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Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2014.01.11 20:57:00 -
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difference from standard to proto
we have
dmg same
accuracy same
clip same
max ammo same
range same
reload same
price 31.48X increase
heat cost 1.11x decrease (the only beneficial difference)
feedback 1.5x increase
pg cost 2x increase
cpu 1.73x increase
so 31 times the price 2 times the pg cost 1.7 times the cpu 1.5 times the feedback (negative traits) and the only beneficial difference inrunning viziam proto laser rifle over standard laser rifle is a 1.11x decrease in heat cost
gg ccp
on top of that the range that this weapon is useful is 84m-54m only
a solution or two
ccp please extend the adv laser rifle optimum range from 84 to 94 and the proto from 84 to 104 to account for the lack of benefit through higher end gear with the laser rifle
or extend the clip from 100 to 125 for adv and 100 to 150 for proto
i would prefer the range buff through higher end gear
Im puerto rican we rage deal with it
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
1498
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Posted - 2014.01.11 21:15:00 -
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If we are awarded some type of SP refund the LR is the one weapon I will fill the entire tree with SP. I love that gun.
The optimal and range need a slight buff or the range needs a good buff. I do think it would be nice to have a point or two on the DPS.
At range with an Amarr suit and mods it is unstoppable. I carry an ELM every once and a while and if I were a better shot I would carry it every chance I get.
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Marc Rime
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Posted - 2014.01.11 21:36:00 -
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Don't forget that the ADS zoom-level is too low, considering its operating range... And the way it suddenly does no damage if the target takes five steps back. |
Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.01.11 21:37:00 -
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It already gets out-dps'd at close range by other weapons.
Just remove the close range damage reduction and it will be fine.
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Marad''er
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
158
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Posted - 2014.01.11 21:39:00 -
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I just went 20/1 in bush vs nyain with it... O.o
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Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3339
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Posted - 2014.01.11 21:53:00 -
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What's a Laser Rifle?
CoD ----->
<----- WoT
Please AR Scrubs and Tank Spammers, go to your respective games. Leave DUST alone!
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Alistair Idario
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2014.01.11 22:00:00 -
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Marad''er wrote:I just went 20/1 in bush vs nyain with it... O.o
Teach me your ways @_@ |
Marad''er
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
161
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Posted - 2014.01.11 22:01:00 -
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Alistair Idario wrote:Marad''er wrote:I just went 20/1 in bush vs nyain with it... O.o Teach me your ways @_@
3 complex dmg mods, amarr assault.
I camped a roof half the match then I went to other side and they started camping roof. I killed em on roof rest of the game
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Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà
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Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic
517
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Posted - 2014.01.11 22:14:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:It already gets out-dps'd at close range by other weapons.
Just remove the close range damage reduction and it will be fine.
I liked it as long distance killer but worthless up close. Kind of like a bizzaro shotgun.
I'd rather increase the optimal and add a bit of range...or just retool the rail rifle.
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
485
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Posted - 2014.01.11 22:51:00 -
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The topic has been brought up many times, which is weird. I mean,the weapon doesn't even exist. It's ghost data that CCP will never fix.
All it needs are better optimals, tiered ranges maybe and ammo per battery differences per tier. Oh, decreased heat build up per tier, same damage feedback power tier (I think that's how the Scrambler Rifle does it), and that's about it. |
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Righteous Rage
BIG BAD W0LVES
41
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Posted - 2014.01.11 22:55:00 -
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Its time. Make it chrome again
"Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam."
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Mortedeamor
1215
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Posted - 2014.01.11 23:28:00 -
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Marad''er wrote:I just went 20/1 in bush vs nyain with it... O.o
**** happens ive killed protocake jr with vs his imperial scrambler my laser fit mono e mono uninterrupted duel i consider him to have one of the highest gun games in dusy ive also run 32/0 today with lr but these are isolated incidents the improvement through tiers with lr is much weaker than it is with any other weapon
Im puerto rican we rage deal with it
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Severance Pay
Krullefor Organization
Minmatar Republic
1002
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Posted - 2014.01.11 23:28:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:difference from standard to proto
we have
dmg same
accuracy same
clip same
max ammo same
range same
reload same
price 31.48X increase
heat cost 1.11x decrease (the only beneficial difference)
feedback 1.5x increase
pg cost 2x increase
cpu 1.73x increase
so 31 times the price 2 times the pg cost 1.7 times the cpu 1.5 times the feedback (negative traits) and the only beneficial difference inrunning viziam proto laser rifle over standard laser rifle is a 1.11x decrease in heat cost
gg ccp
on top of that the range that this weapon is useful is 84m-54m only
a solution or two
ccp please extend the adv laser rifle optimum range from 84 to 94 and the proto from 84 to 104 to account for the lack of benefit through higher end gear with the laser rifle
or extend the clip from 100 to 125 for adv and 100 to 150 for proto
i would prefer the range buff through higher end gear
You just want your laser to be an uber long range liquefier, like it used to me. No dice, nice try, no thanks, not gonna happen. How about this though, ammo usage = 1/2. Balance.
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
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Mortedeamor
1215
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Posted - 2014.01.11 23:36:00 -
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Severance Pay wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:difference from standard to proto
we have
dmg same
accuracy same
clip same
max ammo same
range same
reload same
price 31.48X increase
heat cost 1.11x decrease (the only beneficial difference)
feedback 1.5x increase
pg cost 2x increase
cpu 1.73x increase
so 31 times the price 2 times the pg cost 1.7 times the cpu 1.5 times the feedback (negative traits) and the only beneficial difference inrunning viziam proto laser rifle over standard laser rifle is a 1.11x decrease in heat cost
gg ccp
on top of that the range that this weapon is useful is 84m-54m only
a solution or two
ccp please extend the adv laser rifle optimum range from 84 to 94 and the proto from 84 to 104 to account for the lack of benefit through higher end gear with the laser rifle
or extend the clip from 100 to 125 for adv and 100 to 150 for proto
i would prefer the range buff through higher end gear You just want your laser to be an uber long range liquefier, like it used to me. No dice, nice try, no thanks, not gonna happen. How about this though, ammo usage = 1/2. Balance.
we all know chromosome the lr had 25% to range in the light weapons skill and 22 base dmg no ones asked for that we have merely asked for it to brought to a valid state as it is extinct and clearly over nerfed. you can take you fear mongering and trollolols elsewhere
Im puerto rican we rage deal with it
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
1546
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Posted - 2014.01.11 23:46:00 -
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With the release of 1.7 I knew my lr would become obsolete my proto lr optimal is the standard RR effective "Standard" now just imagine the proto RR. If we were to get a respec I'd say good bye to the Lr and never look back if it were to stay the same.
"The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
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lDocHollidayl
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
434
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Posted - 2014.01.11 23:58:00 -
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It is a relic. It sucks. Prof 4 and 3x damage mods and ARs and rail rifles slaughter you at all ranges. It is fun but there is a reason you only see it 1 outta 200 games. |
Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
4728
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Posted - 2014.01.12 00:15:00 -
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The heat reduction, even if it looks small in proportion, it actually incredibly huge because the Laser Rifle damage over time is an exponential function. So you can't really look at it like "Oh, it's only a 1.11x reduction" because heat reduction and additional damage output is not related one-to-one. With 11% heat reduction, you are able to hold the laser rifle fire that much longer which exponentially results in ridiculously high omega damage (damage at the end of a firing period).
The only thing I can possibly see them adding for the laser rifle as you move up the tiers is an increased ammo pool, because having the reduced heat reduction encourages more pre-heating which consumes a lot of ammo.
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juqa
DUST University
Ivy League
1
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Posted - 2014.01.12 03:51:00 -
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I think a good start for fixing the laser rifle is to increase the range by maybe 10-15m and decrease feedback damage by maybe 25-50. |
Mortedeamor
1215
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Posted - 2014.01.12 12:09:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:The heat reduction, even if it looks small in proportion, it actually incredibly huge because the Laser Rifle damage over time is an exponential function. So you can't really look at it like "Oh, it's only a 1.11x reduction" because heat reduction and additional damage output is not related one-to-one. With 11% heat reduction, you are able to hold the laser rifle fire that much longer which exponentially results in ridiculously high omega damage (damage at the end of a firing period).
The only thing I can possibly see them adding for the laser rifle as you move up the tiers is an increased ammo pool, because having the reduced heat reduction encourages more pre-heating which consumes a lot of ammo.
do you use the lr are you specced into the lr? the different between using the viziam over standard is practically nothing i never ever need that extra maybe 2 seconds of firing time the could drop the heat cost to be exactly the same through all tiers and buff the range and ide still be happy the only positive trait is practically worthless. if i havnt killed you by the time my heat meter is at 75% on any variant of lr then something is wrong with me.
ive never ever run the lr heat to the very last moment just to geta kill..well ive never had to so at least for me the viziam has no positive trait.
as far as the lr itself goes it has to small of an area of effect the op range needs buffed 10-20m they could also scale the dmg although i wouldnt do both at once
Im puerto rican we rage deal with it
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Mortedeamor
1215
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Posted - 2014.01.12 12:11:00 -
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lDocHollidayl wrote:It is a relic. It sucks. Prof 4 and 3x damage mods and ARs and rail rifles slaughter you at all ranges. It is fun but there is a reason you only see it 1 outta 200 games.
and yet people still try and make claims that its fine and the proto is def worth the but load of negative traits there are a few in this thread lr is 10x more extinct than tank ever was its the most underpowered rifle
Im puerto rican we rage deal with it
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Mortedeamor
1215
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Posted - 2014.01.12 12:14:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:With the release of 1.7 I knew my lr would become obsolete my proto lr optimal is the standard RR effective "Standard" now just imagine the proto RR. If we were to get a respec I'd say good bye to the Lr and never look back if it were to stay the same.
but if you wanna be even more realistic we look at rr effective range vs lr
rr works in cqc
lr starts working at 54m away anything closer you do nothing
optimum ranges?
proto rr? ive heard up to 120m i dunno i dont specc fotm
lr 84m anything farther and u do nothing
so 54-84m a total of 34 m where this weapon is viable (personally i think effective is around 64 but aeon amadi disagrees with me)
VS
rr cqc-120m? possible ive been killed at 114m
Im puerto rican we rage deal with it
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Broonfondle Majikthies
Dogs of War Gaming
Zero-Day
707
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Posted - 2014.01.12 12:19:00 -
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I use the ELM and I swear it does more damage faster than the standard LR with the same build on my suit.
Personally I love the LR, its quickly becoming one of my favourite weapons. I love weapons that require more player skill to use.
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Mortedeamor
1215
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Posted - 2014.01.12 12:25:00 -
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Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:I use the ELM and I swear it does more damage faster than the standard LR with the same build on my suit.
Personally I love the LR, its quickly becoming one of my favourite weapons. I love weapons that require more player skill to use.
yes the lr does make you feel good about each and every life you take with it but from my standpoint the difference doesnt make up for the negative traits i have to suffer
Im puerto rican we rage deal with it
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Kierkegaard Soren
Forsaken Immortals
Top Men.
105
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Posted - 2014.01.12 12:37:00 -
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100% accuracy. Ergo, drill a hole through some poor suckers head. Difficult to achieve of course, but that is where it's true strength lies. It hits exactly where you want it to, always. Turn off aim assist mad use the fuckin' Force, Luke.
Amazingly fun weapon.
Dedicated Commando.
So it's a good job KDR doesn't bother me, really.
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Mortedeamor
1216
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Posted - 2014.01.12 12:44:00 -
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Kierkegaard Soren wrote:100% accuracy. Ergo, drill a hole through some poor suckers head. Difficult to achieve of course, but that is where it's true strength lies. It hits exactly where you want it to, always. Turn off aim assist and use the fuckin' Force, Luke.
Amazingly fun weapon.
i will believe lr is a balanced and not up item when i stop seeing amar assault with rr's.
the fact is if it were balanced and fun..then it wouldnt be extinct
Im puerto rican we rage deal with it
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1334
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Posted - 2014.01.12 14:01:00 -
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The Laser Rifle really is my weapon of choice in this game... from the moment that I first held one in Chromosome and saw how beautifully crafted they are, I knew.
I'm just waiting for them to be viable again.
Yours Truly,
Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
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Shadow Archeus
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
222
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Posted - 2014.01.12 14:01:00 -
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Increase zoom and optimal range size to 50-120 do away with the magazine and have it do 18 DMG at adv 19 or 20 at prot |
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