Jason Pearson
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Posted - 2014.01.16 22:48:00 -
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The legend345 wrote:Tank vs tank is garbage, easy-mode, and bad. Why: 1.Damage mod rails destroy anything with no thought or strategy. Pop the damage mods and hit your target a couple times. Renders blasters useless even in close-quarter engagements (the blasters strength). 2. Any armor build will be destroyed in one volley (unless you have lol 3 hardners) by damage mod missiles (confirmed by AlldinKans using his missle build in testing). 3.Av is a nonfactor. Tanking was fun in uprising because you had to have awareness or you never had a chance. Now any noob can cycle hardeners and be god mode. 4. Active modules are gameplay destroyingly good. What do i mean? The hardeners are simply to good as well as damage mods. Their isn't anything strategic about them. They'll make any garbage tanker beast while activated. 5. In general tanks no longer take any skill: wanna pop a armor tank damage mod missiles one volley : wanna destroy any blaster use a rail: wanna two (three with hardener) shot anything damage mod rail. It would be one thing if their was simply advantages but in this build rock paper and scissors are so pronounced that skill (or even having a game plan) is non-existent. Just turn on the active modules and "gamebalance" will overpower enemy skill. 6. The only competition of skill (if you can call it that) is rail fights. This is because you must clutch shots Blaster vs blaster doesnt require any timing or strategy. Now that you have passive reps, generally, in blaster fights both tanks have full health. So its just pop your mods and shoot at the massive target. Previously with active reps you had more to consider in a blaster fight. Example In this instance i had to consider my health being low and that the enemy had got the jump on me. I assumed he was or had popped his reps when he engaged me. I popped around the corner knowing that his reps would be ending. i won because i had got back my health and had more reps to win the rest of the fight.Missile vs armor is what it should be an advantage. BUT The advantage vs armor tanks is too much. BUT Only because of how overpowered active modules are (In this situation stacked damage mods).
1. Damage Mods are OP, but in any situation the Blaster should lose 80% of the time, Rail > Blaster > Infantry > Rail. It's strength is as an Anti Infantry weapon, not an Anti Tank.
2. Run a better fit. A shield tank can be two shotted by most rails, And I've actually come across armor tanks that have survived a volley of missiles and sped away, An Armor tank can use speed to its advantage and dodge the missiles.
3. Dumb. If I have an AVer with me when I'm fighting tanks, do you know how incredibly grateful I am? I guess not so I'll tell you, I'm pretty sure I've asked one or two to marry me. Fact is a Forge will smash a tank, providing it isn't designed specifically for killing Infantry and even then if you're not an idiot and you're using cover you can kill them. Swarms and Plasma Cannons are light AV, it should be easy to solo a tank with them, they're for support and I tell you when I have a support Swarmer, I decimate.
4. That's the ******* point, you activate them, you're good, but you lose them and you're toast. I've been solo'd by swarms using a GUNNLOGI because I've had my hardeners in cooldown, four volleys "Oh, I'm a burning wreck, oh dear."
5. I'm not sure about that, if I plan my route and take caution, using my experience and "skill", I kill a lot of other tanks, those that rush me straight on die quickly. There wasn't much "skill" last build either, you'd rock up, kill the guy with your proto cannon because it's proto, and drive away. Now with hardeners and **** I actually have to slam into them and try and position myself to get the bonus damage.
6. Disagree.
I don't know what you classify as skill, but personally it's using your knowledge and experience to out-do the enemy, take two of the same fits and skills, put them against eachother. The player with the most "skill" is going to win, through manoeuvrability, timing, weapon management and aim.
Look, unless you're running a crazy tank sniping fit, a Madrugar can tank your shots providing he's fitted to deal with AT weaponry. A blaster is for Infantry and should never match up against a Rail or Missile turret when it comes to AV. You go on about Blasters, but htfu, it's a AI weapon, soz.
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Jason Pearson
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Posted - 2014.01.16 22:52:00 -
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Michael Epic wrote:True Adamance wrote:Michael Epic wrote:Tanking has turned Dust 514 into Tanks 514 and therefore reduced our beloved game to a laughing stock and a joke.
I love(d) this game....but the tanks and the n00bs with super powers ruined it. All tanks need are a rebalancing or re-designation of role. All WE need is an option. Infantry only mode or regular mode. Sometimes it would be nice just to go toe to toe in CQC with whoever, whenever without a dropship shooting me with missles or a tank shooting me from like, 20 feet away....or as I deploy. Tanks and Dropships camping CRU's and droplinks is a huge problem I see every single day....I see it because I am often dead before my screen even loads.
Infantry only Ambush would cater to the players who don't want to deal with Vehicles which I think would be fair. If DUST wants to appeal to other gamers, especially players in things like COD (inb4 NOTINDUST! COD has a massive playerbase and if we could get the attention of even 5% of their players, it'd be better for DUST. Consider this, my brothers all play COD and don't play DUST for the simple reason they like the small maps and constant killing COD has to offer) and would just give all players a place to stay away from Tanks and such when you're having a bad day or a squadless one.
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Jason Pearson
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Posted - 2014.01.16 23:45:00 -
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The legend345 wrote: So your telling me you like this tank vs tank in this build? You made no argument you just told me what this build entails and basically to get good. LOL
If you disagree you can disagree. But dont disagree tell me what i know as an arguement.
AV is trash if you would argue otherwise your a terrible fool. I didnt say you cant destroy tanks naturally there are noobs using improper fits.
Fact of the matter is you like the gameplay. I think its trash and have stated why. Please gtfo with the get good and well i can kill people arguments. Im saying WHAT I CAN DO. Everything i mentioned i can do with ease. Jason please be a forum warrior somewhere else. Ive all ready spanked you and put you to bed in pc last build.
"If you disagree you can disagree. But dont disagree tell me what i know as an arguement", I have no idea what you said here, honestly, fix it. AV isn't trash, but it isn't owning things on the map any more which is great, no longer does a single forge lock down 2 tanks, no longer do swarms sit on towers blapping everything that gets called in, forgive me if I'm happy about not being solo'd by AV grenades any more. I can kill people with my proto forge, but I'm not dumb enough to rush a Blaster tank and put myself in the open like the majority of dumb AVers who could do that before 1.7.
I never told you to get good, I told you to get better fits and harden the **** up due to your whinging about an Anti Vehicle tank demolishing an Anti Infantry tank. I like this build, personally I could see this gameplay going a lot further than the previous one, it needs tweaks but I think the wave idea is the way we should go.
Oh you spanked me in 1.6? I quit during that time, 1.5? I wasn't in PC., so perhaps 1.4? So three builds ago, and was that when I ran a Gunnlogi and every ****** and their dog ran a Madrugar? Yes, yes it was, I never saw you pull out a Gunnlogi and fight me, you had to use a Madrugar to kill me. :) Now you can get good lawl
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