DUST Search - FW friendly fire, revisited

Mobius Wyvern wrote:

Harpyja wrote:

I think one improvement would be to allow players to shoot back. Say someone deals friendly damage to you, they get flagged for you, which means you can kill them without penalty. However, only you can shoot them back without penalty as they aggressed you and not anyone else. Of course, multiple people can have flags for the same person if they aggressed multiple friendlies.

Basically, this can be harsher system than the simple "punish" feature and can also help targets save themselves from losing valuables.

Now I could actually get behind this one. When you are attacked in high-sec in EVE, you gain Kill Rights against the aggressor that you can use for a certain amount of time after the initial act. The aggressor is only allowed to defend themselves once you attack them, such that repeat actions continue to be punished accordingly.

This would allow that someone could kill you in FW, and you could carry that Kill Right into another match and blap them in a Protosuit from behind as your revenge.

EVEN BETTER!

Make it carry into Pub matches.

Kill a teamate in FW? Now they can hunt you down and TK you in a pub match.

Never steal SGT Funyoun's Jingle Truck... or I will blow you up in it... and eat your protobear soul.

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Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 712	Posted - 2014.01.12 01:02:00 - [1] - Quote Before 1.7 faction warfare started, people were all "nowaydude penalties are way too harsh". However, now that we've played it a while... it seems like in some areas, they are too lenient There is rampant AWOXing going on. We arent given sufficient means to really do enough about it. Yes, I know, people are allowed to do it if they choose, part of the game, etc, etc. However, the target side, should have some means to defend itself against that tactic, too. I propose the following: Since the "punish" button is rarely even noticed... if someone deliberately chooses to use it, there is something seriously wrong going on with the recipient. If a player has been "punished" twice in a match, they should be immediately ejected, and banned for a WEEK. Not the pathetic "until reset". Because some people gleefully and deliberately choose to do that sort of thing right before reset, so effectively they have zero penalty. Please note that I am suggesting this change, only for players who have had the 'punish' option invoked against them by a human. I am NOT suggesting any change to the auto-damage-limit triggered thing at this time.
Harpyja DUST University Ivy League 1067	Posted - 2014.01.12 01:46:00 - [2] - Quote I think one improvement would be to allow players to shoot back. Say someone deals friendly damage to you, they get flagged for you, which means you can kill them without penalty. However, only you can shoot them back without penalty as they aggressed you and not anyone else. Of course, multiple people can have flags for the same person if they aggressed multiple friendlies. Basically, this can be harsher system than the simple "punish" feature and can also help targets save themselves from losing valuables. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 712	Posted - 2014.01.12 01:53:00 - [3] - Quote Harpyja wrote: I think one improvement would be to allow players to shoot back. Say someone deals friendly damage to you, they get flagged for you, which means you can kill them without penalty. However, only you can shoot them back without penalty as they aggressed you and not anyone else. Of course, multiple people can have flags for the same person if they aggressed multiple friendlies. Basically, this can be harsher system than the simple "punish" feature and can also help targets save themselves from losing valuables. I'm not sure how that really is "harsher"; these guys are doing it in starter fits. They lose nothing that way.
Kharga Lum Xeno Labs Security 219	Posted - 2014.01.12 05:00:00 - [4] - Quote Just have the PUNISH button execute the aggressor.
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 47	Posted - 2014.01.12 05:25:00 - [5] - Quote If faction standings meant anything (realistically) then those too should be a serious penalty. I know we're mercenaries so its not uncommon for us to fight for any side we want for any reason, butGÇª A flagging icon for those who TK'd would also be a good thing to have. Especially for those who put a mobile CRU in a dropship and crash the thing into the ground as soon as teammates spawn in them. Like the criminal tags in Eve. Then there is the issue of players who intentionally get team killed to ban players. So many issuesGÇª
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 7815	Posted - 2014.01.12 16:14:00 - [6] - Quote Woah. Let me give you a couple of scenarios: 1) Somebody drops an orbital. It catches a couple of blue dots but completely wipes out the other team. Those two blue dots choose to punish. The strike caller would have done exactly the right thing for the battle - but they would end up banned for a week. 2) Somebody throws a grenade. Someone else decides to stand on it deliberately. This happens twice? Banned for a week. 3) Somebody mines an objective. Someone else stands on it and commits suicide with it. All of these would be ridiculously unfair and these are only a few of the many things that could happen. Level 7 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4437	Posted - 2014.01.12 16:15:00 - [7] - Quote Harpyja wrote: I think one improvement would be to allow players to shoot back. Say someone deals friendly damage to you, they get flagged for you, which means you can kill them without penalty. However, only you can shoot them back without penalty as they aggressed you and not anyone else. Of course, multiple people can have flags for the same person if they aggressed multiple friendlies. Basically, this can be harsher system than the simple "punish" feature and can also help targets save themselves from losing valuables. Now I could actually get behind this one. When you are attacked in high-sec in EVE, you gain Kill Rights against the aggressor that you can use for a certain amount of time after the initial act. The aggressor is only allowed to defend themselves once you attack them, such that repeat actions continue to be punished accordingly. This would allow that someone could kill you in FW, and you could carry that Kill Right into another match and blap them in a Protosuit from behind as your revenge. EVEN BETTER! Make it carry into Pub matches. Kill a teamate in FW? Now they can hunt you down and TK you in a pub match. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 7815	Posted - 2014.01.12 16:16:00 - [8] - Quote Harpyja wrote: I think one improvement would be to allow players to shoot back. Say someone deals friendly damage to you, they get flagged for you, which means you can kill them without penalty. However, only you can shoot them back without penalty as they aggressed you and not anyone else. Of course, multiple people can have flags for the same person if they aggressed multiple friendlies. Basically, this can be harsher system than the simple "punish" feature and can also help targets save themselves from losing valuables. A solid suggestion that would actually help. Presently, even if you get the chance to kill someone TKing you they get to punish you. You are forced to lose at least four suits if someone decides to target you. Level 7 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 714	Posted - 2014.01.12 18:04:00 - [9] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Harpyja wrote: I think one improvement would be to allow players to shoot back. Say someone deals friendly damage to you, they get flagged for you, which means you can kill them without penalty. However, only you can shoot them back without penalty as they aggressed you and not anyone else. Of course, multiple people can have flags for the same person if they aggressed multiple friendlies. Basically, this can be harsher system than the simple "punish" feature and can also help targets save themselves from losing valuables. A solid suggestion that would actually help. Presently, even if you get the chance to kill someone TKing you they get to punish you. You are forced to lose at least four suits if someone decides to target you. it is insufficient. There are lots of examples for this where you are still screwed given Harpyja's suggestion For example, sniper type activities, whether with an actual sniper rifle, or whether the guy is just covering groundspawn with a duvolle or something . You (or someone else) WILL lose those 4 suits. And they'll be back tomorrow. And the day after that. And the day after that....
Hoover Damn Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.01.13 02:08:00 - [10] - Quote The problem is that there's no risk to griefers for the reward they get. If they want to inconvenience me they need to work for it. Rolling a throwaway alt and shooting blues or suiciding repeatedly to undermine a team is not work. There's no skill involved in that whatsoever.

deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 372	Posted - 2014.01.13 02:53:00 - [11] - Quote i suggest having "marks" (for lack of a better word) put against you every ban gets you 1 mark, each mark doubles the severity of each punish, every month(or maybe week or bi weekly) you have 1 mark removed. hurts carreer awoxers but not so much the victims of reverse awoxing (people who jump on to gernades or wear no armor scout suits and catch friendly bullets to punish innocent) Proud Christian one of the most essential parts of eve is left out of dust: freedom, exploration, open-world gameplay.
Admonishment The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 63	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:01:00 - [12] - Quote I had someone shoot me simply because I wasn't using a play-style they for some reason think have the authority to dictate if its useful or not. They would take shots at me the second I was in sight and I was defending an objective from being hacked. I killed them repeated times when they tried to shoot but they would just keep coming back and after the last kill I had to stop...and spend the rest of the match just avoiding random grenades and rounds from them while fighting reds or risk getting kicked. If someone wants to grief their character should be flagged as an enemy after attacking you a certain number of times and you can put them in their place without penalty. You should be allowed to defend yourself when a teammate decides to attack you. Griefers seem to be more protected then the people actually trying to play the game. Level 5 proficiency in throat punching
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 717	Posted - 2014.01.13 05:52:00 - [13] - Quote deepfried salad gilliam wrote: hurts carreer awoxers but not so much the victims of reverse awoxing (people who jump on to gernades or wear no armor scout suits and catch friendly bullets to punish innocent) Speaking of "career awoxers": - it costs nothing to create a new account - bans currently last only 24 hours - you can create a new character every 10 hours, if you delete an old one - The only barrier to entry for FW, is making it through ONE academy battle. (I myself have made it out of academy in one battle. blah) The combination of free characters, with no effective barrier to entry to FW, is also potentially a problem, reguardless of how high the penalties are. Particularly when some people PAY others to awox. Thus literally a "career".
SGTFunyoun THEFIRST Arachnea Phoenix Battalion 52	Posted - 2014.03.09 00:38:00 - [14] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Harpyja wrote: I think one improvement would be to allow players to shoot back. Say someone deals friendly damage to you, they get flagged for you, which means you can kill them without penalty. However, only you can shoot them back without penalty as they aggressed you and not anyone else. Of course, multiple people can have flags for the same person if they aggressed multiple friendlies. Basically, this can be harsher system than the simple "punish" feature and can also help targets save themselves from losing valuables. Now I could actually get behind this one. When you are attacked in high-sec in EVE, you gain Kill Rights against the aggressor that you can use for a certain amount of time after the initial act. The aggressor is only allowed to defend themselves once you attack them, such that repeat actions continue to be punished accordingly. This would allow that someone could kill you in FW, and you could carry that Kill Right into another match and blap them in a Protosuit from behind as your revenge. EVEN BETTER! Make it carry into Pub matches. Kill a teamate in FW? Now they can hunt you down and TK you in a pub match. I am +1 for this idea. Killmails with kill rights need to be implemented into DUST. I am getting so tired of some childish blueberry little punk killing my 350k ADS with his dang tank just because he feels like messing with someone on his team. When a blueberry kills you, you should get a killmail and kill rights that follow that player around for a week, or until you kill him back. There could even be a bounty system put into place too. But no killrights for the other side killing you though... ... otherwise your killmails inbox would get flooded from just one match. Lost two tanks because of some dang blue shooting a blasted plasma cannon at me because the game was glitchy and he couldn't get on. I punished one idiot once... I was jingle trucking (suicide truck bomb) and some douchy blueberry jumps into my truck... with a full load of remote explosives on the front bumper... so I let him have the truck... and blew his face off when the engine block went though his head. Never steal SGT Funyoun's Jingle Truck... or I will blow you up in it... and eat your protobear soul. Never steal SGT Funyoun's Jingle Truck... or I will blow you up in it... and eat your protobear soul.
X7 lion SWAMPERIUM 135	Posted - 2014.03.09 02:55:00 - [15] - Quote if there was insurance for scouts, id be happy i dont play fw because its to easy from some blueberry to troll me & get away with it. I am death incarnate, you will not see me or hear me. You shall only feel the strike of my blade.
Eddard Flint CarpeVisVires 0	Posted - 2014.03.14 03:21:00 - [16] - Quote I think the only way to actually stop this from happening fully is to just remove TKing from FW. I know it's suppose to be more on the edge of your seat matches but it doesn't work, people love to troll on it, and no amount of penalties will stop them from getting their kicks from it. Just stop the TKing and they can't get the kicks from it.
Admonishment The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 154	Posted - 2014.03.16 03:36:00 - [17] - Quote All it really is used for is griefing lol, these people that think they are gonna be the next Awox are just doing petty griefing. When you do the same exact thing every single time at the very start of a round that's all it comes down to. No planning or thought is required, its just shoot the first person that spawns in front of you or mindlessly shoot someone defending/hacking a point. It just gets old after seeing it for the 1000th time. I know what they were originally intending by allowing it but it isn't being used for that reason, which we all figured would happen immediately. I don't always win 1v1 but... when I don't, I cry for nerfs. Stay nerfing my friends.
Chesyre Armundsen Thanes Of Dust 466	Posted - 2014.03.16 07:20:00 - [18] - Quote Frankly i'll still shoot any aggressor on my team without hesitation. If they're griefing myself or a teammate I can handle the penalty for taking them down. Like swatting a dog with a newspaper...a fully automatic newspaper. ^_- Mihi gravato Deus - "Let God lay the burden on me!"


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