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Posted - 2014.01.15 15:47:00 -
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:I like how our new dropship playerbase thinks redline rails are a problem seeing as how they're the one thing stopping ADS's and tanks from steamrolling every match 24/7 no exceptions.
The redline is a plague.
Good dropship pilots still want rails to be able to fight back, we just don't want them to have an immunity zone where they can sit back solo blaring justin beiber and raking in the kills.
You know, like a noob.
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Posted - 2014.01.15 15:54:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:I like how our new dropship playerbase thinks redline rails are a problem seeing as how they're the one thing stopping ADS's and tanks from steamrolling every match 24/7 no exceptions. Rail tanks, large turrets and forge guns are counters to dropships. What are the counters for redline rails?
Currently the only "reliable" counter is to take your own railgun out into the field, where you are vulnerable to AV and other vehicles, and you will usually only have a very small window of time to kill them before they roll backwards into cover. So, you need to take a glass cannon build out where it's actually vulnerable, as opposed to the glass cannon in the redline that just rolls backwards and laughs.
Redline has to go. There are many ways you can fix teams being curb stomped that are 100x better than the redline, which doesn't actually stop stomps or help the game in any meaningful way.
Any vet can tell you how dreadfully boring redlines games are, on either end of the spectrum.
They have no business existing except to dictate the area of engagement for both teams, like in ambush
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Posted - 2014.01.15 16:02:00 -
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:I like how our new dropship playerbase thinks redline rails are a problem seeing as how they're the one thing stopping ADS's and tanks from steamrolling every match 24/7 no exceptions. The redline is a plague. Good dropship pilots still want rails to be able to fight back, we just don't want them to have an immunity zone where they can sit back solo blaring justin beiber and raking in the kills. You know, like a noob. rails be able to fight back? thatd mean they'd have to be able to aim straight up and rotation speed would have to buffed so tanks could actually fire back on ADSs overhead, so they ADS's would lose their ability to get cheap, no resistance kills. I assure you, no dropship pilot out there wants there easy win button against tanks taken away. Either way, my point still stands, once AV is buffed or hardeners are nerfed or limited to 1 per fit, we can balace railguns and/or redline rails, til then, no, we don't need tank and ADS spam being even worse than it is.
If you're not a horrible tanker who is just god awful at DUST, you already know how to roll quickly forwards and backwards to combat dropships already. All railguns need is slightly more elevation to make this a very deadly tactic for a skilled tanker, which is what we should be rewarding: skilled players, not talentless nobodies who can't leave their redline to save their life.
If dropships were I win buttons, you would see FAR more of them as opposed to redline rail tanks
But, you don't, because they aren't. They actually take skill to operate effectively.
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Posted - 2014.01.15 16:05:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:The only reason why the redline exists is to try and get rid of spawn camps. Unfortunately, not everyone is smart enough to know that it is huge and has other ways to exit other than the main road and that the best sniping places are in the burn zone (except Manus Peak if you spawn in the A side and have that giant tower with ladders in the ground spawn).
Sky spawns and unhackable spawn bunkers littered around the maps would instantly fix this issue better than the redline could ever hope to.
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Posted - 2014.01.15 16:34:00 -
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:Tanks can't roll fowards and backwards anymore to fight back, as dropships can hover far above you not having to worry at all due to missle range buff, if that old tactic still works you're pilot is straight up garbage, ANY HALFWAY-DECENT pilot is going to be 100m above you, laughing as he easily hits every shot on you no matter what.
But ADS's requires skill? HAHAHA thats a good one. I've yet to see a skilled pilot on this game. Sure some have had the SP for the ships, a couple have pulled off the circlcling above nose down vulture kills on forges, but I have YET to see a skilled pilot. As for general non braindead tactics required to never lose an ADS, that easy as hell and common.
If you don't think ADS are spammed, go play ambush.
As I said, give them a little bit more elevation, to make that tactic much more deadly.
But you ignored that, because you think redline tanking is skilled.
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Posted - 2014.01.15 17:19:00 -
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:I like how no one suggests removing the mountains/high spots inside redlines so we'd still have the redlines perks of safe zone yet eliminate redline sniping/rails.
Instead everyone says "REMOVE THE REDLINE DERP"
Oh well remove the redline, so me and nyain will be able to come after you no matter what. Then you can b*tch about CCP removing the redlines after you get stomped.
Actually the intelligent members of the community don't ask to entirely swap around map generation, and instead offer up alternatives to the redline
::gasp::
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Posted - 2014.01.15 17:24:00 -
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Vance Vyth wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:I like how our new dropship playerbase thinks redline rails are a problem seeing as how they're the one thing stopping ADS's and tanks from steamrolling every match 24/7 no exceptions. Rail tanks can still stop ADS's and HAV's from steamrolling while not in the redline. The issue here is there is absolutely no way to counter a redline rail. Everything needs a counter. just get your own red line rail sir?
You typically can't hit a redline tank from the redline. And even if you somehow have a clear shot, it just becomes a game of who doesn't roll backwards quick enough, so if both players have arms and eyes, they just end up living forever, wasting time, and generally ignoring each other.
You don't fix a problem by exacerbating it.
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