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Maciej Szambelan
Made in Poland... E-R-A
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Posted - 2014.01.16 04:03:00 -
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Hi. I have been forced to use kbm because my controller has decided to pack up... It's terrible! People are moaning about how kbm players are better, faster moving etc, it's all bullshit, mouse has lags, delays etc. Why can't you CCP support it somehow? At the moment, players using controllers with AA are in advantage.. |
Seeth Mensch
Hawkborn Brotherhood IMMORTAL REGIME
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Posted - 2014.01.16 04:09:00 -
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I rmember reading somewhere that basically the original kb/m setup was a god mode for winning. Basically, they messed with it some to even it out.
I think the key thing to remember is that this is a console game. It really is different to have a controller vs a mouse, and the precision involved would radically shift. I think they'd be better off eliminating it entirely, really.
I did try out the kb/m myself at one ponit a couple of months ago. even had to buy a corded mouse :) Yeah. It is pretty awful. Good luck, friend!
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McFurious
TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.01.16 09:50:00 -
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Seeth Mensch wrote:I rmember reading somewhere that basically the original kb/m setup was a god mode for winning. Basically, they messed with it some to even it out.
I think the key thing to remember is that this is a console game. It really is different to have a controller vs a mouse, and the precision involved would radically shift. I think they'd be better off eliminating it entirely, really.
I did try out the kb/m myself at one ponit a couple of months ago. even had to buy a corded mouse :) Yeah. It is pretty awful. Good luck, friend!
Chromosome had the best KBM by far. Before that it was shite and after that it is again shite. It was not "god mode" in any sense of the term. The top players were still DS3 players and the majority of the players still used DS3. We simply had a KBM that WORKED.
But they haven't evened things out. They gimped the KBM to the point that it's barely usable for anyone. Now the DS3 players even have aim assist. That's not balanced and it needs to be addressed.
Half Irish. Often angry.
Closed Beta Masshole
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BAD FURRY
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.01.16 13:22:00 -
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Maciej Szambelan wrote:Hi. I have been forced to use kbm because my controller has decided to pack up... It's terrible! People are moaning about how kbm players are better, faster moving etc, it's all bullshit, mouse has lags, delays etc. Why can't you CCP support it somehow? At the moment, players using controllers with AA are in advantage..
this is PS3 not PC get over it !
dam i hate all KBM users
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Maciej Szambelan
Made in Poland... E-R-A
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Posted - 2014.01.16 13:54:00 -
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BAD FURRY wrote:Maciej Szambelan wrote:Hi. I have been forced to use kbm because my controller has decided to pack up... It's terrible! People are moaning about how kbm players are better, faster moving etc, it's all bullshit, mouse has lags, delays etc. Why can't you CCP support it somehow? At the moment, players using controllers with AA are in advantage.. this is PS3 not PC get over it ! dam i hate all KBM users I hate all proto players in pubs, I hate all people using OP weapons (RR, CR).. CCP made the game where people are able to use kbm, get over it! |
Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2014.01.16 15:11:00 -
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McFurious wrote:Chromosome had the best KBM by far. Before that it was shite and after that it is again shite. It was not "god mode" in any sense of the term. The top players were still DS3 players and the majority of the players still used DS3. We simply had a KBM that WORKED.
But they haven't evened things out. They gimped the KBM to the point that it's barely usable for anyone. Now the DS3 players even have aim assist. That's not balanced and it needs to be addressed.
That's because they found a good balance in Chromosome short of raw input. It wasn't perfect by any means, but at least it was functional at the time. I think it had something to do with turn radius being binded to your suit frame, which added a more tactical feel to previous builds before the speed/strafing nerf.
Now m/kb is gimped enough to make DS3 better by comparison and the new AA system with homing bullets took it to the extreme. I don't think it'll ever be fixed unless CCP secretly does so thanks to the crazy mythos tossed around about m/kb being god mode. You never see this argument on PC FPS because both devices are on equal ground with roughly similar customization options. They should do the same for Dust along with digital movement options for DS3 and a significantly higher x/y axis sensitivity. It feels like moving through quicksand and can be disorientating when you play something else.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.01.16 15:15:00 -
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BAD FURRY wrote:Maciej Szambelan wrote:Hi. I have been forced to use kbm because my controller has decided to pack up... It's terrible! People are moaning about how kbm players are better, faster moving etc, it's all bullshit, mouse has lags, delays etc. Why can't you CCP support it somehow? At the moment, players using controllers with AA are in advantage.. this is PS3 not PC get over it ! dam i hate all KBM users
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CLONE117
planetary retaliation organisation ACME Holding Conglomerate
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Posted - 2014.01.16 15:51:00 -
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if they fix all the controller modes.. there needs to be a large name tag over your head that says what controller type u r using. |
Sole Fenychs
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.16 16:55:00 -
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McFurious wrote:But they haven't evened things out. They gimped the KBM to the point that it's barely usable for anyone. Now the DS3 players even have aim assist. That's not balanced and it needs to be addressed. Actually, aim assist is necessary on dual-analog setups. That's simply how it goes. It evens the playing field against mouse controls, which is a good thing. But that's obviously for properly supported kb/m setups, not what we currently have. |
KA24DERT
TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.01.16 18:25:00 -
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Sole Fenychs wrote:McFurious wrote:But they haven't evened things out. They gimped the KBM to the point that it's barely usable for anyone. Now the DS3 players even have aim assist. That's not balanced and it needs to be addressed. Actually, aim assist is necessary on dual-analog setups. That's simply how it goes. It evens the playing field against mouse controls, which is a good thing. But that's obviously for properly supported kb/m setups, not what we currently have.
Aim assist is necessary if you can't aim. There are plenty of top players in this game who TURN OFF aim assist. Even in the absence of aim assist, during the "height" of mouse accuracy in this game, the DS3 users still rocked the leaderboards.
No, leveling the field is not a good thing, it reduces the rewards of those who put time and effort into being good. That's the same type of strategy Mario Kart uses. Everyone goes around attacking curves properly, using strategy and great driving, then the CPU gives the slowest player 1000 powerups to zoom into first place.
That's wrong.
Aim assist is a problem on its own, and it's a bigger problem still if the intent is to close the gap between the skilled and unskilled.
And in the current input ecosystem, where one control scheme is being artificially enhanced, while another is being artificially handicapped... it's just unacceptable.
Seriously, console game developers have been wiping your asses so long you don't even know if you need aim assist or not. |
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Sole Fenychs
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.16 18:32:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:Aim assist is necessary if you can't aim. There are plenty of top players in this game who TURN OFF aim assist. Even in the absence of aim assist, during the "height" of mouse accuracy in this game, the DS3 users still rocked the leaderboards.
No, leveling the field is not a good thing, it reduces the rewards of those who put time and effort into being good. That's the same type of strategy Mario Kart uses. Everyone goes around attacking curves properly, using strategy and great driving, then the CPU gives the slowest player 1000 powerups to zoom into first place.
That's wrong.
Aim assist is a problem on its own, and it's a bigger problem still if the intent is to close the gap between the skilled and unskilled.
And in the current input ecosystem, where one control scheme is being artificially enhanced, while another is being artificially handicapped... it's just unacceptable.
Seriously, console game developers have been wiping your asses so long you don't even know if you need aim assist or not. Levelling input methods is completely unrelated to rubberbanding. Not doing that is like giving players with 3D screens some kind of advantage or allowing people to increase FOV with Aurum.
Personally, I consider the whole idea of dual-analog FPS to be silly. To get the precision of a mouse, you WILL need aim assist. You will simply never approach the same kind of precision and speed otherwise. I prefer console-based shooters that are honest and just give everyone lock-on mechanics or something. Then you can at least balance the game around that instead of dancing around the elephant in the living room. DS3 users being dominant doesn't mean anything. There is more to play the game than just aiming. There might be other advantages to controller play, like better button mapping. Not to mention that it's possible that the most talented players simply prefer to be couch potatoes. Correlation is not causation.
P.S. A system where you need a joystick for dropships, a controller for frontline combat (because of auto-aim), a mouse for precision work (like sniping) and the like would be really fascinating. |
McFurious
TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.01.16 20:00:00 -
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I don't care about the aim assist. If the DS3 players want it, go ahead and have it. I only brought it up because the KBM needs to be able to compete with that kind of accuracy. I definitely don't want aim assist on the mouse though.
Half Irish. Often angry.
Closed Beta Masshole
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Zyrus Amalomyn
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
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Posted - 2014.01.16 21:31:00 -
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BAD FURRY wrote:Maciej Szambelan wrote:Hi. I have been forced to use kbm because my controller has decided to pack up... It's terrible! People are moaning about how kbm players are better, faster moving etc, it's all bullshit, mouse has lags, delays etc. Why can't you CCP support it somehow? At the moment, players using controllers with AA are in advantage.. this is PS3 not PC get over it ! dam i hate all KBM users
PS3 natively supports mice, get over it *******. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2014.01.16 21:57:00 -
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CLONE117 wrote:if they fix all the controller modes.. there needs to be a large name tag over your head that says what controller type u r using. Why? So people that would rather blame the game because they're too proud/stubborn to admit that they might have room for improvement can have a strawman?
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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bolsh lee
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
863
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Posted - 2014.01.16 23:15:00 -
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Another kb/m thread that CCP will pay absolutely no attention to...
Welcome to the elite club of "getting the cold hard shaft", Maciej Szambelan.. o7
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M McManus
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Posted - 2014.01.17 17:03:00 -
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McFurious wrote:Seeth Mensch wrote:I rmember reading somewhere that basically the original kb/m setup was a god mode for winning. Basically, they messed with it some to even it out.
I think the key thing to remember is that this is a console game. It really is different to have a controller vs a mouse, and the precision involved would radically shift. I think they'd be better off eliminating it entirely, really.
I did try out the kb/m myself at one ponit a couple of months ago. even had to buy a corded mouse :) Yeah. It is pretty awful. Good luck, friend! Chromosome had the best KBM by far. Before that it was shite and after that it is again shite. It was not "god mode" in any sense of the term. The top players were still DS3 players and the majority of the players still used DS3. We simply had a KBM that WORKED. But they haven't evened things out. They gimped the KBM to the point that it's barely usable for anyone. Now the DS3 players even have aim assist. That's not balanced and it needs to be addressed.
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