DUST Search - Amarr scout racial bonus parity problem

Ghost Kaisar wrote:

Zeylon Rho wrote:

Ghost Kaisar wrote:

Okay Aero, I did some theorycrafting at work, and some number crunching at home.

I saw in another thread that you guys wanted a reduction to Movement and Speed penalty to armor plates, but as I thought about it, that was a terrible idea. Every assault ever would take the suit and stack it to 700+ armor with no penalties. Combine with passive dampening, and the suit will be better than the assault.

How about a bonus to ferroscale plates? This gives them a decent abiltiy to armor tank without sacrificing speed.

Ferro's give 83 hp at proto. If they give the amarr 5% bonus per level they can get 101 armor out of a Complex Ferro.

They can then fit the following:

2x Complex Ferro
1x Complex Rep
1x Complex Damp

1x Complex Shield
1x Complex L Damage mod

This gives them 414 Armor and 148 shields for approximately 268 CPU and 59 PG. They also get 6hp/s armor rep and all of this at NO speed penalty. That's 562 eHP. That's a ton for a scout. AND they have a shield buffer and rep to go with it. The most combat scout of the 4.

That leaves them around 30 PG and 157 CPU to fit their weapons and equipment. Sound good?

I am open to feedback.

How many EHP can a Minmatar assault fit at proto? With just passive bonuses (Armor and Shield upgrades), they have 356.25 ehp. Add 3 Complex Shield Extenders (with bonus) and you have 574 ehp. That's more than the scout and the Minny Assault still has 4 slots open (2H, 2L). The Minmatar Assault is faster than the Amarr Scout as well.

Trying to make the scout tanky is a bad idea, its lack of speed advantage means the Minmatar Assault is better in every way.

Well I certainly hope that the Min Assault will be tougher and faster than the Amarr scout. How else will the assault do it's job?

My question is this. Can the Min Assault dodge scanners?

Nope. Not by a longshot.

The profile dampener is probably the biggest difference in your comparison. The min assault will be faster and tougher, but lack the ability to remain hidden.

I'm not sure about you, but when it comes down to scouting, I'll take less eHP and speed for dampening EVERY DAY.

The Amarr scout will be both tough and hard to detect, while retaining it's natural mobility. Those will be the biggest pluses to this suit.

This build gives it a huge advantage over other scouts in the combat area.


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kal berlin Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 1	Posted - 2014.01.22 06:27:00 - [1] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Zeylon Rho wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Okay Aero, I did some theorycrafting at work, and some number crunching at home. I saw in another thread that you guys wanted a reduction to Movement and Speed penalty to armor plates, but as I thought about it, that was a terrible idea. Every assault ever would take the suit and stack it to 700+ armor with no penalties. Combine with passive dampening, and the suit will be better than the assault. How about a bonus to ferroscale plates? This gives them a decent abiltiy to armor tank without sacrificing speed. Ferro's give 83 hp at proto. If they give the amarr 5% bonus per level they can get 101 armor out of a Complex Ferro. They can then fit the following: 2x Complex Ferro 1x Complex Rep 1x Complex Damp 1x Complex Shield 1x Complex L Damage mod This gives them 414 Armor and 148 shields for approximately 268 CPU and 59 PG. They also get 6hp/s armor rep and all of this at NO speed penalty. That's 562 eHP. That's a ton for a scout. AND they have a shield buffer and rep to go with it. The most combat scout of the 4. That leaves them around 30 PG and 157 CPU to fit their weapons and equipment. Sound good? I am open to feedback. How many EHP can a Minmatar assault fit at proto? With just passive bonuses (Armor and Shield upgrades), they have 356.25 ehp. Add 3 Complex Shield Extenders (with bonus) and you have 574 ehp. That's more than the scout and the Minny Assault still has 4 slots open (2H, 2L). The Minmatar Assault is faster than the Amarr Scout as well. Trying to make the scout tanky is a bad idea, its lack of speed advantage means the Minmatar Assault is better in every way. Well I certainly hope that the Min Assault will be tougher and faster than the Amarr scout. How else will the assault do it's job? My question is this. Can the Min Assault dodge scanners? Nope. Not by a longshot. The profile dampener is probably the biggest difference in your comparison. The min assault will be faster and tougher, but lack the ability to remain hidden. I'm not sure about you, but when it comes down to scouting, I'll take less eHP and speed for dampening EVERY DAY. The Amarr scout will be both tough and hard to detect, while retaining it's natural mobility. Those will be the biggest pluses to this suit. This build gives it a huge advantage over other scouts in the combat area. THIS IS NOT TO BE OVERLOOKED! I agree with OP that it should have a much bigger bonus. now with that out of the way, I would like to point out what makes a scout awesome and what makes a scout a risk. scouts are good at 1. stealth 2 POSITION POSITION POSITIONING! 3 running the $%^&* away 4 intel gathering for the squad 5 Elusiive point defense 6 skirmishing and general destroying the organizations of an enemy team usually in small groups or solo what scouts are Not good at. frontline combat straightup defense like a tanking heavy at a point (upcoming situational analysis assumes that a competent scout is coming up on a well tanked asualt suit from behind) as you can see, the scout is amazing at alot of stuff that will give you advantage in the first 1.5 SECONDS (the time it takes the usual merc to realize whats happened and turn around to face you) of combat, from then on if you haven't killed or maimed your pray it is usually time to make use of speed and stealth again and run away. with that amarr scout build an amarr scout merc will most likely have an amazing 2.5 SECONDS of combat almost completely in his favor due to that extra bit of tank. as a solo scout the number one reason I die is not because I have not used and/or positioning to my advantage it's simply becuase I will sometimes not last long enough to finish the fight began. Therefore, as an advanced gallente scout I realize that this amarr scout build would likely increase my K/D ratio massively even with the pathetic race attribute. This is what I have drawn from my experience as an advanced scout. 1. I know how to use my suit's advantages 2. I know that sometimes even with the perfect positioning I will die due to being paper thin 3. It is not that I am messing something up 4. ADDED STAYING POWER IS WHAT ALL SCOUTERS CRAVE DEEP IN THEIR HEARTS at the moment. (witness the outcry against aim assist by scouts that nerf speed tanking and really all other kinds of tanking for scouts) So I say long live the AMARR ASSUALT SCOUT SUIT cuz thats what it's meant to do! ;)