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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:20:00 -
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they can use ANY weapon in the game PLUS 2 other ones?
I see posts and hear people talking about how heavies only have 2 weapons when in reality, they have EVERY weapon. and then they want more heavy weapons, which is reasonable I suppose, but those are weapons ONLY heavies will be able to use. I can see why they want them, but they shouldn't be a priority in this game. last time I recall, my scout suit can't carry a HMG, but that heavy can carry a Shotgun, Rail Rifle, or any other weapon that I can carry.
plus did anyone ever think about the fact that if there's a heavy weapon that has similar dps to the HMG but is LONG RANGE, that would be ridiculously OP? already, all 4 of the rifles are considered OP, now imagine a gun with twice the dps and even more range, and is fitted on the highest ehp suit in the game.
also, I won't say that HMGs are OP, but I will say that I find it funny that heavies want to have the most ehp in the game AND the most dps. sounds a bit greedy if you ask me, especially when there are other much more important mechanics that need fixing.
but I digress. maybe it's just me.
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:24:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Not all heavies.
But seriously. This game has been 'released' for how long and their is still only 2 Heavy weapons?!
I don't think it's them being greedy. I think they just want more than 2 things to call their own. and what can I, a scout, call my own?
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:31:00 -
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Amarrgheddon wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Atiim wrote:Not all heavies.
But seriously. This game has been 'released' for how long and their is still only 2 Heavy weapons?!
I don't think it's them being greedy. I think they just want more than 2 things to call their own. and what can I, a scout, call my own? I personally think the scout is op. If you haven't found something that you can call your own, you should grab a medium frame and join the herd. are you kidding me?
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:33:00 -
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iceyburnz wrote:Technically they can't just "use any weapon in the game", they have to invest the SP first.
Considering that heavy suits are the most expensive suits to invest SP in I think it is the SP thats the balancing factor. if heavy costs more sp to invest into, then its only by a small amount. not millions.
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:36:00 -
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Atiim wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:iceyburnz wrote:Technically they can't just "use any weapon in the game", they have to invest the SP first.
Considering that heavy suits are the most expensive suits to invest SP in I think it is the SP thats the balancing factor. if heavy costs more sp to invest into, then its only by a small amount. not millions. About 100k more. That's chump change. exactly. half of 1 week of active sp.
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:42:00 -
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Jacques Cayton II wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:they can use ANY weapon in the game PLUS 2 other ones? I see posts and hear people talking about how heavies only have 2 weapons when in reality, they have EVERY weapon. and then they want more heavy weapons, which is reasonable I suppose, but those are weapons ONLY heavies will be able to use. I can see why they want them, but they shouldn't be a priority in this game. last time I recall, my scout suit can't carry a HMG, but that heavy can carry a Shotgun, Rail Rifle, or any other weapon that I can carry. plus did anyone ever think about the fact that if there's a heavy weapon that has similar dps to the HMG but is LONG RANGE, that would be ridiculously OP? already, all 4 of the rifles are considered OP, now imagine a gun with twice the dps and even more range, and is fitted on the highest ehp suit in the game. also, I won't say that HMGs are OP, but I will say that I find it funny that heavies want to have the most ehp in the game AND the most dps. sounds a bit greedy if you ask me, especially when there are other much more important mechanics that need fixing. but I digress. maybe it's just me. We only have two weapons we only have one suit but we don't get to complain thanks guy I definitely wanted to skill into heavy to use light weapons oh yeah and i definitely wanted to skill into scout, only to be outdone by medium frames in every aspect that a SCOUT is supposed to do. and when i got my buff, it was a 6m increase to passive scan range.
why do you get weapons that ONLY you can use AND weapons that everybody else can use, but we can't use heavy weapons?
as far as i see it you have no right to complain.
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:42:00 -
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Atiim wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: and what can I, a scout, call my own?
Oh I can answer this! The "Pilot" suits. not even...
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Posted - 2014.01.15 12:40:00 -
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Tactical Forecaster wrote:you are forgetting that heavies have the least high and low slots and also do not have an equipment slot we gain 2 heavy weapons at the cost of explosives, nanohives, repair tool, scanners, injectors and any other equipment that i failed to mention also we are the slowest suit in the game, we have the largest hit box , and we are also the easiest to be scanned. this is the trade off for high hp and 2 weapons
any more dumb comments about the heavy slowest suit in the game and largest hitbox should be givens for the suit with THE MOST EHP IN THE GAME, so that's not a sacrifice. that's called fair.
even if you have the highest profile in the game, how many medium frame players do you know of that try to avoid ADV scanners? not many im willing to bet, so that point is null and void.
its also pretty fair that you have the least amount of slots in the game. you have the most ehp and the 2 strongest guns in the game. let's not forget that us SCOUTS have a fraction of your ehp, some of the least cpu in the game and some of the least slots in the game. so that statement is also pointless.
most of your statements on paper would seem reasonable, but if you actually played the game, then you would know that more than half of them are completely useless arguments.
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Posted - 2014.01.15 12:41:00 -
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Amarrgheddon wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Amarrgheddon wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Atiim wrote:Not all heavies.
But seriously. This game has been 'released' for how long and their is still only 2 Heavy weapons?!
I don't think it's them being greedy. I think they just want more than 2 things to call their own. and what can I, a scout, call my own? I personally think the scout is op. If you haven't found something that you can call your own, you should grab a medium frame and join the herd. are you kidding me? if you are having trouble with your scout you are probably trying to assault with it. i never said i was having trouble with my scout. that still doesn't change the fact that it is UP. ive been playing scout for a very long time so i obviously would be able to use it, even if all odds are stacked against me.
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Posted - 2014.01.15 15:55:00 -
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Goric Rumis wrote:Dear OP,
You're aiming at the wrong target. Heavies do not want more heavy weapons at the expense of scouts. That doesn't mean heavies don't want more heavy weapons, or that heavy weapons should not be a priority. Everyone is lobbying for their own play style, but that doesn't mean we don't all want the same thing--a fun game with a lot of specialization. We're all playing a New Eden game because we love dirty cutthroat oneupsmanship--but only in the game. Out here, we're all in this together.
Sincerely,
Goric that's not what I'm getting at. I'm saying that there are other things, such as fixing the lag, that need to remain a priority.
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Posted - 2014.01.15 15:58:00 -
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Disturbingly Bored wrote:You're making a big mistake lashing out at people in the same boat as you, Biscuit. Yes, most dedicated Heavy players complain about the complete lack of new heavy-oriented content since closed beta. Those same Heavy players rally behind Scouts when you guys ask for content. You got it just as bad as us, and we recognize that.
Stop bitching about people who have your back.
(In any caseGǪ it looks like 1.8 might answer all our prayers, skinny and fattie alike.) again, not what im getting at. im not referring to all heavies. im not trying to hastily generalize all heavies.
im trying to say that heavy weapons don't need to be a priority. I know its been a while since they added new ones, but there things like lag and the sprinting bug that need immediate attention.
I get the feeling people are getting the wrong idea about me.
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Posted - 2014.01.15 16:04:00 -
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you know what? just forget that I even said anything, I'm apparently hated by most heavies now...
well no personal attacks were intended, if that means anything at this point.
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Posted - 2014.01.15 16:21:00 -
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Flix Keptick wrote:HiddenBrother wrote:Medium suits should be able to use the HMG, and Forge guns. No or if they did, make them run slower, like heavy speed.
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Posted - 2014.01.15 16:33:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Flix Keptick wrote:HiddenBrother wrote:Medium suits should be able to use the HMG, and Forge guns. No or if they did, make them run slower, like heavy speed. But then heavies would have a good argument to get faster when using light weapons. And we all know how that will end. yeah...
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Posted - 2014.01.15 19:25:00 -
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Jacques Cayton II wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:you know what? just forget that I even said anything, I'm apparently hated by most heavies now... well no personal attacks were intended, if that means anything at this point. Hey you shouldn't mess with a crowd who has been neglected since closed beta you'll just add fuel to the flame. At least scouts have equipment, speed, stealth, and soon to be cloaks. Heavies got what hp and a big gun. Oh did I mention we only have two. you know what? yeah. im all for adding heavy weapons under 2 reasonable conditions.
1.) they aren't terribly OP, but like the HMG, they are allowed to be powerful
2.) the sprinting bug is fixed and the lag is at least watered down.
fair enough?
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Posted - 2014.01.15 19:27:00 -
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Amarrgheddon wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:you know what? just forget that I even said anything, I'm apparently hated by most heavies now... well no personal attacks were intended, if that means anything at this point. please work on my fits, others aren't as important. what? you mean suits?
how about:
Amarrgheddon wrote:please fix the lag issues, as this is most important out of all.
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Posted - 2014.01.15 19:32:00 -
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Disturbingly Bored wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:you know what? just forget that I even said anything, I'm apparently hated by most heavies now... well no personal attacks were intended, if that means anything at this point. Don't hate ya, man. But I do disagree with your basic logic. It isn't that "it's been a while since they added new heavy weapons," it's that they HAVE NEVER added new heavy weapons. In the mean time, they've added: Laser Rifle Gallente Medium Frame Amarr Medium Frame Minmatar Light Frame Scrambler Rifle Flaylock Pistol Plasma Canon Combat Rifle Rail Rifle Active Scanner GǪand Commando: a gimped, slow, medium-frame-wannabe palette swap. CCP very clearly has had the time and the bandwidth to develop a lot of new content. But you're absolutely correct that Heavy content has not ever been a priority. With the exception of the Minmatar light frame, Scout content has not been a priority either. What we're saying is, given everything else that's been introduced to the game, it's about damn time for it to be a priority.And with a bit of luck, 1.8 will be it. i agree. and what ive been getting at is that after 2 years the LAG still isn't fixed. that's all im asking for. then you can add as much heavy stuff as you want.
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Posted - 2014.01.15 19:43:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: i agree. and what ive been getting at is that after 2 years the LAG still isn't fixed. that's all im asking for. then you can add as much heavy stuff as you want.
I don't think you understand how software is developed. The team that works on netcode is not the one working on dropsuits, or weapons, or map design, or audio, or anything else. Stopping work on the other things and putting all those people on the netcode would not mean that it gets done faster. In truth it would stop progress for at least a short while as the new members would have to be brought up to speed, and learn the ins and outs of that particular section of code. It is not as simple as doubling the staff to double productivity. Especially in the short term, which is when you are demanding your changes. you're right, i have no idea how all that works, but i do know that 2 years isn't "short term". no matter how you word it, the lag needs to be fixed ASAP.
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Posted - 2014.01.15 20:45:00 -
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Orin the Freak wrote:Heavies need Gallente and Amarr heavy weapons. I'd say a Gallente weapon would work something like the Gallente blaster AR, but fire bigger projectiles, much slower than the HMG, but dealing similar DPS. Then the Amarr would have a wide-beam laser cannon that would work something like the laser rifle, only higher damage, but a much faster overheat, and sound way cooler. .. Or something.
But honestly, I don't see us getting any new weapons for at least 5 or 6 months, and even that is doubtful. i dunno...i hear 1.8 is gonna be pretty big...
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Posted - 2014.01.16 02:33:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:also, I won't say that HMGs are OP, but I will say that I find it funny that heavies want to have the most ehp in the game AND the most dps. sounds a bit greedy if you ask me, especially when there are other much more important mechanics that need fixing. This right here, has to be the stupidest thing I've EVER heard on this forum. I've been here since way back in closed beta when there was 1 map Skirmish 1.0... and this wins. Not even the best trolls in DUST history could beat this. Heavies "want the highest dps and EHP"????? Ok Isaac Newton, isn't that what classifies a heavy as being, I don't know, a heavy? Having a high eHP is the very ******* definition of a "Heavy" Highest DPS you say? Well when your weapon is only optimal at 0-25m it SHOULD have a high DPS, and it's called a ------>>> HEAVY MACHINE GUN <<<------ not a Spitball Straw (though a few months ago, that's exactly what it was). The more people play this game, is the more ridiculous the arguments get for classes that isn't theirs. slow down, speed racer.
this thread has long been resolved. no need to throw insults just because you disagree with me. as i said in a previous post (if you had actually read a few pages) the lag issues need to be priority, then you can have as much heavy stuff as you want.
see? you got your panties in a bunch for nothing.
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Posted - 2014.01.16 02:39:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:they can use ANY weapon in the game PLUS 2 other ones? I see posts and hear people talking about how heavies only have 2 weapons when in reality, they have EVERY weapon. and then they want more heavy weapons, which is reasonable I suppose, but those are weapons ONLY heavies will be able to use. I can see why they want them, but they shouldn't be a priority in this game. last time I recall, my scout suit can't carry a HMG, but that heavy can carry a Shotgun, Rail Rifle, or any other weapon that I can carry. plus did anyone ever think about the fact that if there's a heavy weapon that has similar dps to the HMG but is LONG RANGE, that would be ridiculously OP? already, all 4 of the rifles are considered OP, now imagine a gun with twice the dps and even more range, and is fitted on the highest ehp suit in the game. also, I won't say that HMGs are OP, but I will say that I find it funny that heavies want to have the most ehp in the game AND the most dps. sounds a bit greedy if you ask me, especially when there are other much more important mechanics that need fixing. but I digress. maybe it's just me. The ONLY real reason to use heavy is For the HEAVY weapons. So in practice, they do have only 2 weapons. any other weapon will be better used by a Med frame. i would have to disagree. Rail Rifles are pretty effective on heavy suits. but i see what you're getting at. if they could ONLY use heavy weapons, then i would be much more sympathetic, but even if it's not heavy weaponry, they can still use everything else.
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Posted - 2014.01.16 02:50:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:they can use ANY weapon in the game PLUS 2 other ones? I see posts and hear people talking about how heavies only have 2 weapons when in reality, they have EVERY weapon. and then they want more heavy weapons, which is reasonable I suppose, but those are weapons ONLY heavies will be able to use. I can see why they want them, but they shouldn't be a priority in this game. last time I recall, my scout suit can't carry a HMG, but that heavy can carry a Shotgun, Rail Rifle, or any other weapon that I can carry. plus did anyone ever think about the fact that if there's a heavy weapon that has similar dps to the HMG but is LONG RANGE, that would be ridiculously OP? already, all 4 of the rifles are considered OP, now imagine a gun with twice the dps and even more range, and is fitted on the highest ehp suit in the game. also, I won't say that HMGs are OP, but I will say that I find it funny that heavies want to have the most ehp in the game AND the most dps. sounds a bit greedy if you ask me, especially when there are other much more important mechanics that need fixing. but I digress. maybe it's just me. The ONLY real reason to use heavy is For the HEAVY weapons. So in practice, they do have only 2 weapons. any other weapon will be better used by a Med frame. i would have to disagree. Rail Rifles are pretty effective on heavy suits. but i see what you're getting at. if they could ONLY use heavy weapons, then i would be much more sympathetic, but even if it's not heavy weaponry, they can still use everything else. They can. But no one except HMG lovers or Forge gun AVers will say:''Oh yeah! im gonna Go Sentinel proto to use this Shotgun/AR/RR,etc...'' Why? Because even if HP is very nice (Not very far from what logis can achieve thou): Lack of mobility,lack of equipment slots and huge Hitbox are not. So anyone thinking in the competitive side of dust will prefer a faster , more adaptable suit. I HONESTLY dont know ANYONE who got into Sentinels to use anything but a Heavy weapon. I might be wrong, but i stand by my opinion. you'd be surprised how many heavies i've seen with proto shotguns.
and even more so with light rifles.
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:03:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: the lag issues need to be priority, then you can have as much heavy stuff as you want.
For some reason you think the dev team in charge of designing and implementing new content, are the same people in charge of fixing the netcode and lag???? Wow... that logic. I find it funny that people been asking for new content for a while now, where were you and this thread? Where was this fail logic months ago when scrambler rifles and new suits came out? Where were you when the new weapons came out last update? All of a sudden there's rumors that heavies might be getting something new, and this turd of a thread pops up. Would you point on the doll and tell me where the Heavy / HMG touched you?
are you done insulting me? because it just makes you look really immature.
what are you getting so upset about? i'm HAPPY for heavies getting new stuff, and again, if you read, someone already said the content development team isn't the same as the netcode team.
calm your ass down. 1.8 is going to be a big patch and everybody is getting something. nobody is hating on heavies, and i have no idea where you got such an idea.
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:09:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:you'd be surprised how many heavies i've seen with proto shotguns. and even more so with light rifles. Its NOT suprising, due to the lack of Heavy weapon options and unsatisfying performance Heavy weapons usually have in DUST514. When the HMG was beast,i never saw a SINGLE Heavy with a light weapon. So its not that players thought:''Yeah, my fit will be a HEAVY with SHOTGUN'' Its that players think:''I cant kill sh!t with Heavy weapons and i dont have many options, better try and equip a light one to be SOMEWHAT competitive.'' CHECKMATE, i know from your other posts that you are on "forced" leave from DUST because your PS3 isn't working, so i'll just fill you in.
HMGs are RIDICULOUSLY good since the hot fix. especially the burst. my god you've never seen scary until you faced that thing head on.
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