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Posted - 2014.01.16 00:27:00 -
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Guilbert 515 wrote:I would suggest having matches for only Basic suits and matches for adv and proto suits. One can decide which match to join. This way newbies can play against each other and veterans are forced to use lower tier suits if they want to fight along and make some isk. This, as a lot of us don't run proto in pub much and training new players is a ***** with all the "I earned it i'll run it" mentality in the game. Some times it's cool to go run starter fits and try new stuff without dealing with all the tryhards.
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Posted - 2014.01.16 00:34:00 -
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Leonid Tybalt wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:I know it's hard to do matchmaking when no one is playing the game but consistently stacking organized squads against randoms is just too cruel. Scotty is a true a fascist. Organize into squads yourself then. That goes for all of you crybabies who ***** about getting dominated by people who play in squads. If you join a public match but refuse to use the squad finder or "lfs" then getting stomped by a squad or two squads of organized players is well deserved. There's a reason why there are so many warpoint bonuses for activities that help other members of your team (healing, repairing, using scanners, dropping uplinks etc.) it's because you're SUPPOSED to play AS A TEAM and not run solo. So stop bitching about getting owned by players who play the way the game is meant to be played because they aren't doing anything wrong, YOU ARE! I would like to see you and your squad run standard to adv gear and run against two squads from AE and Nyain San in their PC fits for a day, then get back to me with that. Think before you speak, the game has issues...
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Posted - 2014.01.16 00:37:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Repe Susi wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:Matchmaking is a genuine pain point for us right now and is something we'd love to get sorted. I don't have any specific updates other than to let you guys know that we're aware of the issues and want to rectify them. Lallallaa. I don't for the life of me understand how could you not make it so that if there's 2 squads queuing for the battle, YOU PUT THEM ON OPPOSITE SIDES. But nooooooo, let's put them on the same side against npc corps This nails the primary pain point. We understand it's hard to pick 32 equivalent players for a match. Just try and balance the good and bad players across the two teams, for heck's sake. Split up the same protostomp squads we see every day Proposterous!!
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Posted - 2014.01.16 00:49:00 -
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Leonid Tybalt wrote:Maximus Stryker wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:PAROX YSM wrote:Quote:Organize into squads yourself then. That goes for all of you crybabies who ***** about getting dominated by people who play in squads.
If you join a public match but refuse to use the squad finder or "lfs" then getting stomped by a squad or two squads of organized players is well deserved.
There's a reason why there are so many warpoint bonuses for activities that help other members of your team (healing, repairing, using scanners, dropping uplinks etc.) it's because you're SUPPOSED to play AS A TEAM and not run solo.
So stop bitching about getting owned by players who play the way the game is meant to be played because they aren't doing anything wrong, YOU ARE!
I agree, the game is meant to be played in squads, working together to accomplish a goal. Win or lose, it's much more enjoyable when playing with competent people. But, don't you think your comments above are a bit harsh. We're talking about new players, unfamiliar with all the workings of the game. They're trying. They want to play. It's hard enough for them to learn the game, while getting crushed every few seconds. And if veteran players are going to treat them with such disdain, where's the incentive to stay and play. New players are the life blood of this game. Without new players, this game dies and the only thing you'll be left to play with is yourself. Instead of treating the new players so poorly, how about taking them under your wing and showing them the ropes. Maybe, just maybe, this will help improve the game play for all of us. Now back to the point of this thread ... imbalances in matchmaking. Sorry but no, just no. There will always be new players if a game gets enough exposure. So theres no reason to babying people. I don't care for players who reacts like they do in this thread when they lose due to their own mistakes and against better players. If you're gonna go "baaaw! This is so hard. Im gonna leave unless you make it easier" then I say: Leave, I sure as hell won't miss you. Way too many mmo's and shooters baby with the players and I hate that. I want dust players who think: "okay, **** this game is hard! How do I get better like the more experienced players?" Im not gonna shed any tears for seeing the crybabies leave. It's not the kind of players I want to play with or against anyway... I agree in that I like the game being difficult and not easymode COD. However, something does need to be done to keep new players around. In EVE, new players are not FORCED to fight against 10 year EVE vets...there are many many different things to do in EVE for all skill & experience levels. In Dust, there are not as many options. The more players Dust has, the better the experience will be for everyone. The thing is that new players in eve pretty much has to stay away from PvP entierly because if you venture to any PvP area there's always a possibility of running into not only more experienced players but also running into experienced players in groups ganging up on you. The only other activtirs you can do in eve without risking that as much is PvE, but let's face it carebear PvE is boring as hell in the long run. And the only way to make it equal to eve would be to bring in PvE elements in dust as well (which seem to be in the plans in regards to the "rogue drone hunting" occuring in the intro video). But I don't want to see any "player level apartheid" in the PvP elements of dust at all. There's gotta be a risk of running into more experienced players in squads. It makes the game more exciting and forces people to get better. If everyone could just "choose" which people they have to go up against then the game will get really lame really fast. And as I said before: there's always gonna be new players. New players come and go to every game. The hardcore atmosphere will appeal to enough people to make the game survive (while alienating others). So there's no reason to worry. Ccp shouldn't focus any efforts at all in trying to keep whiny noobs around. It would be a waste of resources and it would prevent them from adding new content that rewards players who show commitment. You and your outlook are the exact example of what is wrong in this game. You want to run stompsquads go ahead against other stompsquads. Let the new players play against each other and bridge the gap when ready. Remember, without new players a lot of peoples K/D will go down the dumper, don't want that.
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Posted - 2014.01.16 00:54:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Make a militia only mode.
Make militia items no longer register player skills.
This will create an militia game mode that will work for new players for the time and a new mode for veteran players to enjoy with having no special advantage.
The Battle Academy needs a ground up rework. From taking a new player by the hand and teaching them basic lessons like aiming in DUST, to advanced lessons where they teach how scanning works(dB etc..)
Either that or we have to start working on the real EVE connection and make pub's just some meaningless ISK grind that has little focus on. Where as now its all everyone plays and is the source of a majority of the conversations. Best answer so far, well said.
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Posted - 2014.01.16 20:57:00 -
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SILENTSAM 69 wrote:I personally do not mind fighting against proto players with my Standard gear. I could use Proto gear as well, but I choose not to.
If we ever get kill mails I can not wait to see how ISK efficient I am. I love seeing good proto players go down to my Standard Combat Rifle. Neither do I, I love taking out proto's with my Toxin and BPO"S, with core skills maxed out. The new players do not have that luxury. Even starter fits with core skills proper are fun, but players with 1mil sp don't have that option. They are nothing more than K/D padding for these pricks that run proto 24/7-365.
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Posted - 2014.01.18 14:43:00 -
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demonkiller 12 wrote:Dkafamos wrote:I mean, I've played for a few hours only and I already see all the crap that Dust is (and why people aren't staying for long in it). I mean, really, am I supposed to face advanced and prototype players, with millions of isks under their belts, with teams actually facing PCs and expect us to stay? Not counting being blown to bits by every single weapon in hand.
Jeez, is it so hard to actually stop the stomping and actually concentrating on the fun? I will never defeat another player unless my team is stomping them mostly because I, in milita fit, the free one, where I won't spend money, will get raped by literally everything. I mean, are new players expected to be cannon fodder and like it? WTF? I though CCP had a god damn design team, and playing a few hours already brings up this mess.
Fix the god damn matchmaking, either you fight people with your gear level, or equal SP. You want to play against another team? Wait in line for a match with the same ammount of players on another team.
This stomping isn't fun, and it sucked all the magic out of Dust 514 for me. I don't want stomping, I want a decent fight. do you go into an mmo and expect to beat an end game player? no of course not - theyve spent more time playing and have invested a heap into the game Agreed, no argument there, I earned mine as well, doesn't make it right to shite on new players. Remember when we first started playing, we were all pretty much on the same level and progressed evenly. Now a lot of us have 25-35 mil sp. We should have a game mode for us so we can truly test our "skills" against each other instead of PC as that is a lagfest joke right now.
These new players are a full year or more behind us and should be in a different league...
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Posted - 2014.01.18 15:01:00 -
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Matchmaking will work guys with a larger playerbase. Why would new players stay in this game when they get stomped every match? I keep two out of every ten players that join right out of the academy because they don't want to be matched against players running top gear all day every day.
That being said, if the proto players had to go against other proto players 24/7 in a fair matchmaking system and really have some competition, you would see them drop to std and advanced gear lobbies. But until we wake up and realize a lot of it falls on us as a community to not be complete douchebags every fkng match and protostomp and go "look at me I'm on top of the leaderboard again, god I'm so good", when really all you did was beat up on noobs with no defense against gear not "skill".
We should all step back and look at the real problem here, yes CCp can help but with a small playerbase, there's only so much they can do. If you don't have players to matchmake with, matchmaking will never work.
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