Why do my shields suck? Oh yeah, I'm not using enough intel. Gunnlogi missile will beat any madrugar 90% of the time, unless you are being outplayed. Gunnlogi rail > all Because racism is realism
mollerz Minja Scouts 1991	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:21:00 - [44] - Quote +1 for sure! You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4054	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:40:00 - [45] - Quote dent 308 wrote: Vanven wrote: Wow!!! this is amazing Lore info! It builds my pride for the Gallente Federation, as well as having an insight overview for other Factions. I'd encourage if you could post more Lore about Dust and its Factions Iron Wolf Saber PS: YOU'RE THE BEST!!! Read up on the 'Black Eagles' and the ops they do for the Gallante gov't. No good guys in New Eden. Culture is what I look at in New Eden. If you look at each government you're going to have a bad time. According to the Jove this is how they see the empires. From positive to negative: Minmatar Caldari Gallente Amarr (no surprises there) All in all I would have to agree with how the Jove for the overall factions but if I were to put each race culturally in my perspective it would be Positive to negative: Gallente Amarr Minmatar Caldari
George Moros Area 514 291	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:54:00 - [46] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Caldari low mobility? They are hit and run....they have good mobility. Also ecm when it comes, the caldari excel at making threats non threats. From EVE perspective, IWS is 100% right. All Caldari ships have the lowest base speeds within their ship's class. What "saves the day" for Caldari is the fact that they are shield tankers, so they don't need to further gimp their speed with armor plates. Taking into account ship's base stats combined with the fact how they are usually tanked, fitted and flown, speed of EVE's ships would be (slowest to fastest) Amarr-Caldari-Gallente-Minmatar. However, there are more than a few exceptions to this "rule", so this is by no means something that has to be taken as carved in stone. Pulvereus ergo queritor.
Haerr Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 158	Posted - 2014.01.18 11:29:00 - [47] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: An awesome post. Good post, can't wait for the rest of the factions to be added into dust is some fashion.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5875	Posted - 2014.01.18 11:37:00 - [48] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: I always thought the Caldari were highly mobile, o,o but it makes sense with the Rail Rifle that they're not... It's not a run and gun weapon. Anyways, yeah this was extremely helpful. I kinda knew most of this already but people constantly suggested we should have "exceptions" and so a brief thread like this was needed. There are always exceptions and these are just generalizations. The assault rifle variant concept is a good example of this of one race attempting to copy the styles of the others but not being quite as successful. Don't speak about the AR It has the lowest DPS right now despite the fact that it should. But yeah, I mean major exceptions are the issue here. Amarr should have a focus on Armor Tanking with their suits. I can take the Armor Rep bonus for them because it'll help even out things in the end and plus an Amarr assault would probably only use 1 rep anyway. Amarr don't typically have great reps in my experience. Our ships tend to have bonuses to Armour resistances, making our ships more solid in combat than most others. In dust I would love to have the same kinds of bonuses but understand that such bonuses cannot truly have a place in an FPS. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 12299	Posted - 2014.01.18 16:51:00 - [49] - Quote Meee One wrote: Oswald Rehnquist wrote: Krom Ganesh wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Caldari +Intel Warfare Gallente +Denial of Intel Warfare I thought the Caldari excelled in the use of ECM. Wouldn't that count as denial of intel warfare? Especially when you consider active scanners are gallente Yeahhh..this.... It makes 0 sense if they deny intel..... An explanation please? Due to the Caldari long range sensors and weapons and coupled with Gallente tradition of very sort ranged weapons, the Gallente had started to developed sensor dampeners in years past. While not entirely as effective as a sensor jammer, a dampener if deployed right can prevent a Caldari hostile ship form even obtaining a lock to achieve jamming in the first place. Gallente would rather avoid getting shot at in the first place and always have through the use of drones, damps, high damage and high speed. A heavy ewar frigate against a scorpion ewar battleship can sensor damp the crap out of the scorpion denying lock range and speed needed (up to a minute plus to lock the frigate) allowing the rest of the Gallente fleet to move in and go for the kill before the scorpion has a chance to jam. No lock; no guns. Gallente ships are by shape alone stealthier, more resilient against kinetic damage, and lighter weight on the designs despite the reliance on armor. Caldari cannot afford to armor plate all the sensitive electronics and other high tech amenities on their ship's hulls so shielding was the only option for them. In earlier days of the empyrean age the Gallente did develop stealth plates which combines the function of signature reduction and added a lower HP value, but due to concord technology proposition laws that would mean the other empires and capsuleers would have access to it and decided against publishing the modules for fleet use and opting to integrate it into their ships instead. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1103	Posted - 2014.01.18 16:56:00 - [50] - Quote Meee One wrote: Oswald Rehnquist wrote: Krom Ganesh wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Caldari +Intel Warfare Gallente +Denial of Intel Warfare I thought the Caldari excelled in the use of ECM. Wouldn't that count as denial of intel warfare? Especially when you consider active scanners are gallente Yeahhh..this.... It makes 0 sense if they deny intel..... An explanation please? ecm is electronic warfare, yes. but gallente are known for their work in sensors. a suit doesn't have a 'sensor strength' to jam yet, but it does have a passive scanner. remote sensor dampeners in eve shorten locking ranges, or increase locking times. the scanner fits neatly into gallente's wheelhouse. but when jamming is introduced... beware.

Dimitri Rascolovitch The Immortal Knights 114	Posted - 2014.01.18 17:26:00 - [51] - Quote Galthur wrote: PVE confirmed 1.8 if you say something such as this, you are required to link the source/s ...Yeah, i use a heavy machine gun, and I think i do a Damn good job at it. i eat babies forum warrior Lv0
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 404	Posted - 2014.01.18 17:43:00 - [52] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Great! Now let's apply that Caldari logic to shield missile tanks and rail turrets. Because the missile has crap for range vs. survivability of the tank and the designs of the map. Why is a madrugar a better tank with missiles and rail? Actually, why can a Gal tank fit a missile or rail turret so easily AND a good defense AND damage mods? Even at range a gunnlogi loses to a madrugar due to taking more damage through the hardeners. Intel warfare? Where did that come from? Oh, I guess other races can't do intel on the battefield. Oh, wait a minute! We're mercs and field various races on one team. So, yeah, intel warfare just doesn't apply nor help shields stay up in an FPS game. That doesn't work well for EVE either since it's the players and not the fictitious Caldari people doing the intelling. OMG! Why do my shields suck? Oh yeah, I'm not using enough intel. Uhhh... * I don't know what you're doing wrong, but I always have a much easier time fitting up a rail Gunnlogi than a rail Madrugar. * Shield Hardeners are -60%, while Armor is only -40%, so no, shields take less damage through hardeners. * The Caldari get a lot of bonuses for using Jammers, which makes almost any ship a useless brick. No DUST equivalent yet. The rest of your post after "Intel Warfare" just seems to be you desperately trying to make some sort of argument that doesn't have anything to do with anything in the post, but attempting...something...by repeating "intel warfare" a lot. Amarr HAV Speculation
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 52	Posted - 2014.01.18 17:50:00 - [53] - Quote You should also mention - In EVE - Smart pilots crosstrain into everything as every race has amazing stuff you want to own. There is no one winner - a winner in EVE is he who can created the strongest mixture out of all of the races. Long Live CalAmarrGalMatar!!!
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 12309	Posted - 2014.01.18 18:25:00 - [54] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: You should also mention - In EVE - Smart pilots crosstrain into everything as every race has amazing stuff you want to own. There is no one winner - a winner in EVE is he who can created the strongest mixture out of all of the races. Long Live CalAmarrGalMatar!!! most pilots specialize at the start though. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6492	Posted - 2014.01.18 20:17:00 - [55] - Quote Bethhy wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Pretty good overall. I will however add that Gallente actually (generally) have the highest raw DPS (still at short range) while the Minmatar have access to the highest alpha, and have very flexible ranges due to high amounts of falloff. All of these points won't necessarily translate over to DUST exactly, but it's a good primer for anyone that hasn't played EVE Online and is wondering how the races sit there. Why would the technology inventors shift paradigms so drastically for infantry? Because space warfare (like naval warfare) is completely different from ground warfare. Tactics used and circumstances that are apparent are different in space than on the ground. In space for example, you have no cover when encountering an enemy. On the ground, you have plenty of cover. In space, angles and transversals are important. On the ground, these factors don't have much of an impact in comparison. In space, you have warp. On the ground, you have sprinting and vehicles. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6492	Posted - 2014.01.18 20:20:00 - [56] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: You should also mention - In EVE - Smart pilots crosstrain into everything as every race has amazing stuff you want to own. There is no one winner - a winner in EVE is he who can created the strongest mixture out of all of the races. Long Live CalAmarrGalMatar!!! There is a downside. You can be the Jack of all trades but be the master of none and it takes you a very long time to train through all of it. A player who focuses on just one specialty on the other hand may not be the Jack of all trades but he's the master of his specialty and he only needs a small amount of time to invest. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
TuFar Gon Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 66	Posted - 2014.01.18 21:12:00 - [57] - Quote [quote=Aisha Ctarl]Thanks for clearing this up for those who may not be familiar with EVE IWS. Like you said, we all that are familiar with EVE understand why the change were made while others may have been left in the dark. (stares at your nose) dude, what is that? Lmao
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 229	Posted - 2014.01.19 11:22:00 - [58] - Quote Awesome stealth warfare 4 the real gallante nerd as my self Caldari = cowerds hiding behind long range weapons Give me stealth and a shotgun so I can shoot them in the face =ƒÿ£=ƒÿ¥=ƒÿ£=ƒÿ¥=ƒÿ£=ƒÿ¥=ƒÿ£=ƒÿ¥=ƒÿ£=ƒÿ¥ War never changes
Shadow of War88 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 155	Posted - 2014.01.19 11:46:00 - [59] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Pretty good overall. I will however add that Gallente actually (generally) have the highest raw DPS (still at short range) while the Minmatar have access to the highest alpha, and have very flexible ranges due to high amounts of falloff. All of these points won't necessarily translate over to DUST exactly, but it's a good primer for anyone that hasn't played EVE Online and is wondering how the races sit there. this is DUST, dont unbalance my sh*t brah. CCP's track record as it fallows: laser rifle was OP, now its UP Tac ar was OP, now its UP Flaylol was OP, now its UP Massdrivers were OP, now they are UP forge was OP, now its UP Swarms were OP, now they UP Rails guns were UP, now they are OP plasma cannons were UP & still are UP Stop swinging the pendulum and get a balance already so you can begin to focus on what really matters. Dust & EvE link, p2p market, more game modes, better matchmaking, and the whole big picture that makes DUST so unique.
Lonegnr Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 51	Posted - 2014.01.19 12:18:00 - [60] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: ANON Cerberus wrote: You should also mention - In EVE - Smart pilots crosstrain into everything as every race has amazing stuff you want to own. There is no one winner - a winner in EVE is he who can created the strongest mixture out of all of the races. Long Live CalAmarrGalMatar!!! There is a downside. You can be the Jack of all trades but be the master of none and it takes you a very long time to train through all of it. A player who focuses on just one specialty on the other hand may not be the Jack of all trades but he's the master of his specialty and he only needs a small amount of time to invest. You probably didn't catch his Eve context. The jack hardly needs to be a "master" if he's hard-countering the only thing you're good at in order to defeat you. Eve-wise the jack tends to win; the "master" succeeds only by very carefully picking his confrontations.



Pages: 1 [2] 3 :: one page
First page \| Previous page \| Next page \| Last page

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online/DUST514, the EVE/DUST514 logo, EVE/DUST514 and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to OMG Labs to use EVE Online/DUST514 and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, OMG Labs. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.