DUST Search - Give each Scout suit a bonus to its racial melee weapon.

Arx Ardashir wrote:

2 bonuses only "forces" a role onto a suit if the bonuses are constrictive. There are plenty of non-restrictive bonuses that don't pigeon-hole people.

Also, before you try making a suit that uses racial knives, you have to think about the knives themselves. What would be the difference between them to make them non-redundant?

The only thing I can think of for another knife is one that straddles the line between the uncharged and charged damages of the nova knives. You won't have to charge it and will do more than an uncharged nova knife, but will never get the damage of the charged knife. That's a trade-off bonus and would make the knife different.

But that's only 1, and two more would have to be thought of. What else is there for a knife, really?

And @ Krom, I appreciate the effort you put into your post, but I won't ever support giving our futuristic soldiers swords and maces(Khumaak in your post). Knives (or knife-like things like ME's Omnitool) will always have a place because of the utility of it. I don't want this to turn into Medieval:Future Warfare.

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Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4436	Posted - 2014.01.12 06:12:00 - [1] - Quote As you can see here, CCP plans to release a knife for each race. That being the case, why not have each Scout suit get a bonus to its faction's knife? Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5486	Posted - 2014.01.12 06:14:00 - [2] - Quote Should really be a different suit type. Brawler maybe? Assassin? Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7997	Posted - 2014.01.12 06:17:00 - [3] - Quote I'd rather have a new light specialization for knives and melee weapons, I want scouts to have more generally useful bonuses instead of all getting bonuses that encourage them all into one narrow path. New light specialization -2 (or 3) sidearm slots -2% sidearm damage per level as role bonus -10% fitting bonus to respective racial knives as racial bonus. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Cooper Eudaemon DUST University Ivy League 46	Posted - 2014.01.12 06:29:00 - [4] - Quote Some of us like to use our scout suits for things other than Nova Knives. Considering that scouts are naturally weak in melee, in fact, some of us have 0 interest in Nova Knives. Bonuses to speed, stealth, shield/armor regen, or accuracy would all be more welcome. Death is a learning experience. I just wish I wasn't such a slow learner. >.<
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4436	Posted - 2014.01.12 06:34:00 - [5] - Quote Cooper Eudaemon wrote: Some of us like to use our scout suits for things other than Nova Knives. Considering that scouts are naturally weak in melee, in fact, some of us have 0 interest in Nova Knives. Bonuses to speed, stealth, shield/armor regen, or accuracy would all be more welcome. But see, this is why we need more than just two bonuses. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 48	Posted - 2014.01.12 06:49:00 - [6] - Quote How about we scrap the 'Pilot" and have a 'Covert Ops' Light frame tied to cloaking and increased melee. Seriously, what is the Pilot suit even going to do?
Cooper Eudaemon DUST University Ivy League 47	Posted - 2014.01.12 06:49:00 - [7] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: But see, this is why we need more than just two bonuses. Now that is an interesting point. If they were to do something like the tiericide that's being tossed around, that might actually work. As an example: Scout Dropsuit Skill: Ability to use Scout dropsuits, bonus to scan profile Gallente Scout Specialisation: Ability to use Gallente Scout dropsuits, bonus to hybrid blaster weapons CQC Proficiency: Bonus to scan range/precision Sniper Proficiency: Bonus to weapon accuracy, damage, or reload time Death is a learning experience. I just wish I wasn't such a slow learner. >.<
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 975	Posted - 2014.01.12 08:46:00 - [8] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: As you can see here, CCP plans to release a knife for each race. That being the case, why not have each Scout suit get a bonus to its faction's knife? I don't want a racial bonus that I dump millions of SP into at proto level to provide me a bonus that I need to be 1 foot away from a merc to use. Some of us don't want to be pigeon holed into a very specific play style... I want bonuses that provide improvements to scout attributes to help me craft my play style to my needs.... Scouts should excel at mobility, awareness, assassination and stealth related SKILLS (not stealth related gimmicks, like the LOL logi cloak that is being bantered around). Bonuses along those lines are fine.... but don't give every suit a bonus to a very specific and situational assassination/brawling style. If scouts have a second racial bonus to extreme CQC racial weaponry, I'm fine with that - but not at the expense of a racial bonus that is useful in a larger number of battlefield situations.
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4437	Posted - 2014.01.12 16:00:00 - [9] - Quote Matticus Monk wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: As you can see here, CCP plans to release a knife for each race. That being the case, why not have each Scout suit get a bonus to its faction's knife? I don't want a racial bonus that I dump millions of SP into at proto level to provide me a bonus that I need to be 1 foot away from a merc to use. Some of us don't want to be pigeon holed into a very specific play style... I want bonuses that provide improvements to scout attributes to help me craft my play style to my needs.... Scouts should excel at mobility, awareness, assassination and stealth related SKILLS (not stealth related gimmicks, like the LOL logi cloak that is being bantered around). Bonuses along those lines are fine.... but don't give every suit a bonus to a very specific and situational assassination/brawling style. If scouts have a second racial bonus to extreme CQC racial weaponry, I'm fine with that - but not at the expense of a racial bonus that is useful in a larger number of battlefield situations. Again, this is why I also said in a reply that this obsession with only having 2 bonuses per suit isn't helping anything. It means that any bonus forces the suit into a very specific role and discourages creative fitting. Should probably make another thread on that topic, honestly... Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 1196	Posted - 2014.01.12 16:58:00 - [10] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: I'd rather have a new light specialization for knives and melee weapons, I want scouts to have more generally useful bonuses instead of all getting bonuses that encourage them all into one narrow path. New light specialization -2 (or 3) sidearm slots -2% sidearm damage per level as role bonus -10% fitting bonus to respective racial knives per level as racial bonus. ^ This. Also, no racial knives. But considering CCP's list of priorities, I doubt we are going to see racial melee weaponry anytime in the near future. Scout Roles: M-Speedy Anarchist \| C-Chaos Weaver \| G-Stealth Recon \| A-Endurance Hunter

Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 377	Posted - 2014.01.12 19:49:00 - [11] - Quote 2 bonuses only "forces" a role onto a suit if the bonuses are constrictive. There are plenty of non-restrictive bonuses that don't pigeon-hole people. Also, before you try making a suit that uses racial knives, you have to think about the knives themselves. What would be the difference between them to make them non-redundant? The only thing I can think of for another knife is one that straddles the line between the uncharged and charged damages of the nova knives. You won't have to charge it and will do more than an uncharged nova knife, but will never get the damage of the charged knife. That's a trade-off bonus and would make the knife different. But that's only 1, and two more would have to be thought of. What else is there for a knife, really? And @ Krom, I appreciate the effort you put into your post, but I won't ever support giving our futuristic soldiers swords and maces(Khumaak in your post). Knives (or knife-like things like ME's Omnitool) will always have a place because of the utility of it. I don't want this to turn into Medieval:Future Warfare. Amarr HAV Speculation
GuyBelowMeSuxs Forty-Nine Fedayeen 13	Posted - 2014.01.12 20:38:00 - [12] - Quote Denn Maell wrote: How about we scrap the 'Pilot" and have a 'Covert Ops' Light frame tied to cloaking and increased melee. Seriously, what is the Pilot suit even going to do? The pilot suit is supposed to give your vehicle better module effects, varying from race to race Dustmerc: GuyBelowMeSuxs 17.2M sp Capsuleer: Newest Guys 870k sp updated: 19/12/2013
Lt Royal Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2436	Posted - 2014.01.12 20:59:00 - [13] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Should really be a different suit type. Brawler maybe? Assassin? Yeh I agree they should have a new racial variety scout suits for this purpose so to not give more bonuses to the scout than is needed. These special suits should be black in colour to resemble a ninja: Amarr - Black & Gold Caldari - Black & Blue Gallente - Black & Green Minmatar - Black & Red Ninja Suit Bonus: +5% to melee and racial knife damage per level Scout Bonus: +2% to kinetic catalyzer module efficacy per level Gÿ£GÿàGÿP Subdreddit Recruitment Video Gÿ£GÿàGÿP
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5590	Posted - 2014.01.12 21:08:00 - [14] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: As you can see here, CCP plans to release a knife for each race. That being the case, why not have each Scout suit get a bonus to its faction's knife? I don't want a knife I want a laser Glaive, Halberd, or maybe even a double handed shock Mace..... Sig wanted......
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5592	Posted - 2014.01.12 21:11:00 - [15] - Quote Arx Ardashir wrote: 2 bonuses only "forces" a role onto a suit if the bonuses are constrictive. There are plenty of non-restrictive bonuses that don't pigeon-hole people. Also, before you try making a suit that uses racial knives, you have to think about the knives themselves. What would be the difference between them to make them non-redundant? The only thing I can think of for another knife is one that straddles the line between the uncharged and charged damages of the nova knives. You won't have to charge it and will do more than an uncharged nova knife, but will never get the damage of the charged knife. That's a trade-off bonus and would make the knife different. But that's only 1, and two more would have to be thought of. What else is there for a knife, really? And @ Krom, I appreciate the effort you put into your post, but I won't ever support giving our futuristic soldiers swords and maces(Khumaak in your post). Knives (or knife-like things like ME's Omnitool) will always have a place because of the utility of it. I don't want this to turn into Medieval:Future Warfare. Why not? You know as well as I Amarrian commanders are likely to carry ceremonial swords and what not, along with honour guard squads. Sig wanted......
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 378	Posted - 2014.01.13 00:01:00 - [16] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Arx Ardashir wrote: And @ Krom, I appreciate the effort you put into your post, but I won't ever support giving our futuristic soldiers swords and maces(Khumaak in your post). Knives (or knife-like things like ME's Omnitool) will always have a place because of the utility of it. I don't want this to turn into Medieval:Future Warfare. Why not? You know as well as I Amarrian commanders are likely to carry ceremonial swords and what not, along with honour guard squads. No doubt, but those are for ceremonial use, not actual use on the battlefield. I'm sure that they'd be able to make due if the need arose, but deploying troops with such would just end up looking like this. Amarr HAV Speculation
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3239	Posted - 2014.01.13 01:36:00 - [17] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: As you can see here, CCP plans to release a knife for each race. That being the case, why not have each Scout suit get a bonus to its faction's knife? I don't want a knife I want a laser Glaive, Halberd, or maybe even a double handed shock Mace..... Too bad. You wanna battle / Aztec's not afraid of you / I could care less about your reputation / Even though it maybe true.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5611	Posted - 2014.01.13 01:36:00 - [18] - Quote Arx Ardashir wrote: True Adamance wrote: Arx Ardashir wrote: And @ Krom, I appreciate the effort you put into your post, but I won't ever support giving our futuristic soldiers swords and maces(Khumaak in your post). Knives (or knife-like things like ME's Omnitool) will always have a place because of the utility of it. I don't want this to turn into Medieval:Future Warfare. Why not? You know as well as I Amarrian commanders are likely to carry ceremonial swords and what not, along with honour guard squads. No doubt, but those are for ceremonial use, not actual use on the battlefield. I'm sure that they'd be able to make due if the need arose, but deploying troops with such would just end up looking like this. Can I atleast have a module for "waving a it around inspirationally" Would give up my equipment slot for that single emote. "Face the enemy as a solid wall. For faith is your armour and through it, the enemy will find no breach" -Askura 10:3
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5611	Posted - 2014.01.13 01:43:00 - [19] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: True Adamance wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: As you can see here, CCP plans to release a knife for each race. That being the case, why not have each Scout suit get a bonus to its faction's knife? I don't want a knife I want a laser Glaive, Halberd, or maybe even a double handed shock Mace..... Too bad. Too bad what? "Face the enemy as a solid wall. For faith is your armour and through it, the enemy will find no breach" -Askura 10:3


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