DUST Search - Strengthening the EVE/DUST Link

Aisha Ctarl wrote:

TechMechMeds wrote:

The root cause of my disagreement is that I just don't understand how lowly clones are able to call the shots for capsuleers.

If someone can give me a concrete reason how that would/does make sense then I'll back these ideas but it makes no sense to me in the slightest.

Read this paragraph.

Capsuleers who are interested in the resources at PC planets in M.H. will be able to scan the planets for resources via PI with one change - it will show what resources are where, but it will show what DUST corp is sitting on top of them. The capsuleer could then get in contact with corp leadership and show interest in the resources that they are "squatting" on. Contracts could be drawn up, and agreements made where the DUST corp can obtain those resources for the capsuleers or EVE corp and get a cut of the ISK that the EVE corp generates for their efforts.

DUST Mercs aren't calling the shots per se, there would be contractual agreements between EVE capsuleers and DUST mercs as to how resources will be acquired and distributed between the two entities.

As stated in another above post - EVE Capusleers cannot simply bombard a district that has resources they want without having at least one DUST merc in their corp. With only one DUST merc on the ground, the defending corp will easily defeat the EVE capsuleer plus one DUST merc "army" and would still maintain their rights over that district.

I suggest you reread my posts and I'll clear up anything else you'd like (no malice intended).

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Aisha Ctarl Pradox One Proficiency V. 2815	Posted - 2014.01.11 14:21:00 - [1] - Quote As we move forward in DUST's production, I'd like to see the EVE/DUST link grow stronger. I feel that once EVE players are actually interested in DUST we will see an influx of players due to positive word of mouth. I went about thinking how the EVE/DUST link could be strengthened in a way that really adds immersion, a sci-fi feel, and a way for both EVE and DUST players to benefit from the link. It begins with PC At some point in the future, an update should bring about PC districts generating resources. Those resources are.... Micro Organisms Carbon Compounds Planktic Colonies Non-CS Crystals Ionic Solutions Autotrophs Reactive Gas Noble Gas Suspended Plasma Noble Metals Complex Organisms Base Metals Felsic Magma Heavy Metals Aqueous Liquids Some of you may notice that these are the resources from EVE's Planetary Interaction System. While some capsuleers may still prefer doing PI themselves, I'm sure plenty would be happy to have we DUST mercs gather resources for them. Planets will generate resources that line up with the type of planet it is. For example, you're not going to see Aqueous Liquids on a Lava World. Different PC districts will have different resources under them or near them. Corps will now have the option to scan planets in M.H. for resources just like in PI. This will bring about tactics, planning, and some organized thought to PC. No longer will corps attack corps that they don't like for that sole reason (of course they still could though). For example you can attack AE or Nyain San because you do not like them, but perhaps a scan of the planet shows that the resources that will best benefit your corp's wallet is under Molon Labe's or Pradox One's districts....who do you attack - the one you don't like, or the one that boosts your income? Capsuleers who are interested in the resources at PC planets in M.H. will be able to scan the planets for resources via PI with one change - it will show what resources are where, but it will show what DUST corp is sitting on top of them. The capsuleer could then get in contact with corp leadership and show interest in the resources that they are "squatting" on. Contracts could be drawn up, and agreements made where the DUST corp can obtain those resources for the capsuleers or EVE corp and get a cut of the ISK that the EVE corp generates for their efforts. As PC districts are obtained, corps would then enter a Simcity-esque mode of acquiring those resources at their district. Certain parameters would have to be met before certain items could be placed. For example, you cannot place an Isogen mine if your district does not sit atop or near Isogen - you cannot place transport Maglevs if you do not have another district on the planet, etc etc. Terran Logistics Officers and CEO's would be the ones to place assets. There would be mines, refineries, shipment facilities, warehouses, and the coveted SPACE ELEVATOR. All of these assets will of course cost ISK not only to build, but to maintain. BUT WAIT AISHA, YOU MENTIONED PVE! Well PVE could be built into PC. PC could take place in high sec and low sec. NPC controlled corps would be in high sec. Attacks on these PC districts would not be initiated by other corps, but by drone infestations. An NPC corp member would get a notification that their district is under attack by drones and they must defend it or face the possibility of having an asset damaged. NPC corp PC districts will already have the proper assets placed, so no one person gets to place assets for resource gathering. Players will be able to mine, refine, drive cargo vehicles, or work security. Non NPC Corp PC Attacks can be initiated by other corps vested in PC, EVE Capsuleers (but they MUST have at least 1 DUST merc fighting for them), or drone infestations. An attack cannot be initiated if another is already in effect. For example, an EVE Corp cannot launch an attack from space if a drone infestation is underway, or another DUST corp cannot attack if an EVE corp has already launched one. EVE corps will be able to search for DUST mercs they find viable and issue contracts to them to fight for them, or simply have the merc join their corp. I want it to be very clear that an EVE corp must have at least one soldier on the ground to initiate an attack. Non NPC Corp PVE NPC bots could be hired to be miners, technicians, scientists, cargo movers, etc etc. Players that a part of the corp that own the district could then engage in PVE through mining, refining resources, scanning (on foot) for denser resource deposits, driving cargo vehicles, etc. Players would receive ISK in the manner of a paycheck - the more you do, the more ISK you receive. This will be a break from pubs and another way to generate ISK. To keep things fresh and from feeling too much like Minecraft, drones will be able to attack districts. The NPC's will be able to help you fight, but it is your job as an immortal soldier to be the main force defending your assets and NPC employees from harm. For drones destroyed ,a player will also garner ISK. CONTINUED INTO NEXT POST. Aisha Ctarl for CPM1
Aisha Ctarl Pradox One Proficiency V. 2816	Posted - 2014.01.11 14:29:00 - [2] - Quote Fights over Districts At some point, another DUST corp or EVE corp is going to want what you're selling and sitting on. Not only will battles take place on the ground, but in space as well. To strengthen the immersion factor, a DUST merc will be able to look upwards and see the battle taking place. I'm talking seeing laser bolts, laser beams, flashes simulating explosions, etc etc. Debris from the battle in space would rain onto the district akin to the Caldari Prime event. As ships are popped in space, you will see the wreckage of the ship streaking through the atmosphere - some landing in your district, some being implied as landing elsewhere on the planet. Wreckage and debris falling into your district would initiate something I could a living battlefield. The battlefield would change as time progressed. A once open field may now have the wreckage of a Rifter in it providing some cover. Debris may have struck a smokestack of a refinery and created a bottleneck on the ground. The battlefield would be constantly changing and would never be the same. It would make you feel like you're a part of a major battle - something larger than what we currently play, and keep players on their toes. Aisha Ctarl for CPM1
Aisha Ctarl Pradox One Proficiency V. 2822	Posted - 2014.01.11 16:14:00 - [3] - Quote Another PVE aspect could be gathering materials for construction of the space elevator. Instead of capturing the district it sits on, corps would have to gather materials for its construction and if the SE district is owned, they can begin construction on it. If another Corp takes the district, they can resume construction on the SE, that way you won't have a situation where the SE is never built. The PVE aspect would be gathering the resources with the possibility of drone attacks while the PVE aspect are corps fighting over the SE district. Aisha Ctarl for CPM1
Blaze Ashra Ametat Security Amarr Empire 100	Posted - 2014.01.11 16:18:00 - [4] - Quote I wasn't sure if you were done with it but I love the idea.
Sextus Hardcock 0uter.Heaven 192	Posted - 2014.01.11 16:23:00 - [5] - Quote This isn't the first time an idea like this has come up. In most cases people usually agree it's a good one. It is entirely up to CCP whether or not they will spare the (likely considerable) resources to undertake an expansion like this one.
Aisha Ctarl Pradox One Proficiency V. 2822	Posted - 2014.01.11 16:25:00 - [6] - Quote Blaze Ashra wrote: I wasn't sure if you were done with it but I love the idea. I'm still banging it out honestly but I know it sounds lame, but I actually had a dream about this last night and was like OMG GOTTA TYPE THIS UP Aisha Ctarl for CPM1
Eberk Baldek Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 7	Posted - 2014.01.11 16:30:00 - [7] - Quote Something like that, yea, something like that . . .
Aisha Ctarl Pradox One Proficiency V. 2825	Posted - 2014.01.11 16:55:00 - [8] - Quote I don't know where the little sad face beside my post came from because I totally didn't put it there, but whatever lol. Aisha Ctarl for CPM1
Aisha Ctarl Pradox One Proficiency V. 2857	Posted - 2014.01.15 20:51:00 - [9] - Quote Compounding on the idea that ships popped in orbit will crash into the battlefield or planet, those ships could be salvaged as PVE missions. For example say you're in the middle of a PC battle and an enemy EVE corp's Curse is popped, it could crash into your district or any of the other districts on the planet. That crashed Curse would first crash into the planet in real time (during the battle) and would remain in the district that it randomly crashes into after the battle takes place. Corps knowing that downed EVE ships hold valuable resources could either A - attack the district that the downed ship crashed in to obtain rights to the materials, or B - salvage the wreck if it crashes into their district. While salvaging the ship (PVE) drones may still be active in the ship's drone bay and attack the player keeping PVE missions fresh and fun, not simply salvaging or mining. The salvaged materials could then either be processed to be used for the DUST corps own planet side needs, or sold to potential EVE buyers. Aisha Ctarl for CPM1
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2016	Posted - 2014.01.15 20:52:00 - [10] - Quote You coud also let mercs sabotage PI or fight over PI etc... A-Teams win Battles B-Teams win Campaigns C-Teams win Wars

TechMechMeds Swamp Marines 2114	Posted - 2014.01.15 21:28:00 - [11] - Quote I'm pretty sure that any capsuleer that wants those resources would rather just join a dust corp and get it for free with zero effort. I think the root problem is that we 'mercenaries' own land and the ps3 won't allow us to do anything with it anyway. To put that into perspective, someone requested corp logos on our suits and tanks only the other day, about 6 months ago a ccp dev stated in a pretty much identical thread that logos are actually more of a strain than we realise, too much memory usage to load the individual logos. Us working for eve corps would give a unique feel, the whole owning land carebear rubbish is nothing new and does nothing to set dust apart from X amount of games that have done that kind of thing time and again, the only difference is that this is an fps, we do pubs and fw, so the only difference with pc is that you could potentially be more stressed than regular matches, woop dee fkin doo lol. Capsuleers being able to gain resources is just meh, any semi intelligent xapsuleer would just join a dust corp, accept mercs into their corp or just build a hybrid corp. You are also forgetting that a capsuleer would most likely rather bomb the sht out of said corps planet and take the resources. You are not thinking clearly, we are just sub par human clones with a short life span. No malice either, I'm just saying and its been a long day, I barely read your thread but iv heard that idea repeatedly and it just seems short sighted and does nothing in the long run but give a bit of mediocre fun temporarily. The powers in the wrong hands mate, pc is backwards. Level 2 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
Evolution-7 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 307	Posted - 2014.01.15 21:31:00 - [12] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: . There would be mines, refineries, shipment facilities, warehouses, and the coveted SPACE ELEVATOR. All of these assets will of course cost ISK not only to build, but to maintain. Currently all that would not fit on a single district but when CCP releases the full conquest mode, yes, I would love to see all that on one map. Aside from that, your ideas are awesome and I really, REALLY, hope that this is where dust will be heading. Veteran Pilot "Fight on and fly on to the last drop of blood and the last drop of fuel, to the last beat of the heart."
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines 2114	Posted - 2014.01.15 21:34:00 - [13] - Quote The utmost I believe we should be able to control in pc is invading and holding districts to ransom so you can essentially be a pirate if you want, you'd not own it but all production would stop and the owner would have to hire mercs or use their own from corp to out them. Do you realise how many clones your consciousness would go through to actually build si? Neither do I but I'm guessing a lot. Level 2 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines 2114	Posted - 2014.01.15 21:38:00 - [14] - Quote If you want to play farmville though and stop bring a merc then you could join an eve corp or recruit capsuleers, choice is better, many of us don't want to HAVE to play farmville, a lot of players still relish being a merc. Level 2 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5738	Posted - 2014.01.15 21:41:00 - [15] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: If you want to play farmville though and stop bring a merc then you could join an eve corp or recruit capsuleers, choice is better, many of us don't want to HAVE to play farmville, a lot of players still relish being a merc. Why would you not what to manage the logistical concerns of running and operating privately set up colonies, warehouses, manufactories? I know I would relish running and maintaining corporate holdings on world we claim for ourselves, etc. This is what mercs do, when the fight and take land, they sell it or use it, if they use it they have a business backing them. I doubt modern PMC's are solely focused on one market. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5738	Posted - 2014.01.15 21:42:00 - [16] - Quote ... "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Aisha Ctarl Pradox One Proficiency V. 2860	Posted - 2014.01.15 21:46:00 - [17] - Quote True Adamance wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: If you want to play farmville though and stop bring a merc then you could join an eve corp or recruit capsuleers, choice is better, many of us don't want to HAVE to play farmville, a lot of players still relish being a merc. Why would you not what to manage the logistical concerns of running and operating privately set up colonies, warehouses, manufactories? I know I would relish running and maintaining corporate holdings on world we claim for ourselves, etc. This is what mercs do, when the fight and take land, they sell it or use it, if they use it they have a business backing them. I doubt modern PMC's are solely focused on one market. This is exactly my point. As a DUST merc, you have the opportunity to "build an army" as stated in various trailers. In order to "build an army" you're going to need resources and ISK. I'm not saying that PC will turn into Farmville, but my idea will be an option for those who want something more than just playing FW or pubs and grinding for ISK. Who wouldn't want to take a break, mine some isogen, hop in a forklift to transport that isogen to a truck, fight off some attacking drones, drive that truck to a warehouse, etc etc....it simply brings some variety to the game and breaks the monotony of constant PVP play. You don't HAVE to do it, but the option would be there. Aisha Ctarl for CPM1
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines 2115	Posted - 2014.01.15 21:51:00 - [18] - Quote The root cause of my disagreement is that I just don't understand how lowly clones are able to call the shots for capsuleers. If someone can give me a concrete reason how that would/does make sense then I'll back these ideas but it makes no sense to me in the slightest. Level 2 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
Aisha Ctarl Pradox One Proficiency V. 2869	Posted - 2014.01.15 21:56:00 - [19] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: The root cause of my disagreement is that I just don't understand how lowly clones are able to call the shots for capsuleers. If someone can give me a concrete reason how that would/does make sense then I'll back these ideas but it makes no sense to me in the slightest. Read this paragraph. Capsuleers who are interested in the resources at PC planets in M.H. will be able to scan the planets for resources via PI with one change - it will show what resources are where, but it will show what DUST corp is sitting on top of them. The capsuleer could then get in contact with corp leadership and show interest in the resources that they are "squatting" on. Contracts could be drawn up, and agreements made where the DUST corp can obtain those resources for the capsuleers or EVE corp and get a cut of the ISK that the EVE corp generates for their efforts. DUST Mercs aren't calling the shots per se, there would be contractual agreements between EVE capsuleers and DUST mercs as to how resources will be acquired and distributed between the two entities. As stated in another above post - EVE Capusleers cannot simply bombard a district that has resources they want without having at least one DUST merc in their corp. With only one DUST merc on the ground, the defending corp will easily defeat the EVE capsuleer plus one DUST merc "army" and would still maintain their rights over that district. I suggest you reread my posts and I'll clear up anything else you'd like (no malice intended). Aisha Ctarl for CPM1
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines 2116	Posted - 2014.01.15 21:59:00 - [20] - Quote True Adamance wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: If you want to play farmville though and stop bring a merc then you could join an eve corp or recruit capsuleers, choice is better, many of us don't want to HAVE to play farmville, a lot of players still relish being a merc. Why would you not what to manage the logistical concerns of running and operating privately set up colonies, warehouses, manufactories? I know I would relish running and maintaining corporate holdings on world we claim for ourselves, etc. This is what mercs do, when the fight and take land, they sell it or use it, if they use it they have a business backing them. I doubt modern PMC's are solely focused on one market. Your not wrong and ye it'd be fun but the elephant in the room is that we are just clones, lowly sub par filth walking in the shadows of immortals, fighting our miniature dirt war. Level 2 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.

True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5742	Posted - 2014.01.15 22:02:00 - [21] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: True Adamance wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: If you want to play farmville though and stop bring a merc then you could join an eve corp or recruit capsuleers, choice is better, many of us don't want to HAVE to play farmville, a lot of players still relish being a merc. Why would you not what to manage the logistical concerns of running and operating privately set up colonies, warehouses, manufactories? I know I would relish running and maintaining corporate holdings on world we claim for ourselves, etc. This is what mercs do, when the fight and take land, they sell it or use it, if they use it they have a business backing them. I doubt modern PMC's are solely focused on one market. Your not wrong and ye it'd be fun but the elephant in the room is that we are just clones, lowly sub par filth walking in the shadows of immortals, fighting our miniature dirt war. But we don't have to be. I choose not to be a mercenary so I am not, I fight for one specific faction, I do not receive ISK for it, nor do I shift my alliances. I'm just one man, one immortal soldier in New Eden with some friends in space and a mind to make good money on the ground by establishing and maintaining colonies and forward bases, or research labs, or warehouses and maining depots. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines 2116	Posted - 2014.01.15 22:02:00 - [22] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: The root cause of my disagreement is that I just don't understand how lowly clones are able to call the shots for capsuleers. If someone can give me a concrete reason how that would/does make sense then I'll back these ideas but it makes no sense to me in the slightest. Read this paragraph. Capsuleers who are interested in the resources at PC planets in M.H. will be able to scan the planets for resources via PI with one change - it will show what resources are where, but it will show what DUST corp is sitting on top of them. The capsuleer could then get in contact with corp leadership and show interest in the resources that they are "squatting" on. Contracts could be drawn up, and agreements made where the DUST corp can obtain those resources for the capsuleers or EVE corp and get a cut of the ISK that the EVE corp generates for their efforts. DUST Mercs aren't calling the shots per se, there would be contractual agreements between EVE capsuleers and DUST mercs as to how resources will be acquired and distributed between the two entities. As stated in another above post - EVE Capusleers cannot simply bombard a district that has resources they want without having at least one DUST merc in their corp. With only one DUST merc on the ground, the defending corp will easily defeat the EVE capsuleer plus one DUST merc "army" and would still maintain their rights over that district. I suggest you reread my posts and I'll clear up anything else you'd like (no malice intended). Hmmm, fair enough, it does make sense. Level 2 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
Vell0cet SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 791	Posted - 2014.01.15 22:03:00 - [23] - Quote This is how DUST should do PvE. Quick/Dirty Test Range Idea
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines 2116	Posted - 2014.01.15 22:05:00 - [24] - Quote Either way, although I don't like it, you are still the only person I can see among about 4 others I'd like to join/stay in the CPM. Edit: don't like it as in this idea, not you Level 2 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2018	Posted - 2014.01.16 01:52:00 - [25] - Quote Capsuleers ought to be the ones doing stuff EVE side Ownership and all you know there's an entire Sov system in EVE!, we're the muscle A-Teams win Battles B-Teams win Campaigns C-Teams win Wars
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5766	Posted - 2014.01.16 01:59:00 - [26] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Capsuleers ought to be the ones doing stuff EVE side Ownership and all you know there's an entire Sov system in EVE!, we're the muscle \How do you expect a meta to develop? What are we to fight over? We can't always wait on the whims of EVE pilots who may or may not indulge us with ISK they have in the billion simply because they can. We need a meta that sets us apart from EVE pilots, one that makes us worth being interested in, worth exploiting, worth using, one that puts us on par with them as able to shape the universe of New Eden and be operating as we see fit. If that means that corps who want big money, a real place in EVE, and the power to change things have to put in a little brain power and effort in managing corporate holdings and other such economic stuff as that then brilliant....or tooo damn bad for them in that case. In Dust I never want to see players be rewarded for doing nothing. You should have to work and struggle to achieve things in Dust 514, like that perfect fitting once realised with enough SP, if you want to get the fullest out of it. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2018	Posted - 2014.01.16 02:05:00 - [27] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Killar-12 wrote: Capsuleers ought to be the ones doing stuff EVE side Ownership and all you know there's an entire Sov system in EVE!, we're the muscle \How do you expect a meta to develop? What are we to fight over? We can't always wait on the whims of EVE pilots who may or may not indulge us with ISK they have in the billion simply because they can. We need a meta that sets us apart from EVE pilots, one that makes us worth being interested in, worth exploiting, worth using, one that puts us on par with them as able to shape the universe of New Eden and be operating as we see fit. If that means that corps who want big money, a real place in EVE, and the power to change things have to put in a little brain power and effort in managing corporate holdings and other such economic stuff as that then brilliant....or tooo damn bad for them in that case. In Dust I never want to see players be rewarded for doing nothing. You should have to work and struggle to achieve things in Dust 514, like that perfect fitting once realised with enough SP, if you want to get the fullest out of it. Drama between Mercs and pilots, secret betrayals, let them control some things but give us full control of ground forces, let the TLO be a DUST exclusive role only allow DUST Directors/TLOs to control districts military aspects, let pilots make the ISK. you want as merc should get great power, but you're not a manufaturer or Land-owner you're a Soldier, a Myrmidon. I should be able to make SOME ISK but an EVE Pilot should be able to make more. A-Teams win Battles B-Teams win Campaigns C-Teams win Wars
Minor Treat The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 168	Posted - 2014.01.16 03:35:00 - [28] - Quote i like this post alot! there should be more discussion about PVE and resources to this game because the MMO aspect of the game is still very lacking.
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 33	Posted - 2014.01.16 03:39:00 - [29] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Blaze Ashra wrote: I wasn't sure if you were done with it but I love the idea. I'm still banging it out honestly but I know it sounds lame, but I actually had a dream about this last night and was like OMG GOTTA TYPE THIS UP You dream about DUST? Well I guess that is more healthy than other subject matter I suppose. Was it a nightmare or a good dream haha?
akira 1999 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 7	Posted - 2014.01.16 04:05:00 - [30] - Quote gotta say... no as a eve pilot, i don't want to have to negotiate with some dust corp unless it is to sabotage a enemy corp/alliance within eve... the whole lets make PVE part of PC is not a good idea in any aspect... why?? because it only benefits the corps in dust big enough to control planets... PC is and should always be a part of the faction warfare/sovereignty aspects of eve.. the low sec and null sec parts of eve. PVE should be what it is in EVE.. a nice easy way to make some isk/LP/SP (dust side only on that) to develop a working and functional corporation/alliance method of making isk to pay for upkeep of the corps/alliances. to have a way for individuals and fellow corp mates to make isk in a mostly safe way. to have a way to gain SP and team based experience for tactics and to test out deployment options and PVE is for new pilots to get from the 500K start SP up to an amount that gets them some advanced gear to then move into PVP is also a way for FW people to make ISK so they can actually afford to play FW.. sorry losing a couple hundred thousand isk in a match is not really a great incentive to play FW... some say that with PVE it will kill the PVP side of dust.. hmm for the last 10 years in EVE people have been running the PVE content as a way to fund their PVP. do a couple days of level 4 mission/DED sites etc and you can have enough to fit out 1-10 ships depending on what you fly. also once they have it that people can do PC in low sec and null you will open a whole new aspect to eve where pirates (eve players) can then either contract out or facilitate themselves ganks on the dust mercs on the planets.. that plays into the established higher risk for higher rewards that has kept eve for years. why make whole new systems and benefit a few when PVE will benefit all players in both games if it is kept to the same format that has worked for the last 10 years.



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