DUST Search - [Request] Move racial role/suit bonuses to suits

Zeylon Rho wrote:

One of the nice things is that it works with or without tiericide.

As an additional bonus, it solves a problem the pilot suits seemed to have:

The largest problem with pilot suits as they were presented before is that they were like most of our dropsuits: the passive bonus from the suit skill applies in full regardless of the suit.

Presumably a "pilot" wants to be a dedicated vehicle jockey, right? What does it matter what the suit stats are then? Once you hit rank 5 and get the full skill bonus, you have no reason to ever step into a proto-model suit, as you can get the same bonuses to your vehicle by wearing the standard suit. Your vehicle is your shield, so the suit models become largely superfluous. Seems a bit backwards.

With bonuses on the suits themselves, they could make the pilot suit an "exception" to the normal passive skill rule by scaling the bonus amounts on the suit tiers. That way, you have to run the proto suit to get the maximum bonus to your vehicle. It seems appropriate for that one scenario because pilots present a unique problem with their vehicle bonuses otherwise.


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Hagintora Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 183	Posted - 2014.02.10 15:15:00 - [1] - Quote I fully support this idea. I'm curious as to what you, and Kagehoshi, think of this in relation to your own.
Hagintora Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 191	Posted - 2014.02.14 08:18:00 - [2] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: One of the nice things is that it works with or without tiericide. As an additional bonus, it solves a problem the pilot suits seemed to have: The largest problem with pilot suits as they were presented before is that they were like most of our dropsuits: the passive bonus from the suit skill applies in full regardless of the suit. Presumably a "pilot" wants to be a dedicated vehicle jockey, right? What does it matter what the suit stats are then? Once you hit rank 5 and get the full skill bonus, you have no reason to ever step into a proto-model suit, as you can get the same bonuses to your vehicle by wearing the standard suit. Your vehicle is your shield, so the suit models become largely superfluous. Seems a bit backwards. With bonuses on the suits themselves, they could make the pilot suit an "exception" to the normal passive skill rule by scaling the bonus amounts on the suit tiers. That way, you have to run the proto suit to get the maximum bonus to your vehicle. It seems appropriate for that one scenario because pilots present a unique problem with their vehicle bonuses otherwise. Actually the problem with the Pilot Suit is that it is redundant. You already skill into vehicles the same way that you skill into Dropsuits, effectively making the vehicle itself a Dropsuit. Adding a Pilot Suit on top of that just doesn't make any sense. Add to that the difficulty that CCP has already faced when trying to balance vehicles, giving them something else that adds more bonuses above and beyond anything that dropsuits can get is just going flood the forums with more "Nerf Vehicle" threads.
Hagintora Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 191	Posted - 2014.02.14 08:49:00 - [3] - Quote You're right of course. Talking about the relevancy of certain suits derails the point of the thread. I apologize. On topic, I was wondering what kind of bonuses you were thinking of for each of the Frames (Light, Medium, Heavy). I was trying I've been playing redefining the skill tree (the link I posted above) but haven't been able to come up with any decent bonuses for the Racial Frames yet. What were you thinking of?
Hagintora Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 192	Posted - 2014.02.14 12:41:00 - [4] - Quote I've never played EVE and I like the OP. It helps give Frame Suits a role on the battlefield, which in turn helps newer players. I'm not sure what you mean by complexity, though. Do you mean complexity for the developers, or the players?