DUST Search - Racial suit bonuses

Roy Ventus wrote:

50LD13R wrote:

Let me start by saying, after reading the first 5 or so pages of several Assault bonus threads I haven't seen the answer to the question I have. If this has already been addressed, I apologize to the community for cluttering up the forums.

I understand the changes are only concepts at this point, but if we take them as fact for the moment... The Sentinel bonuses make sense, a slight reduction to damage from the opposing race's weapon type and their allies. The Logi bonuses make some sense too, bonuses to your race's equipment.

So wouldn't it make more sense for the Assault bonuses to be a modest percentage increase to your race's weapons? Be it a fitting cost reduction, or damage increase, Assault suits are meant to...well, to Assault.

Thoughts, concerns, just want to tell me I'm a noob who needs to "get gud"? I'm genuinely curious what the community has to say about this.

get gud

but no seriously. The Commandos get the weaponry bonuses. It makes sense, imo, because it both gives the Commando an actual advantage other than two light slots and it could help lower TTK because the Commandos are more costly and actually slower than the Assaults(who will have the advantage of versatility on their side).

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50LD13R Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 9	Posted - 2014.01.17 14:05:00 - [1] - Quote Let me start by saying, after reading the first 5 or so pages of several Assault bonus threads I haven't seen the answer to the question I have. If this has already been addressed, I apologize to the community for cluttering up the forums. I understand the changes are only concepts at this point, but if we take them as fact for the moment... The Sentinel bonuses make sense, a slight reduction to damage from the opposing race's weapon type and their allies. The Logi bonuses make some sense too, bonuses to your race's equipment. So wouldn't it make more sense for the Assault bonuses to be a modest percentage increase to your race's weapons? Be it a fitting cost reduction, or damage increase, Assault suits are meant to...well, to Assault. Thoughts, concerns, just want to tell me I'm a noob who needs to "get gud"? I'm genuinely curious what the community has to say about this.
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 906	Posted - 2014.01.17 14:13:00 - [2] - Quote 50LD13R wrote: Let me start by saying, after reading the first 5 or so pages of several Assault bonus threads I haven't seen the answer to the question I have. If this has already been addressed, I apologize to the community for cluttering up the forums. I understand the changes are only concepts at this point, but if we take them as fact for the moment... The Sentinel bonuses make sense, a slight reduction to damage from the opposing race's weapon type and their allies. The Logi bonuses make some sense too, bonuses to your race's equipment. So wouldn't it make more sense for the Assault bonuses to be a modest percentage increase to your race's weapons? Be it a fitting cost reduction, or damage increase, Assault suits are meant to...well, to Assault. Thoughts, concerns, just want to tell me I'm a noob who needs to "get gud"? I'm genuinely curious what the community has to say about this. get gud but no seriously. The Commandos get the weaponry bonuses. It makes sense, imo, because it both gives the Commando an actual advantage other than two light slots and it could help lower TTK because the Commandos are more costly and actually slower than the Assaults(who will have the advantage of versatility on their side). "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
50LD13R Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 9	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:10:00 - [3] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: 50LD13R wrote: Let me start by saying, after reading the first 5 or so pages of several Assault bonus threads I haven't seen the answer to the question I have. If this has already been addressed, I apologize to the community for cluttering up the forums. I understand the changes are only concepts at this point, but if we take them as fact for the moment... The Sentinel bonuses make sense, a slight reduction to damage from the opposing race's weapon type and their allies. The Logi bonuses make some sense too, bonuses to your race's equipment. So wouldn't it make more sense for the Assault bonuses to be a modest percentage increase to your race's weapons? Be it a fitting cost reduction, or damage increase, Assault suits are meant to...well, to Assault. Thoughts, concerns, just want to tell me I'm a noob who needs to "get gud"? I'm genuinely curious what the community has to say about this. get gud but no seriously. The Commandos get the weaponry bonuses. It makes sense, imo, because it both gives the Commando an actual advantage other than two light slots and it could help lower TTK because the Commandos are more costly and actually slower than the Assaults(who will have the advantage of versatility on their side). Definitely a good point, any thoughts on more racially appropriate bonuses for Assaults? The bonuses for some are more defensive in nature while the Min get a bonus to damage mods.
50LD13R Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 9	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:42:00 - [4] - Quote Would more people support a single bonus across the board, e.g. a percentage increase to wepon reload speed for racial weapons. Or do more people want bonuses tailored to a specific race?
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 1233	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:47:00 - [5] - Quote the assault bonus is apparently an increase to RoF of light weapons. if that's not meant for "assaulting" then I don't know what is. on I side note: I thought we were trying to INCREASE TTK. isn't increasing the DPS on the rifles counterproductive? am I missing something here? Anime > EVERYTHING
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2608	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:49:00 - [6] - Quote 50LD13R wrote: Would more people support a single bonus across the board, e.g. a percentage increase to wepon reload speed for racial weapons. Or do more people want bonuses tailored to a specific race? I'd rather see tailored bonuses and maybe bonuses tied to basic frames that extend into the specialized suits based on those frames. // Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1223	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:56:00 - [7] - Quote Any stat that would make them favorable over logis for combat situations would be fine by me. I'm a dedicated equipment logi and any nerf to me that doesn't affect my equipment or light weapon negatively is fine. Where is my Gallente sidearm? SoonGäó514
50LD13R Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 9	Posted - 2014.01.17 16:06:00 - [8] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: the assault bonus is apparently an increase to RoF of light weapons. if that's not meant for "assaulting" then I don't know what is. on I side note: I thought we were trying to INCREASE TTK. isn't increasing the DPS on the rifles counterproductive? am I missing something here? You must have more recent info than me, the last I saw the bonuses for Assault were all over the place. The Minmatar being the only one that would affect damage output. And just now searching for it, all I can find are the Commando, Scout and Sentinel bonuses. Anyone have a link?
Everything Dies Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 428	Posted - 2014.01.17 16:14:00 - [9] - Quote I would have liked to see the assault CLASS receive the armor rep bonus that currently is enjoyed by logis. If you're expected to do the frontline fighting, you shouldn't be entirely dependent upon others to keep you alive; giving them the armor rep bonus would free up a valuable low slot for shield tankers while also helping to buff up the armor tankers in light of the combat/rail rifle being introduced. Racial bonuses could be applied to race-specific weapons...but the AR (Gallente) and Laser Rifle (Amarr) are heavily outmatched by the newer rifles, so tweaks would be necessary to even them out. Life is killing me.
Jack Kittinger Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 81	Posted - 2014.01.17 16:17:00 - [10] - Quote 50LD13R wrote: support a single bonus across the board, e.g. a percentage increase to weapon reload speed for racial weapons... bonuses tailored to a specific race? bonuses that are tied(read as limited) to a race seem like a good idea, for 3.5 or never... take a look at the thread asking if ppl are investing SP on only one race, i'll give you a minute, as you can see even if ALL weapons were already available there will be some gallente loyalist who wants to try the MD or a Minmatar who runs scramblers from time to time. If we are expecting bonuses to bring us one step closer to role specialisation then they shouldn't be racially bound(read confined/truncated).

Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1568	Posted - 2014.01.17 16:27:00 - [11] - Quote Everything Dies wrote: I would have liked to see the assault CLASS receive the armor rep bonus that currently is enjoyed by logis. No, this makes as little sense as the current general Assault bonus or the current Logistics Bonus. You don't want sweeping armor bonuses when half of the suits are supposed to be shield tanked because it is essentially a waste. Besides, judging from how Gallente and Amarr Heavies and Lights are looking, your GalAmarr assault suits will also have built in reps. 1.8 Analysis - Sentinel Damage Efficiency Calcs


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