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Kato Ymmij
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Posted - 2014.01.13 20:40:00 -
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This will now allow scouts to have better racial/role bonuses without being locked in to using a certain piece of equipment (cloaks can now have a lower fitting cost). CCP seems like they don't want other suits to use cloaks and if they do they are penalized for it b/c of the fitting costs. In reality this will only keep assault/commando suits away from cloaks, but logis will have no problem fitting them b/c of their equipment bonus. I feel like a better role bonus for scouts would be to add a fitting reduction bonus to biotics/profile modules or scouts could keep the profile reduction bonus and add a bonus to hacking. |
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Posted - 2014.01.13 20:54:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Best way is to make cloak have obscene CPU/PG reqs so NOTHING except a logi can fit it without sacrificing everything except a basic module and a std weapon on a proto suit.
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Reduce cloak fitting by 80%/lvl for whatever. I'll do math later but the idea is good. I don't want any gallogis using their equipment reduction to fit my op scanner.
The fitting costs are not the issue, but the fact that as a scout you have to have a cloak equipped to make use of your role bonus. If cloaks become scout equipment only, then scouts can get more useful role bonuses that aren't tied to a single piece of equipment. |
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Posted - 2014.01.13 20:57:00 -
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N1ck Comeau wrote:i think the CPU/PG will be so high on other suits as to gimp them. Scouts get 50% less pg/cpu on cloaks
Proto logis suits will have no issue fitting a cloak and will at most lose one equipment slot to fit it. |
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Posted - 2014.01.13 21:00:00 -
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I can see the new slayer gal/min logi already: proto cloak/scanner/ammo. |
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Posted - 2014.01.13 21:02:00 -
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Skihids wrote:Kato Ymmij wrote:Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Best way is to make cloak have obscene CPU/PG reqs so NOTHING except a logi can fit it without sacrificing everything except a basic module and a std weapon on a proto suit.
Scout skill:
Reduce cloak fitting by 80%/lvl for whatever. I'll do math later but the idea is good. I don't want any gallogis using their equipment reduction to fit my op scanner. The fitting costs are not the issue, but the fact that as a scout you have to have a cloak equipped to make use of your role bonus. If cloaks become scout equipment only, then scouts can get more useful role bonuses that aren't tied to a single piece of equipment. Many suit bonuses are tied to a specific piece of equipment. Look at the Logi for example.
Those are racial bonuses and not role bonuses, but I do feel like those bonuses also need to be re-visited. |
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Posted - 2014.01.13 21:04:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:Kato Ymmij wrote:I can see the new slayer gal/min logi already: proto cloak/scanner/ammo. And what is wrong with a Logi running proto EQ?
The argument is that logis will lose something in order to fit the cloak. |
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Posted - 2014.01.13 21:10:00 -
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I am not look forward to fighting a logi with over 800 hp going invisible and being able to see everyone on the battlefield. |
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Posted - 2014.01.13 21:27:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:Kato Ymmij wrote:Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Best way is to make cloak have obscene CPU/PG reqs so NOTHING except a logi can fit it without sacrificing everything except a basic module and a std weapon on a proto suit.
Scout skill:
Reduce cloak fitting by 80%/lvl for whatever. I'll do math later but the idea is good. I don't want any gallogis using their equipment reduction to fit my op scanner. The fitting costs are not the issue, but the fact that as a scout you have to have a cloak equipped to make use of your role bonus. If cloaks become scout equipment only, then scouts can get more useful role bonuses that aren't tied to a single piece of equipment. Nano-circuitry and Repair Tool Logi exclusive then?
Logis have a blanket bonus to all equipment; assaults/scouts/commandos deal with increased fitting in order to use those pieces of equipment. This is why you usually don't see an assault walking around with a proto repair tool (and if they are they sacrifice their only equip slot/better weapon/mod for it). At most a logi suit will be unable to fit one more piece of equipment if they decide to use a cloak (equipment bonus affects cloak too). That logi will have crazy health, a proto gun/nade, scanner/cloak/ammo (maybe more if they don't use proto equipment). |
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Posted - 2014.01.13 23:26:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Sorry, but there should be no restriction for fitting standard cloaks to any suit beyond CPU/PG usage reduction on scouts. However, a covert ops cloak (very high tier item) should be restricted to prototype scouts or specialty covert ops scouts.
It needs to be scout only so scouts can actually have a meaningful role bonus (and racial for cal/amarr) that isn't tied to one piece of equipment. Scouts are getting one more equipment slot simply because as it stands with the current bonuses all scouts will pretty much be required to use a cloak. Scouts are losing their sidearm slot for the cloak. Good luck running a shotgun/nk/pistol scout. I'm not even going to touch that covert ops cloak idea. |
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