DUST Search - What exactly is the point of a missile gunnlogi?

CUSE TOWN333 wrote:

Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:

It'd be nice to either get more range for ranged fights or get more damage and better reload for CQ.

The rail turret is great at CQ with it's burst function. The rail turret is great at long range. The blaster is great at CQ.

I really love missiles and want to use it on the tank they were meant for. But, because of the effectiveness of the rail and blaster the large missile turret just doesn't cut it as medium to CQ. It works better on a madrugar.

I still don't understand why a mddy should be able to easily fit a rail and missile vs the caldari tank.

As it stands I have to dance too much around another tank in CQ and at that point can't do enough damage fast enough vs. the damage a blaster or rail can put out for the amount of time I can keep hardeners up. I can't then roll away without being taken out if I don't take the other tank out in a couple or so volleys.

There is no reason a missile tank should have to worry about a rail at CQ and no reason why I should have to go madrugar just to make a rail and missile more effective in an extended fight.

If the shield tank is supposed to be hit and run then it should dish a buttload more damage with missiles.

you must not have proto missiles yet that thing is a tank killer in PC.

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Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1035	Posted - 2014.01.15 14:58:00 - [1] - Quote It'd be nice to either get more range for ranged fights or get more damage and better reload for CQ. The rail turret is great at CQ with it's burst function. The rail turret is great at long range. The blaster is great at CQ. I really love missiles and want to use it on the tank they were meant for. But, because of the effectiveness of the rail and blaster the large missile turret just doesn't cut it as medium to CQ. It works better on a madrugar. I still don't understand why a mddy should be able to easily fit a rail and missile vs the caldari tank. As it stands I have to dance too much around another tank in CQ and at that point can't do enough damage fast enough vs. the damage a blaster or rail can put out for the amount of time I can keep hardeners up. I can't then roll away without being taken out if I don't take the other tank out in a couple or so volleys. There is no reason a missile tank should have to worry about a rail at CQ and no reason why I should have to go madrugar just to make a rail and missile more effective in an extended fight. If the shield tank is supposed to be hit and run then it should dish a buttload more damage with missiles. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1573	Posted - 2014.01.15 15:05:00 - [2] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: It'd be nice to either get more range for ranged fights or get more damage and better reload for CQ. The rail turret is great at CQ with it's burst function. The rail turret is great at long range. The blaster is great at CQ. I really love missiles and want to use it on the tank they were meant for. But, because of the effectiveness of the rail and blaster the large missile turret just doesn't cut it as medium to CQ. It works better on a madrugar. I still don't understand why a mddy should be able to easily fit a rail and missile vs the caldari tank. As it stands I have to dance too much around another tank in CQ and at that point can't do enough damage fast enough vs. the damage a blaster or rail can put out for the amount of time I can keep hardeners up. I can't then roll away without being taken out if I don't take the other tank out in a couple or so volleys. There is no reason a missile tank should have to worry about a rail at CQ and no reason why I should have to go madrugar just to make a rail and missile more effective in an extended fight. If the shield tank is supposed to be hit and run then it should dish a buttload more damage with missiles. Are you kidding that thing can take out hardened maddys.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1035	Posted - 2014.01.15 15:12:00 - [3] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: It'd be nice to either get more range for ranged fights or get more damage and better reload for CQ. The rail turret is great at CQ with it's burst function. The rail turret is great at long range. The blaster is great at CQ. I really love missiles and want to use it on the tank they were meant for. But, because of the effectiveness of the rail and blaster the large missile turret just doesn't cut it as medium to CQ. It works better on a madrugar. I still don't understand why a mddy should be able to easily fit a rail and missile vs the caldari tank. As it stands I have to dance too much around another tank in CQ and at that point can't do enough damage fast enough vs. the damage a blaster or rail can put out for the amount of time I can keep hardeners up. I can't then roll away without being taken out if I don't take the other tank out in a couple or so volleys. There is no reason a missile tank should have to worry about a rail at CQ and no reason why I should have to go madrugar just to make a rail and missile more effective in an extended fight. If the shield tank is supposed to be hit and run then it should dish a buttload more damage with missiles. Are you kidding that thing can take out hardened maddys. If close enough. When that maddy has a rail on it you have to dance with it up close. If you are in a gunnlogi you don't get to dance as long. Further back you just get railed to death and can't take a maddy out in one volley. A blaster tank can just roll up on you and then you also have to do the two step with hardeners because again, you can't one volley from a distance. If you are in a maddy you have an adequate amount of play time in CQ. And forget going against another gunnlogi if it sees you and pops a hardener. If it has a rail (and they usually do) it's a no go. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Harpyja Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 1087	Posted - 2014.01.15 15:18:00 - [4] - Quote I'm fine with missiles. The only change I'd want is shotgun reload. Perhaps maybe even remove the kick when firing missiles rapidly because, I mean, those missile tubes are open in the back if I remember correctly and their thrust has nothing to push against on the turret. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 148	Posted - 2014.01.15 16:55:00 - [5] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: It'd be nice to either get more range for ranged fights or get more damage and better reload for CQ. The rail turret is great at CQ with it's burst function. The rail turret is great at long range. The blaster is great at CQ. I really love missiles and want to use it on the tank they were meant for. But, because of the effectiveness of the rail and blaster the large missile turret just doesn't cut it as medium to CQ. It works better on a madrugar. I still don't understand why a mddy should be able to easily fit a rail and missile vs the caldari tank. As it stands I have to dance too much around another tank in CQ and at that point can't do enough damage fast enough vs. the damage a blaster or rail can put out for the amount of time I can keep hardeners up. I can't then roll away without being taken out if I don't take the other tank out in a couple or so volleys. There is no reason a missile tank should have to worry about a rail at CQ and no reason why I should have to go madrugar just to make a rail and missile more effective in an extended fight. If the shield tank is supposed to be hit and run then it should dish a buttload more damage with missiles. you must not have proto missiles yet that thing is a tank killer in PC. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1035	Posted - 2014.01.15 17:02:00 - [6] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: It'd be nice to either get more range for ranged fights or get more damage and better reload for CQ. The rail turret is great at CQ with it's burst function. The rail turret is great at long range. The blaster is great at CQ. I really love missiles and want to use it on the tank they were meant for. But, because of the effectiveness of the rail and blaster the large missile turret just doesn't cut it as medium to CQ. It works better on a madrugar. I still don't understand why a mddy should be able to easily fit a rail and missile vs the caldari tank. As it stands I have to dance too much around another tank in CQ and at that point can't do enough damage fast enough vs. the damage a blaster or rail can put out for the amount of time I can keep hardeners up. I can't then roll away without being taken out if I don't take the other tank out in a couple or so volleys. There is no reason a missile tank should have to worry about a rail at CQ and no reason why I should have to go madrugar just to make a rail and missile more effective in an extended fight. If the shield tank is supposed to be hit and run then it should dish a buttload more damage with missiles. you must not have proto missiles yet that thing is a tank killer in PC. I just got to proto missiles. I shot at two tanks from a distance but still didn't take them out in one volley. I can already do damage at point blank or near that with an adv turret. It'd be nice though to do that kind of point blank damage at med range which is what the missile turret is supposed to be for. I can't mount a damage mod if I'm going to have any kind of defence before rolling back to the redline to cooldown. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 610	Posted - 2014.01.15 18:50:00 - [7] - Quote Missile Gunnlogi >>> Any Maddy bar rails. Hardener plus extender can survive even Ion cannons up close and completely wall missiles, 2 hardeners staggered last longer than armor hardeners with low cooldown time Missiles punch through hardeners with ease. Only difficulty is the reload and second shot, but with skills that's minimized. The problem with missiles is their accuracy, reload, and effectiveness against shield tanks. Lower the variation of each missile and add a shotgun style reload as mentioned before. For shield tanks, I'd like an EM missile variant that does 20% more damage to shield and -20% to armor (I made a thread that had much more detail, just search "EM Missile" and find my name). The EM missile would be balanced because it's only practically useful against 1 type of tank, and considering you're spending 50x the SP just to get to missiles, it makes sense that they get a little extra. Dropship Specialist Kills- Incubus: 4; Pythons: 1; Other DS: 28 Gêå1; Tanks: 27 Gêå2 1/1
Adelia Lafayette Science For Death 550	Posted - 2014.01.15 19:02:00 - [8] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Missile Gunnlogi >>> Any Maddy bar rails. Hardener plus extender can survive even Ion cannons up close and completely wall missiles, 2 hardeners staggered last longer than armor hardeners with low cooldown time Missiles punch through hardeners with ease. Only difficulty is the reload and second shot, but with skills that's minimized. The problem with missiles is their accuracy, reload, and effectiveness against shield tanks. Lower the variation of each missile and add a shotgun style reload as mentioned before. For shield tanks, I'd like an EM missile variant that does 20% more damage to shield and -20% to armor (I made a thread that had much more detail, just search "EM Missile" and find my name). The EM missile would be balanced because it's only practically useful against 1 type of tank, and considering you're spending 50x the SP just to get to missiles, it makes sense that they get a little extra. if we are getting EM missles can we get the other two damage types from eve in here for kinetic and thermal missles. Gallente like the thermal damage and caldari's favorite would be kinetic. I could see a caldari tank with bonuses to kinetics missile damage just like caldari ships. Assault dropship gets blown up.... (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ "Kitten this I'm out"... ..."I'm back"
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation ACME Holding Conglomerate 589	Posted - 2014.01.15 19:48:00 - [9] - Quote put it on a sica. add 2 missile dmg mods. and u get an armor obliterating glass cannon. rails seem to function better against shield tanks.. although that barrage of 12 missiles. if it was any longer it could be considered op in terms of tank vs tank balance. remember the rapid fire missile installtion?
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines 2117	Posted - 2014.01.15 22:27:00 - [10] - Quote I only go into cqc with my tanker alts proto large missile turret if I have a confirmed tank target to ambush, otherwise its clearly a medium - long range bombardment turret but I can snipe people easy with it, it just needs a splash radius increase. Its just one of those things you pick if you enjoy a challenge, I'd be bored entirely of dust if everything was as 'efficient' as people seem to want. Ps missiles have targeting systems, rockets do not, wtf missile turret? Lol Level 2 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.

Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1035	Posted - 2014.01.15 23:44:00 - [11] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: I only go into cqc with my tanker alts proto large missile turret if I have a confirmed tank target to ambush, otherwise its clearly a medium - long range bombardment turret but I can snipe people easy with it, it just needs a splash radius increase. Its just one of those things you pick if you enjoy a challenge, I'd be bored entirely of dust if everything was as 'efficient' as people seem to want. Ps missiles have targeting systems, rockets do not, wtf missile turret? Lol That's why I like to play it. It's hard mode. But, eventually it gets tiresome trying to get kills so I end up either camping the redline untilthe match ends or grab a rail maddy like the rest of the scrubs. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Ghermard-ol Dizeriois Maphia Clan Corporation 75	Posted - 2014.01.16 00:21:00 - [12] - Quote The Missile turret seems great for saturation fire against enemy infantry, but the reduced damage against shields can be a problem when fighting a properly fit Gunnlogi... If you are an hacker, a cheater o a glitcher, you deserve death. In real life.


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