DUST Search - Shield regulators need a buff

Marston VC wrote:

stlcarlos989 wrote:

Marston VC wrote:

stlcarlos989 wrote:

Badly or base shields regen delay time on caldari suits seeds to be slightly reduced.

You really want shield tanking to be more popular don't you?

Personally I think they should add an active shield boosting module that you could use between combat. The regulator scould use a buff too, but I feel like having an active shield boosting module for low slots would give shield tankers a lot more opportunities as well. Think about it, someone has 500 shields, they take fire, and get nocked down to 100 shields, they don't take anymore damage for another 3 seconds and are allowed to activate a shield boost module that reps like 50 hp/s for 10 seconds and has a cool down of 30 seconds.

It would make shield tanking suits the ultimate hit and run suits, which I think would play well with their mobility advantage against armor dropsuits.

If they were to just buff regulator though, I would say 45% complex, 35% enhanced and 20% basic. Cool

It would make shield tanking...... interesting. OH. And I would also have the regulators work on fully depleted shields too. as it stands right now, I believe shield tanked suits don't receive any bonus from regulators if the shields get fully depleted. Which means typically they'll have to wait 10 seconds before the shields begin to regen.

Not more popular just more viable.

Also active hardener dropsuit modules is a bad idea, because why wouldn't you have active dropsuit armor hardeners?

Answer this, who is going to most likely win a 1v1 between 2 players of equal FPS skill, A fully shield tanked suit that just activated a shield hardener vs an armor tanked dropsuit who just activated an armor hardner and has passive damage mods in his high slots, also the armor suit will likely have a minimum of 200 more armor then the shields suit has shields.

I didn't say hardners bud ;) And as far as balance goes the active shield booster would be shields only. Or at least until they find a way to balance shield tanking vs armor suits (IE: your idea with the complex damage modifiers being low slots instead of high slots.)

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stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 937	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:14:00 - [1] - Quote Badly. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 545	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:20:00 - [2] - Quote Indeed. Awhile back, I was going to invest a few 100k SP into shield regulators, but I realized that armour would be the better option in all situations, so I invested in the three armour skills, instead. Best decision I've made with this account.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1484	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:22:00 - [3] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Badly or base shields regen delay time on caldari suits seeds to be slightly reduced. You really want shield tanking to be more popular don't you? Personally I think they should add an active shield boosting module that you could use between combat. The regulator scould use a buff too, but I feel like having an active shield boosting module for low slots would give shield tankers a lot more opportunities as well. Think about it, someone has 500 shields, they take fire, and get nocked down to 100 shields, they don't take anymore damage for another 3 seconds and are allowed to activate a shield boost module that reps like 50 hp/s for 10 seconds and has a cool down of 30 seconds. It would make shield tanking suits the ultimate hit and run suits, which I think would play well with their mobility advantage against armor dropsuits. If they were to just buff regulator though, I would say 45% complex, 35% enhanced and 20% basic. It would make shield tanking...... interesting. OH. And I would also have the regulators work on fully depleted shields too. as it stands right now, I believe shield tanked suits don't receive any bonus from regulators if the shields get fully depleted. Which means typically they'll have to wait 10 seconds before the shields begin to regen. Marston VC, STB Director
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 937	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:25:00 - [4] - Quote Marston VC wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Badly or base shields regen delay time on caldari suits seeds to be slightly reduced. You really want shield tanking to be more popular don't you? Personally I think they should add an active shield boosting module that you could use between combat. The regulator scould use a buff too, but I feel like having an active shield boosting module for low slots would give shield tankers a lot more opportunities as well. Think about it, someone has 500 shields, they take fire, and get nocked down to 100 shields, they don't take anymore damage for another 3 seconds and are allowed to activate a shield boost module that reps like 50 hp/s for 10 seconds and has a cool down of 30 seconds. It would make shield tanking suits the ultimate hit and run suits, which I think would play well with their mobility advantage against armor dropsuits. If they were to just buff regulator though, I would say 45% complex, 35% enhanced and 20% basic. It would make shield tanking...... interesting. OH. And I would also have the regulators work on fully depleted shields too. as it stands right now, I believe shield tanked suits don't receive any bonus from regulators if the shields get fully depleted. Which means typically they'll have to wait 10 seconds before the shields begin to regen. Not more popular just more viable. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado
Shiruba Ryou molon labe. Public Disorder. 91	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:25:00 - [5] - Quote And I want an armor based module for my high slots. Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a fucking fruit salad.
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 263	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:26:00 - [6] - Quote They used to work fine, but the low ttk makes your shields evaporate so rapidly they just arnt worth it over armor in the lows.
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1955	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:37:00 - [7] - Quote Shiruba Ryou wrote: And I want an armor based module for my high slots. It's called the damage mod. Armor tankers get to not worry about putting anything for their tank in the high slot letting them stack extra damage. I agree with OP, shield tanking may need some help. Try to kill it all you want CCP, I still <3 my laser.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1484	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:46:00 - [8] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Marston VC wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Badly or base shields regen delay time on caldari suits seeds to be slightly reduced. You really want shield tanking to be more popular don't you? Personally I think they should add an active shield boosting module that you could use between combat. The regulator scould use a buff too, but I feel like having an active shield boosting module for low slots would give shield tankers a lot more opportunities as well. Think about it, someone has 500 shields, they take fire, and get nocked down to 100 shields, they don't take anymore damage for another 3 seconds and are allowed to activate a shield boost module that reps like 50 hp/s for 10 seconds and has a cool down of 30 seconds. It would make shield tanking suits the ultimate hit and run suits, which I think would play well with their mobility advantage against armor dropsuits. If they were to just buff regulator though, I would say 45% complex, 35% enhanced and 20% basic. It would make shield tanking...... interesting. OH. And I would also have the regulators work on fully depleted shields too. as it stands right now, I believe shield tanked suits don't receive any bonus from regulators if the shields get fully depleted. Which means typically they'll have to wait 10 seconds before the shields begin to regen. Not more popular just more viable. Also active hardener dropsuit modules is a bad idea, because why wouldn't you have active dropsuit armor hardeners? Answer this, who is going to most likely win a 1v1 between 2 players of equal FPS skill, A fully shield tanked suit that just activated a shield hardener vs an armor tanked dropsuit who just activated an armor hardner and has passive damage mods in his high slots, also the armor suit will likely have a minimum of 200 more armor then the shields suit has shields. I didn't say hardners bud ;) And as far as balance goes the active shield booster would be shields only. Or at least until they find a way to balance shield tanking vs armor suits (IE: your idea with the complex damage modifiers being low slots instead of high slots.) Marston VC, STB Director
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 938	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:46:00 - [9] - Quote Talos Alomar wrote: Shiruba Ryou wrote: And I want an armor based module for my high slots. It's called the damage mod. Armor tankers get to not worry about putting anything for their tank in the high slot letting them stack extra damage. I agree with OP, shield tanking may need some help. From what eve players have told me damage mods are a low slot in EVE which makes no sense having them be a low slot in dust. The high HP suits slow should be the ones that do less damage but have tons of tank while the low HP fast suits should do more damage but have a much lower comparative tank. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 939	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:51:00 - [10] - Quote Marston VC wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Marston VC wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Badly or base shields regen delay time on caldari suits seeds to be slightly reduced. You really want shield tanking to be more popular don't you? Personally I think they should add an active shield boosting module that you could use between combat. The regulator scould use a buff too, but I feel like having an active shield boosting module for low slots would give shield tankers a lot more opportunities as well. Think about it, someone has 500 shields, they take fire, and get nocked down to 100 shields, they don't take anymore damage for another 3 seconds and are allowed to activate a shield boost module that reps like 50 hp/s for 10 seconds and has a cool down of 30 seconds. It would make shield tanking suits the ultimate hit and run suits, which I think would play well with their mobility advantage against armor dropsuits. If they were to just buff regulator though, I would say 45% complex, 35% enhanced and 20% basic. It would make shield tanking...... interesting. OH. And I would also have the regulators work on fully depleted shields too. as it stands right now, I believe shield tanked suits don't receive any bonus from regulators if the shields get fully depleted. Which means typically they'll have to wait 10 seconds before the shields begin to regen. Not more popular just more viable. Also active hardener dropsuit modules is a bad idea, because why wouldn't you have active dropsuit armor hardeners? Answer this, who is going to most likely win a 1v1 between 2 players of equal FPS skill, A fully shield tanked suit that just activated a shield hardener vs an armor tanked dropsuit who just activated an armor hardner and has passive damage mods in his high slots, also the armor suit will likely have a minimum of 200 more armor then the shields suit has shields. I didn't say hardners bud ;) And as far as balance goes the active shield booster would be shields only. Or at least until they find a way to balance shield tanking vs armor suits (IE: your idea with the complex damage modifiers being low slots instead of high slots.) Fair enough but good luck activating a shield booster mid gunfight, and with such a low TTK getting 50HP/s means nothing when most weapons on an armor tanked suit with damage mods do 600+ DPS, or when a charge shot from an SCR drops all your shields and 2 single shots finished your armor, or when one STD flux takes out all of your shields and then they instantly drop the rest of your 100-200 armor. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado

Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1616	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:52:00 - [11] - Quote 50% 40% 30% yp. they need it badly. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
jerrmy12 kahoalii The Phoenix Federation 341	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:55:00 - [12] - Quote how about 2 bonuses 45% complex 5% damage resistance or 5% more total shield or 10% more recharge, also lower cpu cost or greatly buff caldari cpu & lower cpu of energisers slightly I use a tablet so beware of typos
GET ATMESON Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 222	Posted - 2014.01.13 04:14:00 - [13] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Badly or the base shields regen delay time on caldari suits seeds to be slightly reduced. I have put on 3 enhanced regulators on my my heavy and played around with it. I drop my recharge time from 7 seconds to 5 and depleted from 10 to 7. I strongly disagree with this. Shield tankers have 4 lows on there caldari logy suit. With 4 enhanced on there suit they could have 4.5 seconds for delay and 6 for depleted. With the assault they could still drop it down to 5 seconds. Keep in mind I only used enhanced for this. Im not sure how I would do with complex. I haven't had anyone to test this. Shields also rep alot more then armor if you dont count to nanohives or repair tool. Personally I waited for the day Armor was > then shields do to armor being UP by alot. Now shields need to be messed with but I dont think messing with the regulators will help. Maybe damage mods or something else armor could use a high slot.? Open Beta Fed 16th 2013. Scout fix + Heavy suits + Heavy guns = soonGäó
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3980	Posted - 2014.01.13 04:15:00 - [14] - Quote matari scout agrees, I live on that thing. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
jerrmy12 kahoalii The Phoenix Federation 341	Posted - 2014.01.13 04:17:00 - [15] - Quote GET ATMESON wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Badly or the base shields regen delay time on caldari suits seeds to be slightly reduced. I have put on 3 enhanced regulators on my my heavy and played around with it. I drop my recharge time from 7 seconds to 5 and depleted from 10 to 7. I strongly disagree with this. Shield tankers have 4 lows on there caldari logy suit. With 4 enhanced on there suit they could have 4.5 seconds for delay and 6 for depleted. With the assault they could still drop it down to 5 seconds. Keep in mind I only used enhanced for this. Im not sure how I would do with complex. I haven't had anyone to test this. Shields also rep alot more then armor if you dont count to nanohives or repair tool. Personally I waited for the day Armor was > Now shields need to be messed with but I dont think messing with the regulators will help 3 regulaters gave you 2 sec less? regulaters need a HUUUUUGE buff also 4 seconds is too long, 2 seconds or 1.5 will make it worth it (complex) I use a tablet so beware of typos
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 941	Posted - 2014.01.13 04:32:00 - [16] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: GET ATMESON wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Badly or the base shields regen delay time on caldari suits seeds to be slightly reduced. I have put on 3 enhanced regulators on my my heavy and played around with it. I drop my recharge time from 7 seconds to 5 and depleted from 10 to 7. I strongly disagree with this. Shield tankers have 4 lows on there caldari logy suit. With 4 enhanced on there suit they could have 4.5 seconds for delay and 6 for depleted. With the assault they could still drop it down to 5 seconds. Keep in mind I only used enhanced for this. Im not sure how I would do with complex. I haven't had anyone to test this. Shields also rep alot more then armor if you dont count to nanohives or repair tool. Personally I waited for the day Armor was > Now shields need to be messed with but I dont think messing with the regulators will help 3 regulaters gave you 2 sec less? regulaters need a HUUUUUGE buff also 4 seconds is too long, 2 seconds or 1.5 will make it worth it (complex) 4 complex regulators on a Caldari logi gets it to 2 seconds and and 6.28 fully depleted and thats with its 25% regulator module bonus STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado
jerrmy12 kahoalii The Phoenix Federation 342	Posted - 2014.01.13 07:37:00 - [17] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: GET ATMESON wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Badly or the base shields regen delay time on caldari suits seeds to be slightly reduced. I have put on 3 enhanced regulators on my my heavy and played around with it. I drop my recharge time from 7 seconds to 5 and depleted from 10 to 7. I strongly disagree with this. Shield tankers have 4 lows on there caldari logy suit. With 4 enhanced on there suit they could have 4.5 seconds for delay and 6 for depleted. With the assault they could still drop it down to 5 seconds. Keep in mind I only used enhanced for this. Im not sure how I would do with complex. I haven't had anyone to test this. Shields also rep alot more then armor if you dont count to nanohives or repair tool. Personally I waited for the day Armor was > Now shields need to be messed with but I dont think messing with the regulators will help 3 regulaters gave you 2 sec less? regulaters need a HUUUUUGE buff also 4 seconds is too long, 2 seconds or 1.5 will make it worth it (complex) 4 complex regulators on a Caldari logi gets it to 2 seconds and and 6.28 fully depleted and thats with its 25% bonus to regulator mods Thats using all 4 slots with 4 complex with the bonus, maybe still too long, idk but that sounds reasonable for 1 or 2 complex regulaters if they get buffed I use a tablet so beware of typos
RedZer0 MK1 The Generals General Tso's Alliance 155	Posted - 2014.01.13 08:15:00 - [18] - Quote Move damage mods to low slots, armor reppers to high. Combine regulators and rechargers (overall faster shield regen). Increase regulators from 10/20/25 to 15/25/35. Keep them in the low slots, done and done.
jerrmy12 kahoalii The Phoenix Federation 345	Posted - 2014.01.13 08:21:00 - [19] - Quote RedZer0 MK1 wrote: Move damage mods to low slots, armor reppers to high. Combine regulators and rechargers (overall faster shield regen). Increase regulators from 10/20/25 to 15/25/35. Keep them in the low slots, done and done. 25/40/55 sounds better or 25/35/45 I use a tablet so beware of typos
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 593	Posted - 2014.01.13 08:22:00 - [20] - Quote Here's what needs to happen with with shields: Insanely buff the passive regen amount, like x2-x3-x4 what it is now, but buff the penalty to stacking shield extenders to include lessening the amount repaired and time delay. What this will do is allow two types of shield tanking: low HP/fast regen (rush in hard, get out quick) and high HP/low regen (stand and fight, though not as effective as armor). We also need remote shield transporters (repair tools for shield) and hives that boost/repair shields as well. Dropship Specialist Kills- Incubus: 4; Pythons: 1; Other DS: 28 Gêå1; Tanks: 27 Gêå2 1/1

jerrmy12 kahoalii The Phoenix Federation 362	Posted - 2014.01.13 08:26:00 - [21] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Here's what needs to happen with with shields: Insanely buff the passive regen amount, like x2-x3-x4 what it is now, but buff the penalty to stacking shield extenders to include lessening the amount repaired and time delay. What this will do is allow two types of shield tanking: low HP/fast regen (rush in hard, get out quick) and high HP/low regen (stand and fight, though not as effective as armor). We also need remote shield transporters (repair tools for shield) and hives that boost/repair shields as well. low hp as in get shot once gtfo get shot twice dead good hp wait 2 bonuses for recharge just to get 1% shield in 1 second I use a tablet so beware of typos
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 943	Posted - 2014.01.13 13:42:00 - [22] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: 4 complex regulators on a Caldari logi gets it to 2 seconds and and 6.28 fully depleted and thats with its 25% bonus to regulator mods Thats using all 4 slots with 4 complex with the bonus, maybe still too long, idk but that sounds reasonable for 1 or 2 complex regulaters if they get buffed Thats my point, shields used to be better then armor then armor got an HP buff and a movement penalty reduction and shields got an increase recharge delay. Now with TTK so low shields are terrible compared to an armor suit with damage mods. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 944	Posted - 2014.01.13 17:24:00 - [23] - Quote RedZer0 MK1 wrote: Move damage mods to low slots, armor reppers to high. Combine regulators and rechargers (overall faster shield regen). Increase regulators from 10/20/25 to 15/25/35. Keep them in the low slots, done and done. I completely agree switching damage mods and armor reppers would create armor vs shield balance STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado
Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 906	Posted - 2014.01.13 17:50:00 - [24] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Badly or the base shields regen delay time on caldari suits seeds to be slightly reduced. ...or undo HP buff for plates, there's too many Logis that have massive Armor (even Caldari). Uprising 1.7 - TANKDOMINATION!!1!!1! LOL Commando LOL Plasma Cannon
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 529	Posted - 2014.01.13 17:55:00 - [25] - Quote If any suit needs an inherent shield delay buff, it's the min assault. We have a lower shield ceiling, along with inability to stack armor. Calamari gets the ability to go 573/460-ish, whwreas my minsault can barely go 509/300. Shield recharge amount though is fine. Throw one shield energizer and you're pushing 35, caldari's like 45ish. Under 28db Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14) I have a God, His name is Dakka.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 456	Posted - 2014.01.13 18:35:00 - [26] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: They used to work fine, but the low ttk makes your shields evaporate so rapidly they just arnt worth it over armor in the lows. I run a std scout with roughly 450 HP and doing fine most the times. TTK is not really such a big problem its no one tries to adept and is still rushing head on into firefights trying to strafe the enemy out. Flanking works so much better if you get the first shot you will win most encounters. The HP through armor will melt fast enough and lots of HP through armor means your are slower as well. With this low TTK HP means not that much at all...
Harpyja DUST University Ivy League 1075	Posted - 2014.01.13 18:59:00 - [27] - Quote Shiruba Ryou wrote: And I want an armor based module for my high slots. Look at EVE. There are no armor modules for medium power slots. But there are shield modules in the lows (shield flux coils and power diagnostics improve shield, while capacitor power relays reduce shield recharge). "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 958	Posted - 2014.01.15 16:08:00 - [28] - Quote CCP care to comment on any intentions to even the playing field between shields vs armor? STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado


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