DUST Search - Ok CCP, ur aware of the Tank issue. How are u resolving it?

Prius Vecht wrote:

Only the most tanker homer guys and lovers of 'I win' buttons can defend the current state of tank dominance. CCP u guys are apparently looking at the metrics and are aware of the problems. What vehicle issues are you looking to resolve in 1.8?

the vehicle issues as I see them are:

a) Tanks dont cost nearly enough compared to their raw power. A tank should be 3x the cost of a proto suit if its going to be anywhere near as powerful as they are now.

b) They are too fast. Faster than infantry is no problem but right now they're sportscar fast.

c) You can't cripple them. Vehicles with less than half of its total health should be moving at 1/4 of normal speed.

d) The enter/exit animation is a glitch. lets do away with teleporting in and out of vehicles and add actual animations that people cant take advantage of in a gunfight or to abandon a tank about to explode. Especially mr pop-out-in-an-instant Heavy in his LAV.

e) The modules repair way too fast. going from crippled to full health in a split second? No Way. The increase should be gradual.

f) Too many AV weapons are crap. The plasma cannon has a silly firing arc and doesn't do nearly enough damage for a weapon that reloads after every shot. Prox mines dont do enough damage (they should start @ 2000 per) and every vehicle has a mine detector. Shouldnt that be a module? REs should stick to tanks.

g) You can recall them in an instant. No vehicle should be recalled if its damaged and they should have to wait on the RDV just like when theyre dropped off. No teleporting. Recalling cant be an exploit to get your tank out of harm's way when things go badly.

h) AV was tuned badly. Swarms were taken down too much and AV grenades were too. Forges are the direct counter to vehicles and the hits should be devastating to them. Reduce grenade spam by making people equip grenades and then throw them with R1.


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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 466	Posted - 2014.01.16 12:41:00 - [1] - Quote Prius Vecht wrote: Only the most tanker homer guys and lovers of 'I win' buttons can defend the current state of tank dominance. CCP u guys are apparently looking at the metrics and are aware of the problems. What vehicle issues are you looking to resolve in 1.8? the vehicle issues as I see them are: a) Tanks dont cost nearly enough compared to their raw power. A tank should be 3x the cost of a proto suit if its going to be anywhere near as powerful as they are now. b) They are too fast. Faster than infantry is no problem but right now they're sportscar fast. c) You can't cripple them. Vehicles with less than half of its total health should be moving at 1/4 of normal speed. d) The enter/exit animation is a glitch. lets do away with teleporting in and out of vehicles and add actual animations that people cant take advantage of in a gunfight or to abandon a tank about to explode. Especially mr pop-out-in-an-instant Heavy in his LAV. e) The modules repair way too fast. going from crippled to full health in a split second? No Way. The increase should be gradual. f) Too many AV weapons are crap. The plasma cannon has a silly firing arc and doesn't do nearly enough damage for a weapon that reloads after every shot. Prox mines dont do enough damage (they should start @ 2000 per) and every vehicle has a mine detector. Shouldnt that be a module? REs should stick to tanks. g) You can recall them in an instant. No vehicle should be recalled if its damaged and they should have to wait on the RDV just like when theyre dropped off. No teleporting. Recalling cant be an exploit to get your tank out of harm's way when things go badly. h) AV was tuned badly. Swarms were taken down too much and AV grenades were too. Forges are the direct counter to vehicles and the hits should be devastating to them. Reduce grenade spam by making people equip grenades and then throw them with R1. Tanks should cost less than proto suits, that much is obvious. Why? Proto suits are NEVER supposed to be profitable, they're the "I wanna punch someone in the face" suits of the game, and the STD and ADV suits are the ones that should allow earning currency. Currently the tank population makes it so "You wanna pull out that PRO suit? Fine, but you're not gonna make a profit this round!" And frankly it's mostly Proto suit spammers who claim tanks are ruining the fields... STD and ADV users apparently have no issue with tanks cause they can still make profit if they run into one. AV on basic suits, or calling in your own tanks are more than adequate to take out other tanks.. Speed is only an issue if you're one of those idiots who runs after a tank and tries to kill it every engagement. The people who sit back and know how to deter tanks and deny huge areas of terrain to the tanks are a lot smarter than the dirt runners. AV weaponry does need to be looked at, but as long as there is an abundance of ways to pursue AV, the cheaper and easier ways should always be weaker, while the specialized ways, such as Forge guns should be the strongest ranged AV ground units have. The vehicle recall has always been in development and an RDV was always planned to pick the vehicle up, but current pathing disallows reliable pickups as of yet... or something of that matter. AV grenades and Swarms can be used by the same person at the same time. Weaponry that does the aiming for you should obviously have reduced power. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 466	Posted - 2014.01.17 00:54:00 - [2] - Quote poison Diego wrote: the tanks speed has been crippled enough. the base speed is definitely not hard to deal with and the nitrus is useless unless its complex. its not hard to take out tanks, use teamwork and tanks wont stand for long. railguns are broken and everyone knows it, nerf damage by 25% and RoF by 15% and everyone is happy Basic railguns seem okay, ADV and PRO Railguns are just... WTF material, and I am a Rail tank user myself... which says something about the ADV and PRO variants... If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming