DUST Search - A little problem with cloaks maybe? possibly?

Aero Yassavi wrote:

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Aero Yassavi wrote:

Smooth Assassin wrote:

Yeah i agree, i hate the fact that minmatar, galante and caldari heavy has more slot than scouts, i also think scouts should get something that med frames can't use like something only scouts can use because heavies got heavy weapons but scouts are weaker med frames.

I'm hoping they make the the infantry cloak thing a built in module for scouts. If they make it a regular equipment piece like they said they planned to do in some old dev blog, then all we're going to see (EDIT: or won't see

) are invisible logis.

I pretty much called it back in October, with the way CCP stating they want to give logis equipment fitting bonuses and make the cloak an equipment. And sure enough, that is what is happening so far, but of course is still subject to change.

What if the scout bonus to cloak fitting was 15% per level or even 20% per level? And then you increase the default cloak fitting costs accordingly.

Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.

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Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5471	Posted - 2014.01.11 08:27:00 - [1] - Quote Since logis get 25% CPU/PG reductions on equipment in general, which means cloaks too, and scouts get 50% CPU/PG reductions on cloaks.... Add to that the fact that logis have more CPU/PG... The Assault Logi had a metamorphosis into the Predator Logi? Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4707	Posted - 2014.01.11 08:33:00 - [2] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1437378#post1437378 Aero Yassavi wrote: Smooth Assassin wrote: Yeah i agree, i hate the fact that minmatar, galante and caldari heavy has more slot than scouts, i also think scouts should get something that med frames can't use like something only scouts can use because heavies got heavy weapons but scouts are weaker med frames. I'm hoping they make the the infantry cloak thing a built in module for scouts. If they make it a regular equipment piece like they said they planned to do in some old dev blog, then all we're going to see (EDIT: or won't see ) are invisible logis. I pretty much called it back in October, with the way CCP stating they want to give logis equipment fitting bonuses and make the cloak an equipment. And sure enough, that is what is happening so far, but of course is still subject to change. What if the scout bonus to cloak fitting was 15% per level or even 20% per level? And then you increase the default cloak fitting costs accordingly. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5473	Posted - 2014.01.11 08:37:00 - [3] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1437378#post1437378 Aero Yassavi wrote: Smooth Assassin wrote: Yeah i agree, i hate the fact that minmatar, galante and caldari heavy has more slot than scouts, i also think scouts should get something that med frames can't use like something only scouts can use because heavies got heavy weapons but scouts are weaker med frames. I'm hoping they make the the infantry cloak thing a built in module for scouts. If they make it a regular equipment piece like they said they planned to do in some old dev blog, then all we're going to see (EDIT: or won't see ) are invisible logis. I pretty much called it back in October, with the way CCP stating they want to give logis equipment fitting bonuses and make the cloak an equipment. And sure enough, that is what is happening so far, but of course is still subject to change. What if the scout bonus to cloak fitting was 15% per level or even 20% per level? And then you increase the default cloak fitting costs accordingly. I was thinking to divide equipment into different types. Logistics / Scouting / Assault Bonuses would apply only to that specific type. So logis would get a general bonus to logistics, scouts would get general bonuses to scout equipment and assaults would get general bonuses to assault equipment. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4708	Posted - 2014.01.11 08:42:00 - [4] - Quote I was thinking that as well, though my labels were Support, Sabotage, and Recon Support: Repair tool, Nanite Injector, Nanohive, Uplinks Sabotage: Remote Explosives Recon: Active Scanners, Cloak Fields The logi would get a fitting reduction to support tools while the scout gets a fitting reduction towards recon tools, and eventually a third specialization with fitting reductions towards sabotage tools. And of course I am envisioning this with a lot more equipment to really fill out each of the three types. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Rusty Shallows 774	Posted - 2014.01.11 08:43:00 - [5] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: snip The Assault Logi had a metamorphosis into the Predator Logi? In light of the bonus changes and Aasaults/Commandos getting slayer bonuses the Logis are getting an overall nerf. The important question would be are Scouts going to get the necessary love they need without it being tied to a single piece of equipment? Because that which has been revealed so far does not look good. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4708	Posted - 2014.01.11 08:49:00 - [6] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Cat Merc wrote: snip The Assault Logi had a metamorphosis into the Predator Logi? In light of the bonus changes and Aasaults/Commandos getting slayer bonuses the Logis are getting an overall nerf. The important question would be are Scouts going to get the necessary love they need without it being tied to a single piece of equipment? Because that which has been revealed so far does not look good. How are logis getting a nerf? They are getting 25% off the CPU/PG of the equipment, that is going to allow much better logi fits. I believe the more accurate description would be "the slayer logis are getting an overall nerf," which I fully embrace. If you want to be a slayer, pick the Assault or Commando. If you want to have lots of equipment, pick the the Logi. You can't be both a slayer and have lots of equipment. Luckily for all the slayer logis out there, it looks like there will be a respec, so they have a chance to reconsider what they want to spec into. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4279	Posted - 2014.01.11 09:44:00 - [7] - Quote I hope the Logi bonus for equipment becomes a bonus to DEPLOYABLE equipment instead - Scanner and Cloak would therefore not be included. If they change Scanners to use your suit's Scan Precision to determine their effectiveness, then Scouts will end up being the best option for both of those equipment, and even if they don't, Scanners will be equally viable on any suit, instead of being limited to Logis. I'm hoping the equipment fitting bonus comes with a (very small) reduction in PG and CPU on Logi suits, because if that doesn't happen, they can still fit as if they're Assaults using a single equipment slot and pretty heavily buff themselves up as combat suits.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5473	Posted - 2014.01.11 10:06:00 - [8] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Cat Merc wrote: snip The Assault Logi had a metamorphosis into the Predator Logi? In light of the bonus changes and Aasaults/Commandos getting slayer bonuses the Logis are getting an overall nerf. The important question would be are Scouts going to get the necessary love they need without it being tied to a single piece of equipment? Because that which has been revealed so far does not look good. Well, see, if I had to pick between 10% extra damage/ROF, and the ability to be invisible + 3 other equipment, I think I would choose the latter. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 134	Posted - 2014.01.11 10:50:00 - [9] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Since logis get 25% CPU/PG reductions on equipment in general, which means cloaks too, and scouts get 50% CPU/PG reductions on cloaks.... Add to that the fact that logis have more CPU/PG... The Assault Logi had a metamorphosis into the Predator Logi? Great now this cloaking is one more thing that i can't fit on my gallente Assault suit logi wins again. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
Rusty Shallows 779	Posted - 2014.01.11 11:00:00 - [10] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: Cat Merc wrote: snip The Assault Logi had a metamorphosis into the Predator Logi? In light of the bonus changes and Aasaults/Commandos getting slayer bonuses the Logis are getting an overall nerf. The important question would be are Scouts going to get the necessary love they need without it being tied to a single piece of equipment? Because that which has been revealed so far does not look good. How are logis getting a nerf? They are getting 25% off the CPU/PG of the equipment, that is going to allow much better logi fits. snip On a Medic Alt I'm already able to run full support. The Class changes are going to mean a loss of tank. Combine that with a buff on the incoming DPS it will only make it harder doing actual Logi work. That is technically a nerf. My hope is that this is the worst of the consequences. Although the Devs recent history would indicate otherwise. However it is great that this game is finally moving in a direction where there are more suit options that matter. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP

pagl1u M The Rainbow Effect 208	Posted - 2014.01.11 11:02:00 - [11] - Quote According to IWS they are making the cloak really hard to fit except for the scouts. They want to make it so if you are not a scout you ll have to downgrade other modules to fit a cloak.
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 704	Posted - 2014.01.11 11:06:00 - [12] - Quote I'm predicting that logi's will be able to fit a basic cloak with compromise, which is fair enough with how scary the battlefield will get with more killy Assaults and Sentinels wondering around. Also note its much harder, even with the Dampening removal for scouts, to remain hidden - breaking the cloak "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Rusty Shallows 779	Posted - 2014.01.11 11:14:00 - [13] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: Cat Merc wrote: snip The Assault Logi had a metamorphosis into the Predator Logi? In light of the bonus changes and Aasaults/Commandos getting slayer bonuses the Logis are getting an overall nerf. The important question would be are Scouts going to get the necessary love they need without it being tied to a single piece of equipment? Because that which has been revealed so far does not look good. Well, see, if I had to pick between 10% extra damage/ROF, and the ability to be invisible + 3 other equipment, I think I would choose the latter. Isn't the point to have options so long as it fits in the sandbox mentality? Assaults are also getting tanking skills on top of their larger Hit-Point Totals. Even with that I would probably go Winmater Logi too because equipment is way more fun than raw slayer. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 766	Posted - 2014.01.11 11:22:00 - [14] - Quote Scouts will probably be the only suits using it for offense as they have the speed necessary for using, i have core upgrades 4, pg expansion 5, cpu expansion 5, complex kinetic catylizers, and enhanced stamina mods(forgot what theyre called) on a caldari logi or caldari assault, and i can tell you the 2 complex catylizers and stamina mod that turn a suit into a speed tank takes up WAAY too much PG for something like a really high pg & cpu cost cloak, because by the time your done equipping speed mods you'll only have 400-500 shield(w/ ADV weapon, non RR or ScR). Considering a cloak costing 20-30 PG(random guess), You'lll only have room for like 300 or maybe 350 shields, which means you'd be better off using a scout for higher stamina. Even the logis 25% PG/CPU reduction would be 5 or 6 PG off so you'd still only have like 400 shield at best. Again, this is w/ level 5 core skills on a caldari logi, w/ speed skills. Thats alot of SP, not something like FOTM. That all being said i can see logis or assaults using it for defense, as in retreating. Also brick tanking w/ it doesn't seem viable, but we don't know how effective its gonna be so.. Either way, if cloaks last too long, or are completely invisible instead of a predator/crysis sillouhette(that how u spell that? oh well) then they WILL be OP til you use the duvolle focused scanner. That's "MR." Pothead to you.
Faquira Bleuetta 0uter.Heaven 154	Posted - 2014.01.11 11:22:00 - [15] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Since logis get 25% CPU/PG reductions on equipment in general, which means cloaks too, and scouts get 50% CPU/PG reductions on cloaks.... Add to that the fact that logis have more CPU/PG... The Assault Logi had a metamorphosis into the Predator Logi? Predator logis i like that term but predator dont kill with RR ,CR,and scr.
Faquira Bleuetta 0uter.Heaven 154	Posted - 2014.01.11 11:23:00 - [16] - Quote scout should have 75 % CPU/PG reductions
Zelorian Dexter snr Nex Miles Militis 154	Posted - 2014.01.11 11:53:00 - [17] - Quote Omg I hope so cloaked galogi with 900 armour
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 705	Posted - 2014.01.11 12:24:00 - [18] - Quote Zelorian Dexter snr wrote: Omg I hope so cloaked galogi with 900 armour Which will be picked up on every Adv scanner out there - rendering it useless "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5478	Posted - 2014.01.11 13:09:00 - [19] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Zelorian Dexter snr wrote: Omg I hope so cloaked galogi with 900 armour Which will be picked up on every Adv scanner out there - rendering it useless OR he can give up ONE plate and put on a single complex profile damp. Hidden to everything but proto scanners. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos


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