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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
352
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Posted - 2014.01.17 14:55:00 -
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There should be " NO WAY " that " ANY " weapon and that's any besides a Mass Driver and HMG , should beable to kill someone who has 700 HP's without reloading a single clip , even with damage mods ... this is a testimony to the OPness of the AR's and there high DPS coupled with a high ROF. Killing heavies or any suit beyond a total of 700 without reloading a clip is just brainless and shows a lack of creativity.
Future Caldari Heavy so watch out for this Sumo Shinobi with a Caldari HMG .
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
352
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Posted - 2014.01.17 14:59:00 -
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No one has to agree besides the fact that this is just common since . High TTK , ROF and DPS are some of the issues that are killing the game ... killing the game .
Future Caldari Heavy so watch out for this Sumo Shinobi with a Caldari HMG .
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
414
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Posted - 2014.01.17 15:49:00 -
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Since 1.7 I have pointed out that ALL 4 racial variants of AR are seriously OP....
AR - too many bullets in clip
CR - RoF should be equal to SMG not higher
SR - Needs base damage reduced or the charge multiplier reduced
RR - Is too good in CQC.... needs lower dmg at close range
Minmatar Demolitions Specialist
Plasma Cannon Pro
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Alam Storm
Third Rock From The Sun
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
60
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Posted - 2014.01.17 16:09:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:There should be " NO WAY " that " ANY " weapon and that's any besides a Mass Driver and HMG or FG , should beable to kill someone who has 700 HP's without reloading a single clip , even with damage mods or being maxed out in their branch ... this is a testimony to the OPness of the AR's and there high DPS coupled with a high ROF. Killing heavies or any suit beyond a total of 700 without reloading a clip is just brainless and shows a lack of creativity.
dude if you strafe from side to side or run circles around your enemy he will be wasting a clip its what i do and im pretty accurate with my AR anyway |
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
352
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Posted - 2014.01.17 18:20:00 -
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No one is asking for advice Alam and truely you can give me none. Who doesn't know about moving from side to side or just getting out of the line of fire ... just stop with the insults ... that is not new , nether did you invent that concept either ... point being .. this high TTK , DPS of AR's and hip firing pin point .. can't missedness is killing the game. You seem to be one who loves 1 second gun exchanges but I for one see no strategy in that. Doesn't call for any tactical skills either .. you just have to start shooting before your adversary .. which again is a no-brainer and doesn't call for much in the mental faculties department and makes kills count for less and cheap . If that's the game you want then your speaking out is warranted . If you would like a game that's more of a mental , strategic and tactical challenge that requires actual skills .. then speak on that aspect as well and stop trying to be smug and cynical because right now .. we are not playing a good game and a 7 year old can come in.
Future Caldari Heavy so watch out for this Sumo Shinobi with a Caldari HMG .
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
352
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Posted - 2014.01.17 18:23:00 -
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and get 20 kills in a game with ease. Is that the kind of game that you would like to invest time into and is not produced by Nintendo?
Future Caldari Heavy so watch out for this Sumo Shinobi with a Caldari HMG .
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
352
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Posted - 2014.01.17 18:39:00 -
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I have played as and have killed players with more than 1100 HP's in a second. One second to destroy something that has taken thousands of seconds to acquire and amass. Does that seem reasonable or right? Why work hard putting in hours to acquire items that requires less than a second to decimate but we are suppose to belive that they carry advantages but to me they seem like skillpoint sinks that just give one a few miliseconds more when it takes hours and sometimes days to acquire ... now that is not a sound decision or acquisition ... one would be smarter to acquire the weapons and stay militia . Less of a effort and greater investment.
Future Caldari Heavy so watch out for this Sumo Shinobi with a Caldari HMG .
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Alam Storm
Third Rock From The Sun
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
60
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Posted - 2014.01.17 18:40:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:No one is asking for advice Alam and truely you can give me none. Who doesn't know about moving from side to side or just getting out of the line of fire ... just stop with the insults ... that is not new , nether did you invent that concept either ... point being .. this high TTK , DPS of AR's and hip firing pin point .. can't missedness is killing the game. You seem to be one who loves 1 second gun exchanges but I for one see no strategy in that. Doesn't call for any tactical skills either .. you just have to start shooting before your adversary .. which again is a no-brainer and doesn't call for much in the mental faculties department and makes kills count for less and cheap . If that's the game you want then your speaking out is warranted . If you would like a game that's more of a mental , strategic and tactical challenge that requires actual skills .. then speak on that aspect as well and stop trying to be smug and cynical because right now .. we are not playing a good game and a 7 year old can come in.
1 i was not insulting you
2 i never said i invented the concept of staffing
3 i am all for strategy game i even use my own tactics to out smart people to get the drop on them
4 what you are asking for is for weapons that you dont use to be crap so you can get easy wins
if CCP did do what you are asking for where is takes people with rifles 2 clips to kill people with any gun but the Mass Driver and HMG or FG no one would use thoughs guns this game would turn into a explosive F*ck fest you wont see shot guns AR lasers RR SR CR
and with this in mind why not bring back the flaylock to add to the idea of not using most the guns
think before you post i like how you want to turn it into a more of a strategy game but this wont work it will ruin the game and it will turn more into Call of Duty with grenades and launchers and RPG flying everywhere
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Sascha Brostovich
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.01.17 19:57:00 -
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I've gone up against heavy's sporting 900+ HP with my AR and destroyed them, but I've also gone up against scouts and barely hurt them. Running a proto suit with no armor or shield mods makes the suit vulnerable to the AR. Run complex armor and shield mods and you'll stand up to the AR without a problem. Remember also that most of us who use the AR have complex damage modifiers, and they make a big difference. Too many people have whined and complained about the AR and CCP nerfed it. In the end, it's all about damage mods and armor mods. You think getting shredded by an AR is annoying, wait until you come up against someone running a proto scrambler pistol and complex damage mods. I run a Gallente Proto assault and its got over 800 hp armor on it, and I've been killed by 2 shots from an SP..
My advice is stop spending your isk and sp on proto suits and start investing in damage mods, shield mods, and armor mods. |
Alam Storm
Third Rock From The Sun
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
60
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Posted - 2014.01.17 20:44:00 -
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Sascha Brostovich wrote:I've gone up against heavy's sporting 900+ HP with my AR and destroyed them, but I've also gone up against scouts and barely hurt them. Running a proto suit with no armor or shield mods makes the suit vulnerable to the AR. Run complex armor and shield mods and you'll stand up to the AR without a problem. Remember also that most of us who use the AR have complex damage modifiers, and they make a big difference. Too many people have whined and complained about the AR and CCP nerfed it. In the end, it's all about damage mods and armor mods. You think getting shredded by an AR is annoying, wait until you come up against someone running a proto scrambler pistol and complex damage mods. I run a Gallente Proto assault and its got over 800 hp armor on it, and I've been killed by 2 shots from an SP..
My advice is stop spending your isk and sp on proto suits and start investing in damage mods, shield mods, and armor mods.
the heavys HMG was reduced to terrible uses
scouts dont wear armour they dart across the field thats why its hard to hit them |
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Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
1202
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Posted - 2014.01.17 22:25:00 -
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Wtf happened to the sniper rifle, nova knife, shotgun, and plasma cannon in the op?
"Always fight dirty, the victor writes history"
Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
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Bradric Banewolf
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ
The Umbra Combine
12
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Posted - 2014.01.18 00:38:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:No one is asking for advice Alam and truely you can give me none. Who doesn't know about moving from side to side or just getting out of the line of fire ... just stop with the insults ... that is not new , nether did you invent that concept either ... point being .. this high TTK , DPS of AR's and hip firing pin point .. can't missedness is killing the game. You seem to be one who loves 1 second gun exchanges but I for one see no strategy in that. Doesn't call for any tactical skills either .. you just have to start shooting before your adversary .. which again is a no-brainer and doesn't call for much in the mental faculties department and makes kills count for less and cheap . If that's the game you want then your speaking out is warranted . If you would like a game that's more of a mental , strategic and tactical challenge that requires actual skills .. then speak on that aspect as well and stop trying to be smug and cynical because right now .. we are not playing a good game and a 7 year old can come in.
I do not agree with the insults in the forum or name calling. However Alam is right about the AR, and so are you shinobi. If the AR of any type gets nurfed again it will be useless completely?! I only suggest that someone who is catching it with any one rifle change tactics a bit before throwing the nurf flag on the play. I threw the nurf flag on the combat rifle before understanding the purpose of the rifle. Every weapon, mod, and equipment has it's uses and purposes. If any one player is expecting to get the ultimate weapon and fit for every situation your sadly mistaken. The Assault rifle is a short to mid range weapon for taking and holding points or assaulting points. If you find yourself trying to assault any points with any weapon against a group of fighters with assault rifles your going down. Same with any of the other weapons. I'm not insulting anyones intelligence, just saying were to quick to nerf weapons. If you wanna outshoot and assault rifle straight up with a mass driver it can be done but you gotta be quick or armored heavily. Some players just gonna have your number depending on what you both are wearing or not wearing. Try different weapons to see what works, and remember to fight together. Alot of players try to win one on one exchanges waaaaay to much. The winner of the fight is the soldier whose buddy shows up first!
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
354
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Posted - 2014.01.18 01:59:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:Wtf happened to the sniper rifle, nova knife, shotgun, and plasma cannon in the op?
I can't see sniper rifles being OP and maybe that's because i'm a sniper , nova knifes are different because one has to be right upon you but I can see where your going with that now shotguns would be if they had a range increase . To Alam I apologise for jumping the gun but you know how most are and I have to understand the difference and not be on auto-guard. I apologise. All i'm saying is that defies reasoning with 1 second kills of players with greater amounts of HP's without even reloading a clip. Sometimes killing two or more and the hip fire accuracy is a joke. There are just too many dummy downed mechanisms in this game . I for one don't want to play a game that a child can dominate.
Future Caldari Heavy so watch out for this Sumo Shinobi with a Caldari HMG .
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ALPHA DECRIPTER
Dragon-Empire
664
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Posted - 2014.01.18 06:37:00 -
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Well almost all weapons are being damage nurfed, there pro skills are being altered, and damage mods are (I think) being nurfed. Add the resistance skills to the sentinels and I would think your problem is solved. Then again I'm paper thin and used to death so TTK isn't really a big deal to me.
Scout Tactician
Dance puppets, DANCE!
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VikingKong iBUN
Third Rock From The Sun
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
17
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Posted - 2014.01.18 07:01:00 -
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Use of paragraphs should be a no-brainer. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Tempo
2197
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Posted - 2014.01.18 07:35:00 -
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+1 in the respect that you acknowledge that the game is becoming totally unreasonable to the point of maximum effort for meh, I'm not saying I want rewards and sht like some kind of dog, I'm on about the actual gameplay.
I love the cr and have waited for it since beta, I maxed it before I'd even tested it but it is an absolute beast.
I have trued it with just operation level 1 on my alt and the problem is zero dispersion without any skills other than operation one, I can easily pwn proto suits, iv done itr to loads of decent players as well, it doesn't matter what anyone's using, they die very fast and that's hip firing lol.
The scr I actually think is ok, its just when its on an amarr proto assault that its a beast but that's a lot of sp to get so I think it deserves it.
The RR for me is a tricky one, I personally find it rather clumsy, iv not got much opinion on it, its definitely too good hip firing. I think the assault vatiant is just fine but I rarely use either to really have a backed up opinion on that one.
Just saying what I think, not trying to be a smart a$$ or anything, I make it very clear when I'm purposefully being a smug tw@.  I really love the cr, but it is too good, the others I personally think are not too bad really.
And as ccp stated, it is hard to balance, there is a fine line between river dancing and unloading whole clips at each other or killing in a heart beat.
Level 2 forum warrior.
Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam
I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
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Sole Fenychs
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
61
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Posted - 2014.01.18 11:43:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:Wtf happened to the sniper rifle, nova knife, shotgun, and plasma cannon in the op?
Should a shotgun be able to do that, though?
I'd say it's a better role for the nova knife, due to it being even harder to use than a shotgun.
Also, as a sniper I'm absolutely in favor of heavies tanking even headshots. That's kind of what they are for.
After a headshot I want them to go down in one hit, though.
But yeah, plasma cannon should kill anything. If you manage to hit, you deserve it.
It's kind of weird how the easiest to use AV (Forge Gun) is stronger than the Plasma Cannon (Which is a skillshot weapon) and the Swarm Launcher (Which doesn't have dumbfire and takes up a light weapon slot). |
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
358
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Posted - 2014.01.18 15:08:00 -
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VikingKong iBUN wrote:Use of paragraphs should be a no-brainer.
I have to type from my ps3 due to the fact that my computer is screwed as of lately ... buy me one and you would see paragraphs .. pick something else to comment about that's totally off topic ... i'm sure it would be easy for one with such a small mind . Give something productive or get out and waste other small minded people time ... looks like you would be good at that.
Future Caldari Heavy so watch out for this Sumo Shinobi with a Caldari HMG .
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
358
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Posted - 2014.01.18 15:09:00 -
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Sole Fenychs wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:Wtf happened to the sniper rifle, nova knife, shotgun, and plasma cannon in the op? Should a shotgun be able to do that, though? I'd say it's a better role for the nova knife, due to it being even harder to use than a shotgun. Also, as a sniper I'm absolutely in favor of heavies tanking even headshots. That's kind of what they are for. After a headshot I want them to go down in one hit, though. But yeah, plasma cannon should kill anything. If you manage to hit, you deserve it. It's kind of weird how the easiest to use AV (Forge Gun) is stronger than the Plasma Cannon (Which is a skillshot weapon) and the Swarm Launcher (Which doesn't have dumbfire and takes up a light weapon slot).
My thoughts exactly.
Future Caldari Heavy so watch out for this Sumo Shinobi with a Caldari HMG .
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
358
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Posted - 2014.01.18 15:18:00 -
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My apologies but you kind of asked for that one.
Future Caldari Heavy so watch out for this Sumo Shinobi with a Caldari HMG .
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Munin-Frey
Fish Spotters Inc.
91
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Posted - 2014.01.18 16:59:00 -
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Yes, the TTK in this game is probably the worst thing about it.
I wouldn't care if they left TTK alone but cut about 25% off everyone's range. I'm sick of being cut down in 0.5 seconds by somebody who is a tiny speck 100m away that doesn't even show up on radar. It's complete crap gameplay and CCP should be ashamed.
Closed Beta Veteran
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Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
1209
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Posted - 2014.01.19 16:12:00 -
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Sole Fenychs wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:Wtf happened to the sniper rifle, nova knife, shotgun, and plasma cannon in the op? Should a shotgun be able to do that, though? I'd say it's a better role for the nova knife, due to it being even harder to use than a shotgun. Also, as a sniper I'm absolutely in favor of heavies tanking even headshots. That's kind of what they are for. After a headshot I want them to go down in one hit, though. But yeah, plasma cannon should kill anything. If you manage to hit, you deserve it. It's kind of weird how the easiest to use AV (Forge Gun) is stronger than the Plasma Cannon (Which is a skillshot weapon) and the Swarm Launcher (Which doesn't have dumbfire and takes up a light weapon slot).
I've actually used standard nova knives to better success than a shotgun, because when you're on top of your target hit detection is never a problem. But whenever a shotgun doesn't ohl it's target you're likely to get tore appart by other longer range weapons using hip fire.
"Always fight dirty, the victor writes history"
Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
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bogeyman m
Learning Coalition College
29
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Posted - 2014.01.20 01:36:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Since 1.7 I have pointed out that ALL 4 racial variants of AR are seriously OP....
AR - too many bullets in clip
CR - RoF should be equal to SMG not higher
SR - Needs base damage reduced or the charge multiplier reduced
RR - Is too good in CQC.... needs lower dmg at close range
^THIS^
Additionally, I think the RR should have its effective range shortened by 10m or so to bring it more in line with the other "assault-type" rifles. |
bogeyman m
Learning Coalition College
29
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Posted - 2014.01.20 01:50:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:Wtf happened to the sniper rifle, nova knife, shotgun, and plasma cannon in the op? I can't see sniper rifles being OP and maybe that's because i'm a sniper , nova knifes are different because one has to be right upon you but I can see where your going with that now shotguns would be if they had a range increase . To Alam I apologise for jumping the gun but you know how most are and I have to understand the difference and not be on auto-guard. I apologise. All i'm saying is that defies reasoning with 1 second kills of players with greater amounts of HP's without even reloading a clip. Sometimes killing two or more and the hip fire accuracy is a joke. There are just too many dummy downed mechanisms in this game . I for one don't want to play a game that a child can dominate.
After being OHK'd by snipers 4 times from over 500m over the past two weeks - once during a full sprint while wearing a Minmatar suit fitted with KinCats - I'd argue that (some) Sniper Rifles are very OP. |
bogeyman m
Learning Coalition College
29
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Posted - 2014.01.20 01:56:00 -
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Munin-Frey wrote:Yes, the TTK in this game is probably the worst thing about it.
I wouldn't care if they left TTK alone but cut about 25% off everyone's range. I'm sick of being cut down in 0.5 seconds by somebody who is a tiny speck 100m away that doesn't even show up on radar. It's complete crap gameplay and CCP should be ashamed.
^this^ |
hgghyujh
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
225
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Posted - 2014.01.20 01:57:00 -
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I think its kind of weird to draw the line at 700HP but I will agree that you should have to put every round on a base heavy to kill it and should have to reload if he is using plates or extenders. Also any % increase in HP to the heavy, to achieve this should be applied to all other suits.
I'm not a fan of messing with the weapons really tho, they are in a really good place balance wise I would like to see base HP adjusted because that is much easier to do with out breaking balance(about 2x base hp should do the trick). granted weapons like the MD/NK/PLC/flaylock/SP/SG would need to be buffed a hair, but they are not exactly well balanced now anyways, and people seem to prefer them useless anyways. |
Kigurosaka Laaksonen
DUST University
Ivy League
164
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Posted - 2014.01.20 03:32:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:No one is asking for advice Alam...
You just want to whine and be heard and not use line breaks, is that all?
Your OP is your opinion, and it's a bad one at that. It's certainly not some Holy Law that you can't be killed in a single clip by weapons other than you mentioned.
DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
1087
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Posted - 2014.01.20 07:15:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:There should be " NO WAY " that " ANY " weapon and that's any besides a Mass Driver and HMG or FG , should beable to kill someone who has 700 HP's without reloading a single clip
This isn't a reasonable request. With your proposal, an automatic rifle with 40 rounds in it would do less than 17.5 damage per shot. Sniper rifles would do less than 140 damage per shot. Flaylock pistols would... be mostly unaffected, but still. Also, why is the Mass Driver exempt from your restriction? That doesn't seem fair.
What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage?
The pile of garbage is more lethal.
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tander09
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
37
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Posted - 2014.01.20 23:52:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Since 1.7 I have pointed out that ALL 4 racial variants of AR are seriously OP....
AR - too many bullets in clip
CR - RoF should be equal to SMG not higher
SR - Needs base damage reduced or the charge multiplier reduced
RR - Is too good in CQC.... needs lower dmg at close range
they also have no spread (something they NEED to have), no recoil and no range limit. put all of these balance powers on AR,CR,SR and RR CCP...
AMARRIAN4LYFE!
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