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Smooth Assassin
Stardust Incorporation
707
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Posted - 2014.01.14 15:46:00 -
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You're bonuses are useless with no sidearms and a gain of equipment will mean nothing to you, no light long range weapons will make you die faster and possibly be extincted, all i can say is goodbye and if i see you on the enemy team... i won't kill you and i'll nod twice for you're bravery... its going to be nice hunting with you in the meantime. 
Assassination is my thing.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
8049
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Posted - 2014.01.14 15:50:00 -
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Seriously? CCP Remnant said shortly in the same thread that the Minmatar scout would be the exception; it keeps the sidearm, but doesn't gain an equipment. Also base melee damage has been increased.
Stop spreading fear when there is no need to fear.
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
401
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:01:00 -
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There is nothing to fear but the other 3 races scouts....
Out scoring us due to 2 equipment slots
As for base melee... who cares?? the whole point of the Minja is Nova Knives
So other scouts will have an easier time avoiding scanners, and make easier WP with 2 equipment
Chances are they are going to release a scout with better stats, 2 equipment and try convince us
that because of no side-arm that they are balanced....
The Minja will still be the behind enemy lines killer...
They are just going to make it easier for the other 3 races to do our job...
Minmatar Demolitions Specialist
Plasma Cannon Pro
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Fusion Commander
molon labe.
Public Disorder.
55
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:01:00 -
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I guess now I won't be able to finish people off when I have 1 shot left in my shotgun clip,I guess ill just throw an uplink with the second useless equipment slot I'm gonna get |
Fusion Commander
molon labe.
Public Disorder.
55
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:04:00 -
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CCP Remnant why don't you take my grenades off my gallente scout while your at it |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
1979
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:10:00 -
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Fusion Commander wrote:CCP Remnant why don't you take my grenades off my gallente scout while your at it
It's kind of a major hit to the shotgun, nova knife(non Matar) and PLC Scout.
Your pretty much forced to run a cloak and CR now.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Smooth Assassin
Stardust Incorporation
707
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:13:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Seriously? CCP Remnant said shortly in the same thread that the Minmatar scout would be the exception; it keeps the sidearm, but doesn't gain an equipment. Also base melee damage has been increased. Stop spreading fear when there is no need to fear.  DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS THREAD, IT IS MISINFORMATION
Hehe... go ahead and try it out then, with galante scout as the fastest and only one equipment then how is it going to survive?
Assassination is my thing.
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Fusion Commander
molon labe.
Public Disorder.
59
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:14:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Fusion Commander wrote:CCP Remnant why don't you take my grenades off my gallente scout while your at it It's kind of a major hit to the shotgun, nova knife(non Matar) and PLC Scout. Your pretty much forced to run a cloak and CR now.
That's the thing, I don't want to run cloaks I like my scout as it is all in want is some base stats buffed |
Smooth Assassin
Stardust Incorporation
707
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:15:00 -
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I'll fix it anyways.
Assassination is my thing.
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Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1566
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:16:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Fusion Commander wrote:CCP Remnant why don't you take my grenades off my gallente scout while your at it It's kind of a major hit to the shotgun, nova knife(non Matar) and PLC Scout. Your pretty much forced to run a cloak and CR now.
Sniper Scouts on the other hand now finally have to play like snipers though.
Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
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Smooth Assassin
Stardust Incorporation
707
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:17:00 -
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Fusion Commander wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Fusion Commander wrote:CCP Remnant why don't you take my grenades off my gallente scout while your at it It's kind of a major hit to the shotgun, nova knife(non Matar) and PLC Scout. Your pretty much forced to run a cloak and CR now. That's the thing, I don't want to run cloaks I like my scout as it is all in want is some base stats buffed
I respect you're decision although you might wanna try it out.
Assassination is my thing.
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
1979
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:17:00 -
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Fusion Commander wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Fusion Commander wrote:CCP Remnant why don't you take my grenades off my gallente scout while your at it It's kind of a major hit to the shotgun, nova knife(non Matar) and PLC Scout. Your pretty much forced to run a cloak and CR now. That's the thing, I don't want to run cloaks I like my scout as it is all in want is some base stats buffed
Yeah, the cloak sounds fun and all but I've always been about hiding and scanning with my passive skills and mods.
The scanner is great for when your in a squad, but having high scan precision and range means you always know where they are at and they have no idea where you are at.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
8054
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:21:00 -
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Smooth Assassin wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Seriously? CCP Remnant said shortly in the same thread that the Minmatar scout would be the exception; it keeps the sidearm, but doesn't gain an equipment. Also base melee damage has been increased. Stop spreading fear when there is no need to fear. DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS THREAD, IT IS MISINFORMATION Hehe... go ahead and try it out then, with galante scout as the fastest and only one equipment then how is it going to survive?
What are you even talking about?
I never said the Minmatar scout was as good or as viable as the Gallente one, only that the information you were spreading about the Minmatar scout losing its sidearm slot is incorrect. I suggest rereading my post if you did not understand, and CCP Remnant's post.
EDIT: Oh, I see you edited your original post, and removed the misinformed freakout about losing your sidearm slot. Instead of admitting your mistake, you just edit to try to cover it it. I see how it.
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Smooth Assassin
Stardust Incorporation
707
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:24:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Seriously? CCP Remnant said shortly in the same thread that the Minmatar scout would be the exception; it keeps the sidearm, but doesn't gain an equipment. Also base melee damage has been increased. Stop spreading fear when there is no need to fear. DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS THREAD, IT IS MISINFORMATION
Debating?
Assassination is my thing.
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Smooth Assassin
Stardust Incorporation
707
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:26:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Smooth Assassin wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Seriously? CCP Remnant said shortly in the same thread that the Minmatar scout would be the exception; it keeps the sidearm, but doesn't gain an equipment. Also base melee damage has been increased. Stop spreading fear when there is no need to fear. DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS THREAD, IT IS MISINFORMATION Hehe... go ahead and try it out then, with galante scout as the fastest and only one equipment then how is it going to survive? What are you even talking about? I never said the Minmatar scout was as good or as viable as the Gallente one, only that the information you were spreading about the Minmatar scout losing its sidearm slot is incorrect. I suggest rereading my post if you did not understand, and CCP Remnant's post.
I'm also talking about the bonuses, the dampening.
Assassination is my thing.
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
403
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:26:00 -
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I made a post in general discussion, titled Don't Break Scouts!!!!
IMO the solution I posted here is the best way to avoid more broken gameplay
Minmatar Demolitions Specialist
Plasma Cannon Pro
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Knight Soiaire
BurgezzE.T.F
4472
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:28:00 -
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Lol, its still going to suck if it keeps the current equip / weapon layout, enjoy your mock Assault suit.
"your a joke of a scout if you want to get rid of your sidearm for equipment" - Mosselia Delt
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
791
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:33:00 -
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you realise that they are also debating adjusting the scouts native DB levels right? and basically every other stat?
everything your panicing is imaginary.
NOTHING is set in stone, you have a preview of their IDEAS not patch notes. you have no idea what other changes are being debated behind closed dorrs so stop pretending that your hearsay is concrete and that theere arnt other changes on the table. |
Smooth Assassin
Stardust Incorporation
707
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:38:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:you realise that they are also debating adjusting the scouts native DB levels right? and basically every other stat?
everything your panicing is imaginary.
NOTHING is set in stone, you have a preview of their IDEAS not patch notes. you have no idea what other changes are being debated behind closed dorrs so stop pretending that your hearsay is concrete and that theere arnt other changes on the table.
YOLO. So i've heard.
Assassination is my thing.
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Fusion Commander
molon labe.
Public Disorder.
61
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:44:00 -
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Smooth Assassin wrote:Fusion Commander wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Fusion Commander wrote:CCP Remnant why don't you take my grenades off my gallente scout while your at it It's kind of a major hit to the shotgun, nova knife(non Matar) and PLC Scout. Your pretty much forced to run a cloak and CR now. That's the thing, I don't want to run cloaks I like my scout as it is all in want is some base stats buffed I respect you're decision although you might wanna try it out.
The only thing I can predict me using the cloaks for is to sit around corners for a red guy to wonder across |
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
8058
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:52:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:There is nothing to fear but the other 3 races scouts....
Out scoring us due to 2 equipment slots
As for base melee... who cares?? the whole point of the Minja is Nova Knives
So other scouts will have an easier time avoiding scanners, and make easier WP with 2 equipment
Chances are they are going to release a scout with better stats, 2 equipment and try convince us
that because of no side-arm that they are balanced....
The Minja will still be the behind enemy lines killer...
They are just going to make it easier for the other 3 races to do our job...
The base melee increase was needed. Currently a level 5 Minmatar scout's melee is still less than than a medium's, this base melee buff fixes that. Yes the point of the Minmatar scout right now is basically knifing, but the melee damage allows you to still be effective at brawling if you decide to use a different sidearm instead.
It should also be noted that the scouts will have base profile signature lowered from 45 (I think) to around 35 according to Remnant's approximation. I don't see how other scouts would have an easier time avoiding scanners since none of them seem like they're getting dampening bonuses, if you mean the lack of low slots, then the Caldari one will likely have very little low slots (Caldari are all about the high slots) so you won't be alone in that boat.
Personally I find the Minmatar scout a very badly designed because the bonus to knives and melee makes it so niche. It should have something more generally useful, what I would do would be to give it a 5% hacking speed per level, or 10% biotic module efficacy per level (fits with their role in physicality).
I would also create a new specialization for the role of knifing.
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
792
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:56:00 -
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Smooth Assassin wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:you realise that they are also debating adjusting the scouts native DB levels right? and basically every other stat?
everything your panicing is imaginary.
NOTHING is set in stone, you have a preview of their IDEAS not patch notes. you have no idea what other changes are being debated behind closed dorrs so stop pretending that your hearsay is concrete and that theere arnt other changes on the table. YOLO. So i've heard. So are we gonna be undetectable by scanners? or line of sight?
thats the point, you dont know. |
Smooth Assassin
Stardust Incorporation
708
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:14:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Smooth Assassin wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:you realise that they are also debating adjusting the scouts native DB levels right? and basically every other stat?
everything your panicing is imaginary.
NOTHING is set in stone, you have a preview of their IDEAS not patch notes. you have no idea what other changes are being debated behind closed dorrs so stop pretending that your hearsay is concrete and that theere arnt other changes on the table. YOLO. So i've heard. So are we gonna be undetectable by scanners? or line of sight? thats the point
Exactly.
Assassination is my thing.
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Scout Registry
503
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:14:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Seriously? CCP Remnant said shortly in the same thread that the Minmatar scout would be the exception; it keeps the sidearm, but doesn't gain an equipment. Also base melee damage has been increased. Stop spreading fear when there is no need to fear. DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS THREAD, IT IS MISINFORMATION
You are incorrect. There is ample need for concern.
scouts say no to quid pro quo
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Vulpes Dolosus
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
607
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:17:00 -
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Melee is worthless and knives are gimmicky. Give the Minja an actually useful bonus to its role.
Dropship Specialist
Kills- Incubus: 4; Pythons: 1; Other DS: 28 Gêå1; Tanks: 27 Gêå2
1/1
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
404
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:18:00 -
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Scout registry... please add detail on that ample need for concern
I agree with you and I think the playerbase needs to open their eyes rather than
assuming scouts are fussing over nothing
Minmatar Demolitions Specialist
Plasma Cannon Pro
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
8061
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:24:00 -
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Scout Registry wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Seriously? CCP Remnant said shortly in the same thread that the Minmatar scout would be the exception; it keeps the sidearm, but doesn't gain an equipment. Also base melee damage has been increased. Stop spreading fear when there is no need to fear. DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS THREAD, IT IS MISINFORMATION You are incorrect. There is ample need for concern.
I never claimed there was no need for concern, only that what the OP was complaining about before editing his post (removal of the Minmatar scout's sidearm) was false information, which it is. Don't put words in my mouth.
I have issues with the Minmatar scout, which I covered in post 21.
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Scout Registry
517
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Posted - 2014.01.14 22:22:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Scout registry... please add detail on that ample need for concern
I agree with you and I think the playerbase needs to open their eyes rather than
assuming scouts are fussing over nothing
Hey Richard,
Pardon the delayed response; I've added to your thread what I believe to be an appropriate fix:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1720873#post1720873
There's another big thread somewhere out there with lots of specific reasoning as to why Scouts need a buff. In essence, we don't hold up very well when compared to other frames at the competitive level (in terms of viability not durability). I believe that slots make or break a suit; and I believe the Scout suit's been short on slots since Chromosome.
scouts say no to quid pro quo
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noob cavman
Tickle My Null-Sac
419
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Posted - 2014.01.14 22:44:00 -
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Leave my minja and its awesome knife bonus out of this. Feck hacking I like my knives. I skilled into it for the knives which is a awesome bonus if you had the patience to learn how to use the knives.
Hey mlt tank guess what my lav is ready and I GOT TWO TICKETS TO PARADISE!!!
British ninja cowboy
scout, logi, heavy
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
39
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Posted - 2014.01.14 22:46:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134598&find=unread
check it out and see if you like my ideas for minmitar scout niche enhancement...I think my proposed buffs should help them a lot
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
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